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COMMENTS:
John Lennon said it best: "Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace ..."
Voted : Good vs Evil framing is too prone to abuse and/or not a constructive framing
At the end of the day, it all depends on who's feeding you your propaganda.
Nation/Group vs Nation/Group doesn't work because it assumes lack of reason for conflict, reasons such as defending one's territory, property or peoples. Other word choices could have been made for 'Good' and 'Evil', such as 'innocent' and 'guilty', I suppose.
BL: I disagree. Nation vs nation, etc. does not imply lack of reason -- it merely accurately identifies the players. Look at the Commonlaw legal system -- Plaitiff v Defendent. Does that imply lack of reason? I suggest No.
I disagree with you.
US and UK vs. Nazi Germany. Good vs. Evil? Yes US and Allies versus terrorists and terrorism, good vs. evil? Yes. I really can't believe you are implying that a war against terrorists isn't a war between good and evil. Terrorists... who wantonly and purposely kill innocent civilians with no other goal whatsoever than to terrorise the population aren't evil? Al Qaeda isn't evil? It isn't a vile organization? Umm I think I would go with the US, UK and their allies as good. Of course, you can play semantics and make it into some politically correct way to frame it. Apparently, it isn't clear enough to you the enemy we face. It isn't a chess match cathexis.
The problem with these simplistic Good vs. Evil arguments is that evil men, like George W. Bush, try to paint themselves as icons of good, as a way of justifying their evil acts, which they purport to do in the name of good. It's inane to suggest that the world is so black and white that nations are "good" or "evil" and judgement can be passed on everything they are based on that single overarching assessment. If that's the case, then I guess some people would call Israel "Super Good."
Why are liberals so afraid of absolutes?
Bost: Because real life rarely provides 'absolute' situations?
If Bin Laden isnt evil then my friends what the hell is? This mass murdering enslaver of women wants your female loved one to be used as breeding machines without the benefits of an education or a life of liberty. Any person who takes up arms against such scum if fine by me. Yes, sometimes there are absolutes.
B&W.com is the anonymous board for those who wear blinders and want to hear themselves rant and rave. They donot want the truth; merely they want to screech the same old tired cliches that they and their little friends satisfy each other with. Don't ever expect an original thought from them.
{}If Bin Laden isnt evil then ... by SoldierBlue on Sat Sep 23, 06 4:13am} who cares about Osama bin Laden really? G W Bush doesn't. He said so, remember. The FBI doesn't care either. No hard evidence linking Osama bin Laden to 9/11, and they are NOT after him. Besides, Osama bin Laden is long DEAD, and has been since he died on the 16th December 2001.
Black Lava, if you don't like it, you can always leave. Nobody's forcing you to stay.
Voted : Good vs Evil framing is too prone to abuse and/or not a constructive framing
Only children and the ignorant see things in terms of Good and evil.We live in the real world and as such sometimes we have to deal with so called evil people inorder to promote the better good of this nation.
Sorry Corrupt I have to disagree. Some things are evil. Here is a list. Charles Manson Date rapists Gang rapists Assholes who mutilate young girls in the name of religion Assholes who blow randomly blow up civilians. I dunno, its a short list but its off the top of my head. With respect can you argue that any of the above are not evil? Do you still think absolutes are childish?
BOSTONIAN!! I have stated over and over again that I love, respect and know how fortunate I am to live in USA. How dare you suggest that I leave. As for B&W.com, I am here until I am not. If nothing else, it is my daily amusement at stupid comments made by even stupider people. Why are you here?
Yes SoldierBlue those individual acts are evil for lack of a better word but I don't think you can run a nation based on a black and white view of the world.You and I both know that Bush makes deals with devils on a daily basis because it protects national security.He's just grand standing and if he was really sincern about this good and evil nonsense he would cut all ties with the despots in Saudi Arabia,Pakistan and China.
Lava, lighten up. I wasn't talking about leaving the country. I was talking about B&W.
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