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The physical evidence is irrelevant to YOU and your fellow denialists Narrow Mind of Ignorance, the fact is that what physical evidence there is is overwhelming, eyewitness evidence is overwhelming, audio witness is overwhelming and seismic evidence is overwhelming.
Most of the physical/forensic evidence was sent off abroad ILLEGALLY to be recycled instead of being examined so as to find out why the three biggest steel framed buildings in history all collapsed spontaneously at free fall speed into their own footprint, with hundreds of audio witness accounts from firemen and police of explosions and bombs detonating in the minutes leading up to their destruction, eyewitness accounts of flashes and explosions going off in sequence as the buildings collapsed - including all those tell tale demolition cutter charge squibs going off all over the buildings, some of them prematurely tens of floors below the collapse/demolition point.
Have to stop in mid pyroclastic flow here folks or I'll be late for work, be back in about ten hours to counter this insult to the memories of the victims of 9/11 ballot who were murdered by 'American' false flag terrorists for their own psychopathic globalist greed and war motivated agenda, their prayed for 'New Pearl Harbour' that they so wanted to happen that they MADE it happen.
Be back later folks.
^LOL
Voted : They are not concerned with evidence, reality or truth.
They have nothing, and simply parrot LooseChange and PrisonPlanet - Proven liars.
1,"evidence was sent off abroad ILLEGALLY to be recycled instead of being examined"
Complete rubbish
There was 1.62 billion pounds worth of WTC debris, all of which was meticulously searched and sorted. As many as 1000 workers from 28 city, state and federal agencies processed 7000 tons of rubble daily at Fresh Kills Yard. The last truckload of rubble arrived on June 28th 2002. In addition to over 19,000 human remains. leading to 1215 identifications, 4000 personal photographs, $78,318.47 in domestic and foreign currency, 54,000 personal items such I.D cards and driving licenses were found.
How do you find 19,000 peices of bone anf flesh without searching everything thoroughly?
2,"all collapsed spontaneously at free fall speed...into their own footprint"
Firstly anyone who has seen the footage can see the debris falling hundreds of feet below the point of collapse.
Secondly, anyone who has seen the damage to the surrounding building was know that they didn't land in their own footprint.
3,"accounts from firemen and police of explosions and bombs detonating"
Almost all of which are either similes, misquotes, or simply people hearing other things, or just the collapse itself.
If thousands of tons of a burning building were to collapse onto the floor below, then steel columns will fail, there will be a loud boom (or perhaps several), debris will fly out, flames will be pushed into the air. How are witnesses going to describe this, without using words like "explosion"
There are pictures all over the internet of hundreds of burning vehicles, there were maintenance/electrical floors throughout the building - probably burning.
And then there are the usual misquotes.
Example - Firefighter Dominick Derubbio
Quoted by 911review as saying
"It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion ..."
However the actual quote reads
"It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other."
Example - Firefighter Albert Turi
Quoted by 911review as saying
"And as my eyes traveled up the building, and I was looking at the south tower, somewhere about halfway up, my initial reaction was there was a secondary explosion, and the entire floor area, a ring right around the building blew out."
However the actual quote reads
"And as my eyes traveled up the building, and I was looking at the south tower,somewhere about halfway up, my initial reaction was there was a secondary explosion, and the entire floor area, a ring right around the building blew out. i later realized that the building had started to collapse already and this was the ai:r being compressed and that is the floor that let go."
PLENTY MORE WHERE THOSE CAME FROM.
4,"tell tale demolition cutter charge squibs going off...some of them prematurely tens of floors below the collapse/demolition point."
Its quite easy to research this one. All of the "squibs" are located around maintenance floors which sit at the bottom of various elevator shafts.
Other than those, everything else is clearly just the building collapsing.
Strange isn't it, that the buildings started collapsing on the exact same areas where the planes hit?
"the fact is that what physical evidence there is is overwhelming"
And what would that be then, Ken?
Just asking for another example.
I mean it's not as if you have any DNA identified victims, plane wreckage or flight recorders to back up ANY of your claims is it?
Come on - what physical evidence do you have - we're dying to know.
"their prayed for 'New Pearl Harbour' that they so wanted to happen that they MADE it happen."
Ken obviously hasn't read all of his PNAC sources.
the Project for a New American Century has absolutely NO connection with 9-11 OR the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. His cherry picked information is WAY out of context and, as it happens, totally irrelevant.
"three biggest steel framed buildings in history all collapsed spontaneously"
No, they collapsed because airliners hit two of them and debris the other AND there were subsequent fires.
"Have to stop in mid pyroclastic flow here folks"
Very apt - your words are a choking, burning smokescreen.
Voted : They are not concerned with evidence, reality or truth.
oooh ooh teacher! I know the answer!!
Because there isn't any physical evidence!!
(ballot cut and paste overload)
(wisehead and others are called "SHILLS")
" Most of the physical/forensic evidence was sent off abroad ILLEGALLY"
Actually, that isn't true and you would know it if you got your head out of Alex Jones's ass. They have parts of the plane wreckage and they used forensic techniques to identify the bodies (from what shreds remained (mostly used from the Pentagon attack)
"cherry picked information is WAY out of context"
That is all they do.
A lot of people say they got an anal probe from ET or are pregnant with ET's baby  but an utter and complete lack of evidence doesn't stop them from telling their stories 
Only a Moronic Idiot fails to see the evidence of airplanes slamming into buildings. But, then, these same MI deny other proven (over and over again) events.
MI should give it up.
I think that a lot of these theories are just an intentional smokescreen to put focus on "how" the buildings fell instead of "who" was responsible.
There are too many convenient coincidences not to be skeptical of some of the reports.
And come on. Who came up with that hologram theory?
well, according to legal experts that I've checked with, there is far more than enough evidence for convictions - but you won't be knowing about that side of things for awhile.
{all of which was meticulously searched and sorted...
by wolf_nipple_chips on Wed Sep 27, 06 3:37am}
No, just claimed as MIRACULOUSLY searched and sorted.
Most of the most vital evidence THE STEEL was gotten rid off, and recycled before ANY ANALYSIS OF IT COULD BE DONE.
Everyone is quite aware of this. Including YOU.
Destruction and Cover-Up of Evidence
While the steel was being removed from the site of the three largest and most mysterious structural failures in history, even the team FEMA had assembled to investigate the failures -- the Building Performance Assessment Team (BPAT) -- was denied access to the evidence. 1 The Science Committee of the House of Representatives later identified several aspects of the FEMA-controlled operation that prevented the conduct of an adquate investigation: 2
The BPAT did not control the steel. "The lack of authority of investigators to impound pieces of steel for investigation before they were recycled led to the loss of important pieces of evidence."
FEMA required BPAT members to sign confidentiality agreements that "frustrated the efforts of independent researchers to understand the collapse."
The BPAT was not granted access to "pertinent building documents."
"The BPAT team does not plan, nor does it have sufficient funding, to fully analyze the structural data it collected to determine the reasons for the collapse of the WTC buildings."
According to FEMA, more than 350,000 tons of steel were extracted from Ground Zero and barged or trucked to salvage yards where it was cut up for recycling. Four salvage yards were contracted to process the steel.
# Hugo Nue Schnitzer at Fresh Kills (FK) Landfill, Staten Island, NJ
# Hugo Nue Schnitzer's Claremont (CM) Terminal in Jersey City, NJ
# Metal Management in Newark (NW), NJ
# Blanford and Co. in Keasbey (KB), NJ
FEMA's BPAT, who wrote the WTC Building Performance Study, were not given access to Ground Zero. Apparently, they were not even allowed to collect steel samples from the salvage yards. According to Appendix D of the Study, "Collection and storage of steel members from the WTC site was not part of the BPS Team efforts sponsored by FEMA and the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE)."
The steel was then quickly sent away to be recycled; going to China and India.
Limited examination of very little of the steel
By the time of Corley's testimony, nearly all of the steel had been recycled. His ASCE volunteers had saved a mere 156 pieces of steel, most of them small "coupons" cut from larger pieces.
and EVERYONE involved in the proper investigation were shocked by this, and angry about it.
On December 25, 2001, the New York Times ran a story about the frustrations of some of the engineers who were called in to study the cause of the collapse: "Interviews with a handful of members of the team, which includes some of the nation's most respected engineers, also uncovered complaints that they had at various times been shackled with BUREACRATIC RESTRICTIIONS THAT PREVENTED THEM FROM INTERVIEWING WITNESSES, EXAMINING THE DISASTER SITE, AND REQUESTING CRUCIAL INFORMATION like recorded distress calls to the police and fire departments."
Bill Manning, editor of the 125 year old Fire Engineering magazine, noticed a strange difference between the WTC investigation and other major fire investigations in New York CityÂ’s history. Manning wrote "Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the happy land social club fire? That's what they're doing at the World Trade Center
'In calling for a new investigation, some structural engineers have said that one serious mistake has already been made in the chaotic aftermath of the collapses: the decision to rapidly recycle the steel columns, beams and trusses that held up the buildings. That may have cost investigators some of their most direct physical evidence with which to try to piece together an answer.' -- NY Times
"I find the speed with which potentially important evidence has been removed and recycled to be appalling" -- Dr. Frederick W. Mowrer; fire protection engineering department, University of Maryland and WTC collapse probe member quoted in NY Times (December 25, 2001)
Lovelynice, if your going to copy directly from the 911research site, at least give a reference.
Do a bit more research, look at some other sites.
Here’s Dr W. Gene Corley, head of the Building Performance Assessment Team, in his testimony to the House of Representatives. "There has been some concern expressed by others that the work of the team has been hampered because debris was removed from the site and has subsequently been processed for recycling. This is not the case. The team has had full access to the scrap yards and to the site and has been able to obtain numerous samples. At this point there is no indication that having access to each piece of steel from the World Trade Center would make a significant difference to understanding the performance of the structures"
house . gov / science / hearings / full02 / mar06 / corley . htm
Few other articles...
"At the beginning of October, the team visited the collapsed and damaged buildings at Ground Zero and over a period of six days collected a significant amount of data on building performance under extreme conditions"
irc.nrc-cnrc . gc . ca / newsletter / v7no1 / collapse_e . html
and more...
"Team members toured what was left of the 16-acre World Trade Center Plaza, interviewed officials and eyewitnesses, and examined remnants of fallen structures at the Staten Island landfill and at salvage yards. Steel samples were cut and catalogued for further study, and some were taken back to WPI for analysis"
wpi . edu / News / Transformations / 2002Spring / fall . html
and more...
"The investigation consisted of visiting Ground Zero, a survey of the WTC site, land-fill and steel recycling centers, review of videotape records, eyewitness accounts, interviews with building design teams, and analysis using computer models"
engr . mun . ca / ~csce / Page_files / events / upcoming / National_lecture_2003 . html
Can you guess how much detonation chord was found? how many explosive shock tubes? how many blasting caps? None!
The 9/11 terrorist attack on America which left almost 3,000 people dead was an "inside job", according to a group of leading academics.
Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe the attacks were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to justify the invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.
The claims have caused outrage and anger in the US which marks the fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks on Monday.
But leading scientists say the facts of their investigations cannot be ignored and say they have evidence that points to one of the biggest conspiracies ever perpetrated.
Professor Steven Jones, who lectures in physics at the Brigham Young University in Utah, says the official version of events is the biggest and most evil cover up in history.
He has joined the 9/11 Scholars for Truth whose membership includes up to 75 leading scientists and experts from universities across the US.
"We challenge this official conspiracy theory and, by God, we're going to get to the bottom of this."
In essays and journals, the scientists are giving credence to many of the conspiracy theories that have circulated on the internet in the past five years.
They believe a group of US neo-conservatives called the Project for a New American Century, set on US world dominance, orchestrated the 9/11 attacks as an excuse to hit Iraq, Afghanistan and later Iran.
The group says scientific evidence over the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon is conclusive proof.
Professor Jones said it was impossible for the twin towers to have collapsed in the way they did from the collision of two aeroplanes.
He maintains jet fuel does not burn at temperatures high enough to melt steel beams and claims horizontal puffs of smoke seen during the collapse of the towers are indicative of controlled explosions used to bring down the towers.
The group also maintains World Trade Centre 7 - a neighbouring building which caught fire and collapsed later in the day - was only partially damaged but had to be destroyed because it housed a clandestine CIA station.
Professor James Fetzer, 65, a retired philosopher of science at the University of Minnesota, said: "The evidence is so overwhelming, but most Americans don't have time to take a look at this."
The 9/11 Commission dismissed the numerous conspiracy theories after its exhaustive investigation into the terror attacks.
Subsequent examinations of the towers' structure have sought to prove they were significantly weakened by the impact which tore off fire retardant materials and led the steel beams bending under heat and then collapsing.
Christopher Pyle, professor of constitutional law at Mt Holyoake College in Massachusetts, has dismissed the academic group.
He said: "To plant bombs in three buildings with enough bomb materials and wiring? It's too huge a project and would require far too many people to keep it a secret afterwards.
"After every major crisis, like the assassinations of JFK or Martin Luther King, we've had conspiracy theorists who come up with plausible scenarios for gullible people. It's a waste of time."
But University of Wisconsin assistant professor, Kevin Barrett, said experts are unwilling to believe theories which don't fit into their belief systems.
He said: "People will disregard evidence it if causes their faith to be shattered. I think we were all shocked. And then, when the voice of authority told us what happened, we just believed it."
As the fifth anniversary approached, the 9/11 Scholars for Truth is urging Congress to reopen the investigation claiming they have amassed a wealth of scientific evidence to prove their version of the terror attacks.
You hacks know you are talking bullshit, you are just too scared of the truth.
I listen to professor and scientists, not half-witted OFT's with their warped logic and new laws of physics to accomodate their baloney layman theories.
Stick your heads back in the sand, the truth is out there.
Well you know, no one was really interested in 911, most americans haven't even heard of it, so no one bothered to look.
Don't buy that? Alright, then the jews snuck in there and stole the evidence.
"I listen to professor and scientists"
Yes, and what do they have in common? They all are stuck in this weird reality where REAL evidence doesn't matter. They have all been hoodwinked by the same bullsh*t as all the other conspiracy theorists.
600 academics is a minute drop in the ocean compared to the many thousands who DON'T believe in the conspiracy lies.
Oh, and by the way, we're still all waiting to hear what physical evidence you have, Ken.
"well, according to legal experts that I've checked with, there is far more than enough evidence for convictions"
So what are they waiting for?
The conspiracy nuts have never relied on actual evidence. In fact they revel in their lack of evidence, this simply proves in their mind that there is a cover up, which means the conspiracy must be true. It's ridiculous circular logic and there's no point debating with these fanatics.
Here is what Kens 911Scholars, are really scholars of...
From CBS NEWS:
"Of the 76 full members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, only four are listed as having backgrounds in physics, three in engineering; the other 69 "scholars" are mostly in the humanities and social sciences. Not quite what you'd expect when you hear that a group of "leading academics" supports the theory that the government was behind the attack."
Here is a list of few of the alledged "scholars" areas of expertise...
English literature, Radiology, Medical hypnosis, architecture, theater, theres even a guy who's stated area of expertise was... "researcher 9/11, JFK" LOL
The most amusing part is a guy with an article on Scholar for truth goes by the name of "Scooby Doo."
"Of those with specialties in physics, their areas of professional research and interest aside from their 9/11 pursuits are the following: solar and nuclear engineering, alternative energy, optics, robotics, and astrophysics. One, Jeffrey Farrer, is indicated as having expertise in physics and materials science, but the BYU website only identifies him as being a lab manager. Another, Judy Wood, is identified as having expertise in mechanical engineering. Her CV indicates that her exclusive area of research apart from 9/11 matters has been in the science of dental materials."
"Total number of articles published in peer reviewed science journals by any of the group's 319 total members arguing that the WTC collapsed by controlled demolitions: Zero. "
CBSNews.
Isn't it funny when the LYING SHILLS try to pretend that there were no explosives found in the WTC buildings?
Video of firemen reporting bombs in WTC
"Bomb in the building. Start clearing out"
"What did you say? Secondary device?"
"Bomb in the building, start clearing out"
youtube . com / watch ? v = W53 wdu8IG lE&NR
^Rumour.
There were hundreds of rumours of bombs that day. I remember hearing on the news that day of car bombs outside of the stock exchange. Just rumour.
Is that all you have?
There are also clips firefighters saying there were eight hijacked planes, one of which was heading for the Empire States Building.
Rumour, not fact.
Still waiting for just one example of solid physical evidence.
This is one of those (many) things which you silly shills are avoiding;
EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when STEEL-FRAMED tower buildings collapsed down at near free fall speed into their footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition.
Can any of you cite a single exception to this?
With a photo, video, or anything else.
and I'll repeat this nice and big since you seem to have problems reading it NO MENTION OF THE WORD "FIRE", YOU'RE IMAGINING IT!
Now please hurry and respond with some FACTS to back your bullshit!
Here's another one for you;
WTC1
AA Flt 11
8:46:40 UTC - FAA last primary radar contact
8:46:30 UTC - seismic event/NIST
Both times are real and accurate
QUESTION- What caused the 8:46:30 seismic event?
(It can not be the aircrash since that happened at 8:46:40)
Now, please don't start in here with any long-winded arguments; logically, because your beloved NIST embraced the 2005 revision of the seismic time by Dr. Kim (which infers UTC), the only way you win is you MUST discredit the 8:46:40 last primary radar contact that occurred (and no radar "sweep/refresh problem" exists as the contact was recorded (it's the last little triangle in the graph in the flight path study; it's all in the paper)).
Ginny Carr audiotape has a ~9.2 second gap between initial explosion and aircrash.
The 9/11 Commission avoided the time of the initial seismic event.
The 9/11 Commission avoided the many witnesses who testified of explosions in the basements.
NIST avoided the 9/11 Commission’s time.
NIST avoided the many witnesses who testified of explosions in the basements.
ANSWER- The only possibility: EXPLOSION(S)
Still waiting for just one example of solid physical evidence.
"...when what to my wandering eye should appear, but several conspiracy theorists riding reindeer"
(Still waiting for just one example of solid physical evidence.
by wideheadofknowledge on Mon Oct 02, 06 3:54am)
Yet, when it's cited, you ignore it.
For example, the way you ignore the solid evidence that was from Professor Steven Jones and his X-ray spectrometry evidence from samples taken at the WTC site show a perfect match for for the highly specialized compound "thermate" (used for cutting through steel) found in the WTC debris. (And no, thermate was NOT used during the clean up operation...this stuff was in the building, and ignited, prior to collapse.) If you're new to this information, you might want to check out "Molten Metal" and "Fire Initiated Collapse - Primary Arguments Against"
stopthelie . com / the _ evidence _is _ in . ht ml
You should also look up Steven Jones lecture on the subject which is available on video.
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