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[+] serious ballot by Applerod
created Tue Sep 19, 06

Every day, X number of people are exploded over there. We know the civilian body count is rapidly approaching 50,000. How is it possible for people in America to tolerate this kind of human suffering? How many suicide bombings would have to happen in AMERICA before something drastic occurred?

Pretend it's not happening
Suicide bombings are an abstract concept
Suicide bombings are so common that people are numb to them
We're 8,000 miles away
All of the above
It's necessary in order to establish a democracy
It's part of the War on Terror
It's not our fault
Other

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COMMENTS:
(Question is: How is it possible to tolerate suicide bombings?)
by Applerod on Tue Sep 19, 06 10:09am [+]

Its tragic. But I'm not sure I get your point. How can we stop suicide bombers?
by Beauregard on Tue Sep 19, 06 10:14am [+]

Voted : It's not our fault
If you decide to be a "suicide bomber", that is YOUR choice. No one MAKES you do this. Saying it is the responsibility of someone else or the blame is on someone else is utterly wrong and bogus. It is similar to a murderer saying "society made me do it". It is BS.

You have responsibility for your own actions and responses. If someone's wife is driving the husband crazy, does he have a right to beat her? HARDLY. Same kind of logic as with blaming the US, UK or anyone else for the decision of someone to become a suicide bomber.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Tue Sep 19, 06 10:18am [+]

It's easy if you can avoid empathy. The best way is for 'Us' to think of them as 'Them.'
by Cathexis on Tue Sep 19, 06 11:22am [+]

My point with the ballot is more of an abstract one. It's about conscience.
It's true, we cannot stop the violence over there with the resources we have; and I'm not just talking about our military resources. I'm referring to our political assets, or lack thereof. From a more concrete standpoint, we need a different administration.
- Not that a different administration would swoop in and resolve the situation, but our current administration has had their shot, and they've failed. Maybe if more people were horrified by what was going on we would remove the President and his cabinet from office instead of waiting 15 months+ for our dynamite political system to run its course.

The country most directly responsible for what is happening in Iraq is the United States. Of course, it would be unreasonable to indict the entire country for the actions of individuals blowing themselves up in the country we are occupying. But to deny our role in the big picture here is not helpful for anyone. I use the word "occupying" because part of the root of the problem of terrorism against the West--and particularly America--is that we are viewed by many in the Middle East as occupiers.

And now, I'm making a larger point. It would be nice if there was a single cause of terrorism. We wouldn't have to think as hard and we would eventually fool ourselves into believing such a thing. PART of the problem, and one that was germinating for a good decade prior to 2001, is our (military) presence in the Middle East.
We befoul islam by occupying regions that contain very important holy sites (e.g. Saudi Arabia). Our alliance with governments such as these is a puppeteer-puppet relationship. All governments directly allied with us are as bad as us. We are the cause of most conflicts around the world.
--> Bin Laden declared as much in his '98 fatwa.

In order to counteract terrorism properly, we cannot afford to ignore these kinds of sentiments. This doesn't mean I'm advocating some blind policy of appeasement. All it means is that it is things like Iraq that tip more people into favoring terrorism against all of the West.
We can't go back in time with regards to Iraq, but I do believe there is a way of--at the very least--not making things even worse than they already are (in the big picture).
by Applerod on Tue Sep 19, 06 11:24am [+]

Voted : Other
IMO, two, three tops, before things start rolling. Why we're not acting on this? I don't know. I didn't elect anybody who's involved in this morass, and theose responsible are studiously ignoring my letters and e-mails.
by Truthseeker013 on Tue Sep 19, 06 12:16pm [+]

If you decide to be a "suicide bomber", that is YOUR choice. No one MAKES you do this. (So who made Israel destroy Lebanon?)

Saying it is the responsibility of someone else or the blame is on someone else is utterly wrong and bogus. (Is that true, then when Israel destroyed Lebannon?)

It is similar to a murderer saying "society made me do it". It is BS. (Also BS for when Israel destroyed Lebanon?)

You have responsibility for your own actions and responses. (How about Israel destroying Lebanon?)

If someone's wife is driving the husband crazy, does he have a right to beat her? HARDLY. (But Israel has the right to destroy Lebanon?)

Same kind of logic as with blaming the US, UK or anyone else for the decision of someone to become a suicide bomber. (But Israel had the right to blame someone else for MAKING IT destroy Lebanon?)

Oh, that's right, it was Hezbollah that MADE Isreal destroy Lebanon.
by cranky on Tue Sep 19, 06 12:18pm [+]

THe best analogy I can put on this is to quote the works of Douglas Adams. In the Hitchhiker Trilogy, he had a spaceship that was powered by a revolutionary piece of technology called an SEP field.

Somebody Else's Problem field...
by Truthseeker013 on Tue Sep 19, 06 12:19pm [+]

Voted : Other
While I agree with your implicit premise that our invasion of Iraq opened the wounds of sectarian violence, I do not agree that the suicides are our fault. The removal of Saddam Hussein (the dictatorial glue that held Iraq's religious groups together) made this violence possible, I hold the people who brainwash and send these bombers out to die accountable. Not the USA or its allies.
by margaret123 on Tue Sep 19, 06 12:41pm [+]

Better them than us; right, Truth?

Marg, I think we're pretty much on the same page if you check out my comment.
by Applerod on Tue Sep 19, 06 4:29pm [+]

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