THE POPE MUST DIE!

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THE POPE MUST DIE!


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created Mon Sep 18, 06

A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London yesterday that the Pope should face execution.

Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be "subject to capital punishment".

His remarks came during a protest outside Westminster Cathedral on a day that worldwide anger among Muslim hardliners towards Pope Benedict XVI appeared to deepen.

The pontiff yesterday apologised for causing offence during a lecture last week. Quoting a medieval emperor, his words were taken to mean that he called the prophet Mohammed "evil and inhuman".

He insisted he was "deeply sorry" but his humbling words did not go far enough to silence all his critics or quell the violence and anger he has triggered.

A nun was shot dead in Somalia by Islamic gunmen and churches came under attack in Palestine.

Choudary's appeal for the death of Pope Benedict was the second time he has been linked with apparent incitement to murder within a year.

The 39-year-old lawyer organised demonstrations against the publication of cartoons of Mohammed in February in Denmark. Protesters carried placards declaring "Behead Those Who Insult Islam".

Yesterday he said: "The Muslims take their religion very seriously and non-Muslims must appreciate that and that must also understand that there may be serious consequences if you insult Islam and the prophet.

"Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment."

He added: "I am here have a peaceful demonstration. But there may be people in Italy or other parts of the world who would carry that out.

"I think that warning needs to be understood by all people who want to insult Islam and want to insult the prophet of Islam."

As well as placards attacking the Pope such as "Pope go to Hell", his followers outside the country's principal Roman Catholic church also waved slogans aimed at offending the sentiments of Christians such as "Jesus is the slave of Allah".

A Scotland Yard spokesman said of his comments: "We have had no complaints about this. There were around 100 people at the demonstration. It passed off peacefully and there were no arrests."

Larger Islamic groups in Britain said they accepted the Pope's apology. Inayat Bunglawala of the Muslim Council of Britain said: "The Vatican has moved quickly to deal with the hurt and we accept that.

"It was something that should never have happened - words of that nature were always likely to cause dismay - and we believe some of the Pope's advisers may have been at fault over his speech."

Yesterday's sermon by the Pope was the first time a pontiff has publicly said sorry.

He said he regretted Muslim reaction to his speech and stressed that the quotation did not reflect his personal opinion. Anger and violence - including attacks on seven churches in the West Bank and Gaza - have characterised one of the biggest international crises involving the Vatican in decades.

The Pope appeared determined to move quickly to try to defuse the anger but the fury of many radicals was unabated last night and there were fears for his safety.

Iraqi jihadists issued a video of a scimitar slicing a cross in two, intercut with images of Benedict and the burning Twin Towers.

The website run in the name of the Mujahedeen Army, used by extremist groups who have claimed responsibility for attacks in Iraq, was addressed to "You dog of Rome" and threatened to "shake your thrones and break your crosses in your home".

In a reference to suicide bombing, it said: "We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life."

The threat of violence against Catholics and Christians was emphasised by the murder of an Italian nun in Somalia. Sister Leonella, 66, was shot as she walked from the children's hospital where she worked to her house in Mogadishu, a city recently taken over by an Islamic government.

A Vatican spokesman said he feared her death was "the fruit of violence and irrationality arising from the current situation".

Father Frederico Lombardi said he hoped it was an isolated event. "We are worried about this wave of hatred and hope it doesn't have any grave consequences for the Church around the world," he said.

The murder suggested that extremists are determined to use the Pope's embarrassment as an excuse for violence.

In Turkey, state minister Mehmet Aydin said the Pope seemed to be saying he was sorry for the outrage but not necessarily for his remarks.

"You either have to say this, 'I'm sorry' in a proper way or not say it at all," he told reporters in Istanbul.

There were fierce denunciations of the pontiff from Iran. The English-language Tehran Times called his lecture in Bavaria last week "code words for a new crusade".

The powerful cleric Ahmad Khatami told theological students in the holy city of Qom: The "Pope should fall on his knees in front of a senior Muslim cleric and try to understand Islam."

But the Turkish government signalled it was content and that the Pope's visit to the country in November can go ahead.

In his sermon yesterday at the Papal summer residence of Castel Gandolfo outside Rome, Benedict spoke amid strengthened security.

He said: "I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims.

"These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought. I hope this serves to appease hearts and to clarify the true meaning of my address."

No other Pope is thought to have made such an apology.

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What do you think? A reasonable, rational response that disproves the allegations made about Islam, or an irrational response that just works to prove critics of Islam right?

Rational response, trully a religion of peace
Irrational, not a religion of peace
Some were irrational (like weenie neocons); some were reasonable, just like people in all groups
Predictable response by radical people


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COMMENTS:
And in light of this, what do you think the odds are of some impressonable adherent to the religion of peace trying to assasinate the pope?

If they wanted a holy war that's a good way to do it. But unlike last time the modern crusaders aren't going to be turned back. There is no saladin to bail them out this time. And while they still ride camels and play with swords the wests military technology has improved somewhate from then.
by herzog on Mon Sep 18, 06 6:55pm [+]

^Wooooo, BIG TALK. I'll bet that comment has got the Muslim world shaking in its boots. rolleyes

(herzie ballot category: Muslim Bashing)

MAG_afro
by cranky on Mon Sep 18, 06 7:40pm [+]

do something with your life cranky. rolleyes IC_zzz
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Mon Sep 18, 06 7:41pm [+]

Huh.

herzie didn't bash the U.N. today. I wonder if something is wrong.

MAG_afro
by cranky on Mon Sep 18, 06 7:42pm [+]

Suuuuuuuck it up, Fiddle.

MAG_afro
by cranky on Mon Sep 18, 06 7:43pm [+]

Voted : Irrational, not a religion of peace
It is odd, we are told it is a "religion of peace", but whenever someone even slightly offends them, riots ensue, beheadings are called for AND the mysteriously hidden moderates are no where to be seen.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Mon Sep 18, 06 7:43pm [+]

Voted : Irrational, not a religion of peace
Irrational and extreme. Those who react this way over something as simple as words, only prove the image many people have of Islam. That is Islam's fault, in that if the few react in such an irrational manner, it gives all a bad name. Likewise, that is the case in all religions, in that a few can damage the image of all.

I would have opted for choice # 3 on this ballot, but that unnecessary detractive comment about Neocons just ruins the choice.
by Beauregard on Mon Sep 18, 06 7:47pm [+]

Cranky, how can you say that this is muslim bashing? Name one thing Herzog wrote that's not true. Are you afraid of the truth? Can you handle the truth?
by Bostonian on Mon Sep 18, 06 7:51pm [+]

It's refreshing to see how far we've come in the last 1,300 years.
This is all part of Abraham's friend's 'cosmic gag reel'.
by Applerod on Mon Sep 18, 06 10:08pm [+]

"A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London yesterday that the Pope should face execution."


And why should we care what he says? Is he a spokesman for all Muslims?

Killing the Pope is a bit much but dismantling the Catholic Church would be nothing but a positive move.

Come on - lets's join together for a truly wonderful purpose: the total and utter destruction of all religions in the world. Catholics first.
by wideheadofknowledge on Mon Sep 18, 06 10:53pm [+]

I get the feeling that some elements of both the Islamic and Christian communites want a world religious war. It is probably the only way they can fulfill their religious prophecies, bring on the apocalypse, and even if that doesn't work, it will, at a minimum, give these religious bodies more press and importance.
Pretty sick stuff.
by margaret123 on Mon Sep 18, 06 11:12pm [+]

Voted : Predictable response by radical people
Poor radical people. My heart goes out to them. It must be hard being so sensitive about something that you cannot even consider, let alone accept, the slightest criticism.

Oh wait, I forgot, I hate radical people! They should all die! Slowly and in the worst possible way! Grrr I want to see some blood! *rolls eyes*
by SonOfPrometheus on Mon Sep 18, 06 11:13pm [+]

"Grrr I want to see some blood!"

That sounds radical to me....
by wideheadofknowledge on Mon Sep 18, 06 11:53pm [+]

Cranky, how can you say that this is muslim bashing? Name one thing Herzog wrote that's not true. Are you afraid of the truth? Can you handle the truth?
by Bostonian

I have to agree. Alot of the stuff he (Herzog) posts you will never see on the main stream media. We whine and complain about the media only telling us what they want us to hear, yet we attack a ballot maker when he reports what they leave out.

Like Beauregard, I'd have voted for the third choice too. But it was just a little too childish for my taste. I grew out of comments like that years and years ago.
by Grumpy_Person on Tue Sep 19, 06 5:08am [+]

And we should not be insuleted or outraged that they killed a nun. Just another excuse for their bad behavior.
by hurricane on Tue Sep 19, 06 6:02am [+]

But unlike last time the modern crusaders aren't going to be turned back. by herzog on Mon Sep 18, 06 6:55pm

Out with the old Crusaders and in with the new Crusaders eh Herzog!

Actually Crankeys correct. A slip of the tongue Herzog or your true feelings about Muslims as a whole?
by isay on Tue Sep 19, 06 6:03am [+]

Cranky roots for the terrorist.
by hurricane on Tue Sep 19, 06 6:03am [+]

(sigh) Yet another ballot that starts with "A notorious Muslim extremist ..." and ends with "What do you think? A reasonable, rational response that disproves the allegations made about Islam, or an irrational response that just works to prove critics of Islam right?"

We get it ... you don't like Muslims. Obsessive- Compulsive Disorder is treatable, these days.
by Cathexis on Tue Sep 19, 06 7:45am [+]

Voted : Predictable response by radical people
Those Danish cartoons were right on the money.
by jj60sn on Tue Sep 19, 06 7:57am [+]

Who cares if he doesnt like Muslims. It's no different than those who say the same and report the bad news about Christians and Jews. Where's the uproar there?
by Grumpy_Person on Tue Sep 19, 06 8:17am [+]

ANKARA (Reuters) - Employees of the state body that organizes Muslim worship in Turkey asked the authorities on Tuesday to open legal proceedings against Pope Benedict and to arrest him when he visits the country in November.

Muslims worldwide have been angered by remarks the Pope made in a lecture last week that they said portrayed Islam as a religion tainted by violence and irrationality.

Benedict has said he is deeply sorry Muslims have been offended by his use of a medieval quotation on Islam and holy war, but has stopped short of retracting his comments.

Employees of Ankara's Directorate General for Religious Affairs, or Diyanet, presented a petition to the Justice Ministry asking it to launch a probe into the Pope's remarks and to detain him when he arrives, the Anatolian news agency said.



They said the Pontiff had violated Turkish laws upholding freedom of belief and thought by "insulting" Islam and the Prophet Mohammad.

The protesters held banners that read "Either apologize or don't come".

It is not uncommon for individuals or organizations in Turkey to seek legal action against world leaders whose actions they disapprove of. They have never succeeded.

Benedict is due to pay an official visit to Turkey on November 28-30, his first to a Muslim country since he became Pope.


^ Could they be any more ridiculous?
by Beauregard on Tue Sep 19, 06 8:26am [+]

Voted : Irrational, not a religion of peace
Clearly.
by Black_Lava on Tue Sep 19, 06 9:44am [+]

And why should we care what he says? Is he a spokesman for all Muslims?

Well, where are the moderate Muslims speaking out against this?
by aya on Tue Sep 19, 06 11:02am [+]

And widehead, people should care, because it's an incitment to violence. Remember the July bombings? That dumbass who did was incited by teachings of hatred. The same could happen again
by aya on Tue Sep 19, 06 11:04am [+]

Cath: and I expect you will address ballots about bush in the same manner? I think at this point we get where everyone stands on bush, most hate him, some insanely so. So the next ballot about bush that is negative you will likely give the user a stern lecture about how they are being obsessive compulsive and we get it already?

No, of course not. You engage in quite a few double standards, this being merely one of them.

This story is true, you can't argue the facts. And if you feel like it you can post all the resounding criticism of this guy and others like him, including the muslims out there burning down churches and killing nuns, from prominent muslim leaders. Don't be surprised if you can't find any, neither could anyone else.

In fact, you're acting nothing like the cathexis I used to know. You show up on my ballots, enter a few lines of text that are a personal attack on me, never address the question, then leave. Except for the leaving part you're exactly like some of my more annoying stalkers, albeit more coherent.

Do you really want to be like those people? Honestly, look at your comments on my ballots, have any in the last few weeks addressed the topic or were they all attacks direct at me?
by herzog on Tue Sep 19, 06 11:36am [+]

Herzog, the point is that "notorious extremists" are not well known for their "reasonable, rational" responses.

Do we condemn all Christians because Hitler was one? No, of course we don't - it would be wrong to take examples of "extremists" and try to use them as indicators of majority behaviour.
by wideheadofknowledge on Tue Sep 19, 06 11:13pm [+]

Widehead: hitler rarely claimed to be acting in christs name. And whenever he is mentioned there is a round of condemnation. I have yet to hear any significant condemnation of this, and other extremists, comments. There was that one guy in indonesia and that is it.

At some point a failure to condemn the actions of your community amounts to tacit approval.
by herzog on Wed Sep 20, 06 2:50pm [+]






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