A CONFRONTATION BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL?

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A CONFRONTATION BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL?


[+] serious ballot by Cathexis
ACTIVE Fri Sep 22, 06 - Wed May 14, 08

During a 1-1/2 hour Oval Office conversation regarding his War on Terrorism, George W Bush asserted 'A lot of people in America see this as a confrontation between Good and Evil, including me.'

A confrontation between Good and Evil ... ponder the implications of that framing, for a while.

Should 'Good' ever compromise with those who oppose them?' Would they ever find a way to co-exist? Or should those who oppos ethem be eradicated, wherever they are found? Is anyone who opposes Good, by definition, evil? Is everything Good does, by definition, good? Can Good ever 'win' while those who oppose it continue to exist?

Ballot Question: On a realistic and rational level, should a Nation (especially its leaders) look at military conflicts as Good vs Evil, rather than Nation/Group vs Nation/Group?

Good vs Evil should be the preferred framing for violent conflicts
Good vs Evil is a possible framing, but not applicable for most conflicts
Good vs Evil framing is too prone to abuse and/or not a constructive framing
It is proper.


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COMMENTS:
John Lennon said it best:

"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace ..."
by margaret123 on Fri Sep 22, 06 12:34pm [+]

Voted : Good vs Evil framing is too prone to abuse and/or not a constructive framing
At the end of the day, it all depends on who's feeding you your propaganda.
by Truthseeker013 on Fri Sep 22, 06 12:42pm [+]

Nation/Group vs Nation/Group doesn't work because it assumes lack of reason for conflict, reasons such as defending one's territory, property or peoples.
Other word choices could have been made for 'Good' and 'Evil', such as 'innocent' and 'guilty', I suppose.
by Black_Lava on Fri Sep 22, 06 12:51pm [+]

BL: I disagree. Nation vs nation, etc. does not imply lack of reason -- it merely accurately identifies the players. Look at the Commonlaw legal system -- Plaitiff v Defendent. Does that imply lack of reason? I suggest No.
by Cathexis on Fri Sep 22, 06 12:56pm [+]

I disagree with you.
by Black_Lava on Fri Sep 22, 06 12:59pm [+]

US and UK vs. Nazi Germany. Good vs. Evil? Yes

US and Allies versus terrorists and terrorism, good vs. evil? Yes.

I really can't believe you are implying that a war against terrorists isn't a war between good and evil.

Terrorists... who wantonly and purposely kill innocent civilians with no other goal whatsoever than to terrorise the population aren't evil? Al Qaeda isn't evil? It isn't a vile organization?

Umm I think I would go with the US, UK and their allies as good.

Of course, you can play semantics and make it into some politically correct way to frame it. Apparently, it isn't clear enough to you the enemy we face. It isn't a chess match cathexis.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Fri Sep 22, 06 1:59pm [+]

The problem with these simplistic Good vs. Evil arguments is that evil men, like George W. Bush, try to paint themselves as icons of good, as a way of justifying their evil acts, which they purport to do in the name of good.

It's inane to suggest that the world is so black and white that nations are "good" or "evil" and judgement can be passed on everything they are based on that single overarching assessment. If that's the case, then I guess some people would call Israel "Super Good."
by cranky on Fri Sep 22, 06 2:16pm [+]

Why are liberals so afraid of absolutes?
by Bostonian on Fri Sep 22, 06 7:16pm [+]

Bost: Because real life rarely provides 'absolute' situations?
by Cathexis on Fri Sep 22, 06 9:20pm [+]

If Bin Laden isnt evil then my friends what the hell is? This mass murdering enslaver of women wants your female loved one to be used as breeding machines without the benefits of an education or a life of liberty. Any person who takes up arms against such scum if fine by me. Yes, sometimes there are absolutes.
by SoldierBlue on Sat Sep 23, 06 4:13am [+]

B&W.com is the anonymous board for those who wear blinders and want to hear themselves rant and rave. They donot want the truth; merely they want to screech the same old tired cliches that they and their little friends satisfy each other with. Don't ever expect an original thought from them.
by Black_Lava on Sat Sep 23, 06 4:56am [+]

{}If Bin Laden isnt evil then ...
by SoldierBlue on Sat Sep 23, 06 4:13am}

who cares about Osama bin Laden really?

G W Bush doesn't. He said so, remember.

The FBI doesn't care either. No hard evidence linking Osama bin Laden to 9/11, and they are NOT after him.

Besides, Osama bin Laden is long DEAD, and has been since he died on the 16th December 2001.
by Lovelynice on Sat Sep 23, 06 9:07am [+]

Black Lava, if you don't like it, you can always leave. Nobody's forcing you to stay.
by Bostonian on Sat Sep 23, 06 1:33pm [+]

Voted : Good vs Evil framing is too prone to abuse and/or not a constructive framing
Only children and the ignorant see things in terms of Good and evil.We live in the real world and as such sometimes we have to deal with so called evil people inorder to promote the better good of this nation.
by Corrupt on Sun Sep 24, 06 8:47am [+]

Sorry Corrupt I have to disagree. Some things are evil. Here is a list.

Charles Manson
Date rapists
Gang rapists
Assholes who mutilate young girls in the name of religion
Assholes who blow randomly blow up civilians.

I dunno, its a short list but its off the top of my head. With respect can you argue that any of the above are not evil? Do you still think absolutes are childish?
by SoldierBlue on Sun Sep 24, 06 8:53am [+]

BOSTONIAN!! I have stated over and over again that I love, respect and know how fortunate I am to live in USA.
How dare you suggest that I leave.
As for B&W.com, I am here until I am not. If nothing else, it is my daily amusement at stupid comments made by even stupider people. Why are you here?
by Black_Lava on Sun Sep 24, 06 9:12am [+]

Yes SoldierBlue those individual acts are evil for lack of a better word but I don't think you can run a nation based on a black and white view of the world.You and I both know that Bush makes deals with devils on a daily basis because it protects national security.He's just grand standing and if he was really sincern about this good and evil nonsense he would cut all ties with the despots in Saudi Arabia,Pakistan and China.
by Corrupt on Sun Sep 24, 06 4:09pm [+]

Lava, lighten up. I wasn't talking about leaving the country. I was talking about B&W.
by Bostonian on Sun Sep 24, 06 7:56pm [+]






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