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I think the problem is one of 'generalized' criticism vs 'specific.
When the average Muslim basher gets going, it is because he/she has taken the actions of a subset of a much larger group and generalized that to all.
When people criticize Bush, it is usually due to specific actions that ... well ... that he did. there is no generalization involved.
Although I don't really view thart as 'political correctness.' This usually implies accepting the accusations.
^ I agree with cath, no one has a problem if you crit how gays are treated in Iran for example, when someone says Muslims did this or that makes it sound like all Muslims, I hate it when people say Christians did whatever , because I know I didn't do it, don't put me in the category as Jerry Falwell
I'm in a hurry don't know if that made any sense
^don't put me in SAME category as Jerry Falwell
I also agree pc does go a bit over board , some people won't let you criticise any one outside of the western hemisphere,
^actually PC goes more than a bit over the top, some things need to be discussed but PC prevents it in many cases IMO
I think the reason is simple. Some people have an urge to give a positive bias toward a group that is perceived as being the underdog.
I think if you look at who defends Islamic militants and attacks them it's generally one side of the political spectrum or the other. Coincidence? I think not.
When people criticize Bush, it is usually due to specific actions that ... well ... that he did. there is no generalization involved.
And the actions of militants aren't due to what Muslim militants do either?
Although I don't really view thart as 'political correctness.'
But people will talk on and on about how a republican said something in and e-mail, yet those same ppl don't comment on how a German opera banned something b/c of fear of radicalism, no one says anything.
by aya on Mon Oct 02, 06 9:56am
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So in other words, a positive bias is given toward the Islamic world because they are perceived as being the less powerful 'side'.
There is of course flaws with such logic. Just because a group is less powerful, it does not mean they are necessarily have the moral upper hand. Sometimes it is the less powerful that can provoke, that can start a conflict, etc, etc. I personally do not side with a group based on their relative power. I think its silly. I give preference to that which I think is not as bad as the other- and that varies in each situation.
It can be seen from the ballot results of ballot #100485 that indeed people on this site at least give a positive bias toward groups that are percieved as the les powerful ones.
Remember this isn't just for Muslims. Any political correctness is based on this flawed way of thinking.
For one they are the minority group. To many the minority is always the victim, the majority always the oppressor. So muslims, as victims, can say and do pretty much what they want and escape criticism from these people. Whites, christians, men, etc on the other hand, are not free of criticism for anything.
Another reason that appeasement is practiced on a larger scale is that when people criticize bush that's the end of it, just words. When people criticize muslims in a public setting they riot, murder and general harass their neighbors.
I disagree with your premise, aya. The West is full of righwing, racist bigots who obsessively condemn Islam. With some of them, it's a psychiatric disorder.
At the same time, these fascistic twits defend Bush as though he is inafallible, to the point of absolutely ignoring any point of fact against him, pretending that it doesn't exist.
In both cases, anti-Islam and pro-Bush, these goofs even make up lies as part of their propaganda campaigns, and think nothing of twisting facts or taking quotes out of context to prove their bogus, hatefilled points.
It's ironic how these people seem to be the mirror image of the conservative Islamic fanatics they fear and despise.
And Cathexis is correct: the generalized versus the specific does enter into it.
And the fact that Bush is a crook and idiot who should be impeached, also enters into it.
Voted : Damned good question !
Lots of scared people, lady. *Lots*.
Also, aya, too many of us are ignorant of Islamic culture and law in general, much less the specificity needed to make informed judgments.
Voted : Generalized vs Specific
It just seems wrong to stereotype one-sixth of the world's population. They're not all the same.
Voted : Damned good question !
Islam loves to exploit this weakness in democracy called political correctness. They see it as the achilles heel of the west.
Some people are conditioned to immediately jump to the aid of what they perceive to be a group that is discriminated against. They refuse to believe that there might be something endemic to Islam that could be causing problems. People will viciously attack Christians, Jews, blacks, Republicans, Democrats and others when a member of those groups commit some type of crime. However, when it comes to Islam and protesters carry signs saying "Behead those who offend Islam" and the FACT that many Imams repeat that statement, people make excuses or engage in willful ignorance.
For some reason... criticising Muslims is off limits. Mock Christians, belittle them, point out that many are against homosexuality (but not for killing them) but ignore the FACT that many Muslims want the death penalty for homosexual acts. It isn't just in Iran folks, it is true in Iraq and many other places.
Well, I see cathexis has made the PC comment. He will generalize to other groups but not to Muslims. It isn't just a few radicals who have called for the death of the Pope, Mr Cathexis. Keep believing that there might be some problem there...
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