VILLAGE ELDERS ORDER TRIAL BY BOILING OIL

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VILLAGE ELDERS ORDER TRIAL BY BOILING OIL


[+] serious ballot by herzog
created Wed Sep 20, 06

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - The leaders of a village in the Indian state of Rajasthan ordered 150 men to dip their hands into boiling oil to prove their innocence after food was stolen from a local school, a newspaper reported Sunday.

In late August the school's principal informed police that rice and wheat had disappeared but no action was taken, the Sunday Express said.

The council, or panchayat, of Ranpur village, 340 km (210 miles) south of state capital Jaipur, then decided to take the law into its own hands.

After 10 days spent trying to identify those responsible, it issued what the paper called the "medieval diktat."

The 150 men from Ranpur and two neighboring hamlets were told to pick a copper ring from a cauldron of boiling oil. The council elders then announced that the 50 who refused the order must be behind the crime. Many are now nursing their burns.

"We would have been ostracized had we refused. Out of fear all of us agreed. This is not the first time this has been done," said one 45-year-old man. He has now testified against the elders, who have been arrested.

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I know I know, it's reuters. But I see no reason for them to lie on this occasion as muslims and/or the US/Israel is not involved. SO let's take it at face value.

Do you think this is a valid cultural tradition that should be embraced in the name of multi-culturalism? Or is it a barbaric act that should be scorned?

We should embrace their culture
This is barbaric
Neither


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COMMENTS:
Mr. Herzog: Where on earth do you dig up this stuff? lol. Yes, it's barbaric, and you know it. You do love to cite the exception as though it proved a rule. Quite amusing.
by margaret123 on Wed Sep 20, 06 4:03pm [+]

He's a news anchor these days, only he types in the one keyword Muslims.
by isay on Wed Sep 20, 06 4:14pm [+]

Well, they aren't Muslims.. just barbarians.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Wed Sep 20, 06 4:17pm [+]

There are times I read your ballots and want to dip your hands in boiling water. Does that make me a bad person?
by TomSmith on Wed Sep 20, 06 4:52pm [+]

i'm kidding. I wouldn't want to dip your hands in boiling water. Its your nuts I'd like to dip in boiling water Does that make me a pervert?
by TomSmith on Wed Sep 20, 06 4:54pm [+]

Isay, these aren't muslims.
by herzog on Wed Sep 20, 06 5:17pm [+]

Hindu or Sihks? where does it say what they are?
by isay on Wed Sep 20, 06 5:23pm [+]

You know I was kidding right Herzog?
by TomSmith on Wed Sep 20, 06 5:24pm [+]

Voted : This is barbaric
But it's also *their culture*, like it or lump it. There are a great many things about our culture I consider barbaric, but have no choice but to accept at face value. Paris Hilton, rap/hip-hop music andgolf, for example. I'm not being facetious or looking for a rimshot. I think these things are hallmarks of the downfall of civilization, and a much greater danger to society. But these are just the non-sensical ravings of a lunatic mind. Feel free to ignore them.
by Truthseeker013 on Wed Sep 20, 06 5:45pm [+]

Isay: it doesn't. They're just indian, so probably hindu. But it most definitely does not lable them as muslims. So saying I posted this because I'm out to get muslims is absurd.

Unless of course you're saying all barbaric acts such as these are carried out by muslims? If so I'd have to disagree, many are, but there are plenty of other types of barbarians out there as well.

Tom, yes I know you're kidding.
by herzog on Wed Sep 20, 06 8:30pm [+]

That's THEIR business, isn't it?
by Applerod on Wed Sep 20, 06 10:58pm [+]

Also, how is this a "cultural tradition"?
by Applerod on Wed Sep 20, 06 11:03pm [+]

I know I know, it's reuters. But I see no reason for them to lie on this occasion as muslims.

And you just had to bring the word Muslims in to the question, whats the next ballot going be about Muslims, French, Or a swipe at Europeans as a whole?
by isay on Thu Sep 21, 06 4:22am [+]

Well, we all know it is either all or nothing ... we either have to accept everything or reject everything. rolleyes
by Cathexis on Thu Sep 21, 06 7:06am [+]

Voted : This is barbaric
It unacceptably violates individual rights.

I am not denouncing it in an attempt to snob foreigners. If anything I am declaring that it is these foreigners themselves that deserve better, they do not deserve to be treated so unfairly. Hopefully, things will evolve of themselves to improve. If the Indian government wants to prove its commitment to human rights, the right to a fair trial, etc - it should attempt to put an end to this sort of cruelty.
by xxxxxxxx on Thu Sep 21, 06 7:42am [+]

Herzog, lynching was routinely practiced in the American South.

"The actual process of lynching was morbid and incredibly violent. Lynching does not necessarily mean hanging. It often included humiliation, torture, burning, dismemberment and castration. Victims were beaten and whipped, many times in front of large crowds that sometimes numbered in the thousands. Coal tar was frequently used to douse the unfortunate victim prior to setting him afire."

This practice was condoned by the South as a valid cultural tradition.

by elvislennon on Thu Sep 21, 06 8:14am [+]

elvislennon- but you are speaking in past tense. The circumstances in India are more contemporary.
by xxxxxxxx on Thu Sep 21, 06 9:42am [+]

U.S. Supreme Court Justice William Brennan once offered the following description of an execution by electric chair:

...the prisoner's eyeballs sometimes pop out and rest on cheeks. The prisoner often defecates, urinates, and vomits blood and drool. The body turns bright red as its temperature rises, and the prisoner's flesh swells and his skin stretches to the point of breaking. Sometimes the prisoner catches fire....Witnesses hear a loud and sustained sound like bacon frying, and the sickly sweet smell of burning flesh permeates the chamber. (Ecenbarger, 1994)
by Applerod on Thu Sep 21, 06 12:46pm [+]

EL: no it wasn't. I was condoned by a few, but either way it is not tolerated now and is very illegal. Europeans used to burn witches and jews, but we can hardly hold that against modern europeans now can we?
by herzog on Thu Sep 21, 06 3:42pm [+]

Isay: I brought muslims (and the US and Israel, but you forgot that bit) in to it because reuters has a history of lying whenever those groups are involved. So far they haven't photoshopped, misled, or outright lied to make hindus/indians look bad, so I don't think they have any particular axe to grind here, so perhaps they aren't lying. But you concede now that they aren't muslims so your original comment was, I'll be generous, misguided?
by herzog on Thu Sep 21, 06 3:44pm [+]

According to steel this ancient cultural practice is venerable and better than our own due to it's age and we have no right to criticize it.
by herzog on Sat Sep 23, 06 8:24am [+]






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