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ARE WE CREATING MORE TERRORISTS THAN WE ARE KILLING ?

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ARE WE CREATING MORE TERRORISTS THAN WE ARE KILLING ?


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created Mon Sep 25, 06

This question is right from today's headlines claiming the intelligience reports released today suggesting this very scenerio. It is being tweaked by the White House to make it the case there were as many terrorists BEFORE 9-11 or The Iraq/Afghanistan wars...so the question is, are we "winning" this war or are we making this situation worse by our actions in that part of the world. And if we are making it worse, is our endeavor a self perpetuating reason to continue to do what we are doing?

Yes, we are creating more terrorists
No, we are ridding the world of terrorists
Yes, we are exacerbating the problem
No, we are spreading Democracy


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COMMENTS:
We may not be "creating" them, but we certainly are spreading lots of fertilizer around.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Mon Sep 25, 06 4:37pm [+]

Voted : Yes, we are exacerbating the problem
For every action there is and equal and opoosite reaction.
by Steelhamster on Mon Sep 25, 06 4:46pm [+]

Voted : No, we are ridding the world of terrorists
Its media hyperbole.

Look at it this way. Its like the genius of the sculpture artist that has created the remarkable statue from a massive block of granite. The great artist explains that the statue was actually always there, and that he has merely uncovered it from its hiding, to expose it to the world.
by Jinn_the_Kafir on Mon Sep 25, 06 5:32pm [+]

Voted : Yes, we are creating more terrorists
Of course we are. We responded to terrorism with weapons of war and we have acted very unlike the principles we supposedly live by. You don't end terrorism with guns and bombs, you end it by cutting off the reasons that turn people into terrorists. And yes, it is possible to halt terrorism through peaceful means. Give it some thought and you'll see it is easier to do that than to "kill them" because for every one you kill, 2 more are willing to take their place. And so on and so on and so on.
by Beauregard on Mon Sep 25, 06 6:27pm [+]

Jinn, you're aware of Vietnam, right? For every road we blew up, there were countless poor North Vietnamese to make a new one. That new road may not have been a nice paved road we in the west are used to, but it worked. For every tunnel we destroyed there were even more poor North Vietnamese there to dig a new one.

Look at the Cold War. We out spent the Soviets. Their economy was a shambles and their system collapsed. Now look at whats happening. For every terrorist we get, there are 2 more to take their place and they are actually getting us to spend money we cannot afford to spend. So which side is playing it cool, and which side is charging ahead like a cowboy? A rogue cowboy that is.
by Beauregard on Mon Sep 25, 06 6:31pm [+]

Voted : Yes, we are creating more terrorists
This argument took place long before the war, even here on B&W, if you surf some old ballots you'll see...
by MO_ on Mon Sep 25, 06 6:35pm [+]

** karma **
by Bostonian on Mon Sep 25, 06 6:46pm [+]

Voted : Yes, we are creating more terrorists
This is a trick question, right? I'll bet that, to paraphrase the Bard, we wish that we had but one ten thousand of the al Qaeda operatives who do no work at home in Pakistan this day.
by Truthseeker013 on Mon Sep 25, 06 7:00pm [+]

Voted : Yes, we are creating more terrorists
Considering that to Bush, anyone who disagrees with him is a terrorist, yes.
by cranky on Mon Sep 25, 06 7:02pm [+]

Bostonian what is your freaking problem? Do you follow me around snarking at my comments for fun, or is it out of some sickness? Use your brain and recognize there is a world of difference between Nazis Germany and the terrorist organizations of today. The fact that I have to point that out to you speaks to your lack of intelligence, doesn't it?

Would you like me to point out the differences? So go join up in the military and go kill terrorists big man.
by Beauregard on Mon Sep 25, 06 7:16pm [+]

So Bostonian, why don't you take up this challenge. Discuss for us the what precipitated Hitler's rise to power? Then, dissect for us the vast differences between a uniformed standing military, vs. a non-traditional military comprised mostly of very poor and illiterate citizens of a very poor country. Then explain, using military strategy and tactics, the polar opposite difference between fighting an axis of 3 nations (Germany, Japan and Italy) in a world war, with fighting an unseen enemy who is quite often, just a regular person who has taken up arms and is hell-bent on spreading terror through small arms, home-made weapons, suicide bombing etc.

Then use that your intelligence, if you can, to draw parallels between the Korean war and the Vietnam war with WWI, WWII and the current war on terror.

We're eagerly awaiting your well-thought out response. You know, since you feel you know more than the military experts and statesmen of today who are clearly telling us that you cannot fight a war on terrorism in the traditional sense of fighting a war. Get to it man!
by Beauregard on Mon Sep 25, 06 7:27pm [+]

Beauregard, don't flatter yourself. I wasn't even addressing you, you moron. And it's so typical of the left to shut out opposing views. Chicken!
by Bostonian on Mon Sep 25, 06 7:27pm [+]

Yeah, you were addressing me, moron. You've used your tactic with my comments, and those of others, before.

And what do you know about my political leanings? Nothing. For all you know, I'm a Republican. Jumping to conclusions just makes you look like an idiot. You clearly know nothing about true politics, because if you did, you'd know that being Left or Right has nothing to do with the ballot issue, does it? No. But guys like you, who think being a Republican makes you somehow cool, virile and strong, are the ones that answer important questions along what you THINK the party line should be. Thats why the true Republican laugh and the idiotic mindless Neocons who act like the Brown shirts and not like thinking human beings. (you do know what the Brown shirts are, right? ;)

And if you're weren't addressing my comments Einstein, why would you say I was trying to shut out opposing views? Didn't think that one through did you?

But oh, I see. You make some snarking comment only about my comment and I'm the one trying to shut out opposing views? Hardly. You're not too clear on what hypocricy is, are you?

So lets see who's the chicken. We're all waiting for you to take on the challenge I posed to you. Can you?

Next time think before you write a comment and maybe you'll avoid making yourself look bad.
by Beauregard on Mon Sep 25, 06 8:04pm [+]

Beauregard, read your own comments again and see how angry you are. Take a deep breath. Relax. Everything's gonna be ok.
by Bostonian on Mon Sep 25, 06 8:21pm [+]

^ Angry? Not at all. Read your comment again and see how absurd you're looking right now. I think maybe its you who should take it easy. You seem very bitter and in a rage. Calm down.

Maybe in the future you should read before you comment. And for the record, I'm not angry in the slightest. I'm just embarrassed for you. ;)
by Beauregard on Mon Sep 25, 06 8:26pm [+]

What do you mean we?! Bush is your embarrassment!
by xxxxxxxx on Tue Sep 26, 06 12:35am [+]

no ...Again have we been attacked in over 5 years..thats because bush has taken the fight to the terrorist. He did not sit back and do nothing.
by hurricane on Tue Sep 26, 06 7:52am [+]

Voted : Yes, we are exacerbating the problem
easiest question Ever
by Jyl on Tue Sep 26, 06 8:13am [+]

If terrorist attacks are on the increase, it is because the "enemy" has stepped up its offensive as they feel they are losing, and thus they are becoming desperate to win a any cost. People seem to forget that this is a war. Wars have two opposing sides, each with plans, tactics and strategies to win. Wars can take a long time to win, and should not be measured by day to day progress. The terrorists are many, because their belief and their cause is followed by so many, not only inside Iraq but oustide too.

In Iraq, it is not the Coalition forces that "creates" terrorists. These terrorists were already created by an ideology of hate. An ideology that teaches them that infidels must never be allowed to triumph over Muslims. This is no longer a political war. The enemy is not the communist Viet Cong nor communist North Korea. The Nazis had their superior beliefs in race and a their nation. The terrorist enemy in Iraq is promoted by a religious belief that its followers strongly believe is supeior to all others. They do not represent any political party, nor any state or nation. Ask yourself, who are the terrorists representing? Who are the terrorists killing for?

When the coalition forces invaded Afghanistan and then Iraq, we were told that the problem with these countries was the absence of democracy. The lack of democracy alone, so the justification went, was why these states were rogue states, why they harboured terrorism and threatened the peace of the world. Because the problem was deemed clearcut, the solution must be equally so: remove the dictators, establish democracy, and the problem will simply resolve itself. But the reality is democracy cannot be imposed on Muslisms, and certainly not by infidels. Islam despises infidels. The Quran says that infidels are filthy, are like dogs and pigs. So is it any wonder that this conflict rages?

Muslims cannot tolerate views resistant or in opposition to their own. This became clear to the non-Muslim world with the recent cartoon up roar. Almost overnight, millions of Muslims worldwide rioted in Islamic as well as Western countries. They burned embassies, desecrated and destroyed churches, killed innocent people, all because a Danish newspaper published a few cartoons depicting their prophet Muhammad. We have seen this again with the recent remarks by the Pope.

Fundamentally, Muslims will never assimilate with the west, just as they cannot accept, nor can they live by the tenets of what is and must constitute a true, living democracy. For to do so would mean they would essentially have to relinquish their faith, to compromise for something abhorrent, nor allowed under Islam.

Quran 4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers.

Quran 8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

Quran 9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

And why are he terrorists in Iraq killing the innocent Iraqi people?

Quran 9:38 O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.

Quran 48:16 Say unto those of the wandering Arabs who were left behind: Ye will be called against a folk of mighty prowess, to fight them until they surrender; and if ye obey, Allah will give you a fair reward; but if ye turn away as ye did turn away before, He will punish you with a painful doom.

Quran has created terrorists, not the Coalition Forces. The Coalition is fighting a war for humanity that they cannot afford to lose nor give up on. A victory for the terrorists would be a world disaster for civilization. The Islamic terrorists are now desperate because they are failing in their plan to destroy the effort of the infidels. However their plan is to continue killing more innocent Iraqis and Coalition forces in order to exploit the weakness of the infidels, weak stomachs, fear and regret, and until they can create great divisions are among the people of the west so that the infidels will be forced to withdraw, thus giving victory to Islam.
by Jinn_the_Kafir on Tue Sep 26, 06 12:20pm [+]

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