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COMMENTS:
Unanswered Questions
By Indy Staff, September 7, 2006
A Grieving Mother Wonders What Really Happened on 9/11
by Marion Kminek, mother of Mari-Rae Sopper, who was killed on American Airlines Flight 77 on September 11, 2001.
On September 11, 2001, our daughter had her life cut short at the age of 35. After practicing law in the Navy JAG Corps and then with a corporate law firm in Washington, D.C., she accepted her dream job to become the head women’s gymnastics coach at UCSB. Her condo was up for sale, the movers had picked up her furniture, her car had been shipped, and then she boarded American Airlines Flight 77 to begin her new life.
As we approach the fifth anniversary of her death, more and more unanswered questions have surfaced regarding the events of 9/11. Here are just a few of the questions that bother me most:
When President Bush learned of the second plane hitting the South Tower, he seemed puzzled, but not particularly upset or surprised. He continued reading to the children. The Secret Service is trained to act quickly and decisively to protect the president why did they let him remain in a public place for more than seven minutes when our country was allegedly under attack?
According to radar data, American Airlines (AA) 77 was flying at 400 mph at 9:35 a.m. and passed over the Pentagon at 7,000 feet. The plane then made a very difficult high-speed descending turn in a downward spiral, dropping 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes.
How could the terrorists have done this difficult turn when their flight instructors have stated they were incompetent as pilots of even a small plane?
Pictures of the Pentagon after the impact show an entry hole much too small for a 757 to have crashed into the building. How can that be?
A C-130 military cargo plane that “happened” to be flying near the Pentagon was asked by air traffic control if he could see AA 77 and report its position. The same pilot later also “happened” to be in the same area as United Airlines Flight 93, and was asked to give 93’s position. Isn’t this a strange coincidence?
On September 13, 2001, in violation of a domestic flight ban, three Saudi royal family members flew to Kentucky in a private Lear jet from a private Raytheon hangar in Tampa, Florida. This flight took place several hours after a private meeting between President Bush and Prince Bandar, Saudi ambassador to the U.S. Tampa International Airport officials, former secretary of state Colin Powell, and former White House anti-terror adviser Richard Clarke all confirmed this information. Between September 14 and 19, about 140 Saudis - including 24 members of the bin Laden family were evacuated to Saudi Arabia.
For two years, this violation of the domestic flight ban was denied by the Federal Aviation Administration, FBI, and White House.
Those evacuated include: the son of the Saudi defense minister, the latter of whom allegedly contributed at least $6 million since 1994 to four charities that financed Al Qaeda; Khalil bin Laden, who has been investigated by the Brazilian government for possible terrorist connections; Abdullah bin Laden, the U.S. director of the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, a Muslim charity accused of funding terrorism; and Akberali Moawalla, who owned a joint bank account with Osama bin Laden from which there was a transfer of more than $250 million in 2000. MSNBC has reported that members of the Saudi royal family met frequently with Osama bin Laden both before and after 9/11.
Why were these people allowed by our government to leave our country after 9/11?
Just prior to 9/11, there was unusual stock activity related to short-selling and put options, which are both high-risk bets that a stock’s value will depreciate. Early in September 2001, there was a 40 percent increase in short-selling of American and United Airlines stock on the New York Stock Exchange.
On September 10, trading ratios on United Airlines were 25 times greater than normal on the Pacific Exchange. The firm used to buy many of the put options on United Airlines stock between September 6 and 10 was headed until 1998 by A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard, who was the CIA executive director on 9/11.
During the same period of time, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw suspicious trading on Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley, two of the largest World Trade Center (WTC) tenants. Who were these investors and how did they know to make these particular investments?
In the 100-year history of steel high-rises, there was never one that collapsed due to fires until 9/11, when three collapsed: WTC 1, 2, and 7.
Particularly mysterious was building 7, which was not struck by an aircraft, but rather by debris from the nearby Twin Towers.
According to video evidence, the towers collapsed in approximately 8-10 seconds. In other words, in about the same amount of time it would take a brick thrown from the top of the building to hit the ground, these buildings collapsed one floor after another without any resistance from any of the floors. It was as if they were being demolished by explosives. Were they?
If it seems too crazy to believe that anyone in our country could have been involved in the 9/11 attacks, please consider Operation Northwoods.
On May 1, 2001, ABC News reported the following: “In the early 1960s, America’s top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code-named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba’s then new leader, communist Fidel Castro. … The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy’s defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they were apparently rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.”
Why did we invade Iraq again? In addition to the nonexistent weapons of mass destruction, 9/11 was used as a justification. Was this a replay of Operation Northwoods?
How long do the American public and families of 9/11 victims have to wait before these questions and many more are answered? Will we ever know the real truth? Remember: in the U.S.A., it is our right to question the government.
I don't know Mr. K. My reason rejects this conspiracy, but I also have to admit that many of the parts of 9-11 don't seem to fit. I guess my biggest question for the conspiracy theory is what did the conspirators gain? Also, how did they keep it a secret? My experience of government is that they can't keep the color of their underwear secret. I just don't know.
- Hi Margaret, the conspirators gained from the uninformed public support these false flag attacks marshalled for them to go on their long sought oil profiteering so called mythical 'war on terror', which is in fact a 'war BY terror' in Afghanistan, Iraq and ultimately Iran, which could only gain support by 'some catalysing event like a New Pearl harbor' a year later (their Project for a New American Century document) -
'Today we had our new Pearl Harbor' - George Bush.
Luckily for Iran, that support has petered out in the face of the overwhelming evidence that they were lied into the Iraq war with these non-existent weapons of mass destruction which they subsequently tweaked to a lie about 'nuclear weapons' when casting their murderous eye over the people of Iran, their oil, and the next stage of their war by terror.
It's not really a secret at this stage as all random polls show, most Americans don't believe the government conspiracy theory, who control the media in America, which won't dare to question what happened in any headline news until they can be sure they won't face dire consequences.
A bit like the herd of wildebeest and the pride of lions, if only they would all get together they could defeat the lions, but the media over there is much too disjointed and disparate for that to happen in the foreseeable future.(poor analogy in the sense that lions are far more noble than the evil pnac scum behind the planning and execution of 9/11)
You are going further down in the barrel to scrape up more things, aren't you? Oh, BTW.... Last time I checked you were NOT an American like you claim in your comment "Remember: in the U.S.A., it is OUR right to question the government."
Logical fallacies in ken's example and those of his ballot buddies:
1. Inductive fallacy
2. Anecdotal evidence
3. Biased sample (what about all the other families?)
4. Appeal to probability
5. Appeal to fear
6. Weak analogy
7. Argumentum ad nauseam (his favorite)
8. Quoting out of context
9. Exclusion/Concealed Evidence
10. Ad hoc hypothesis - no true American would do this (ie, believe the government report)
11. Red herring
Oh... an numerous errors of "fact". States things or conclusions as fact when they are not.
and many others....
So wow! I am convinced. One woman. Therefore it MUST be true. I am impressed!! Can't you do any better than this? 
Cut and paste away.
BTW, you have two choices which say the same thing.
"So wow! I am convinced. One woman. Therefore it MUST be true. I am impressed!! Can't you do any better than this?" - fiddlie
Oh sure I can! - More than half the victims families agree with her and want answers too!
Besides, you should show some deference and respect for this woman's views and grief Fiddlie and stop eating Bushes shit all your life, unlike you she lost her daughter in deeply treasonous circumstances and wants answers.
Have some respect and stop vying for 'The Obnoxious Asshole of the Year Award' which you keep winning on this website, three years running now is it?
And you're shill - still as delusional and traitorous as ever.
With citizens like you America doesn't need enemies.
"Oh, BTW.... Last time I checked you were NOT an American like you claim in your comment
"Remember: in the U.S.A., it is OUR right to question the government." -Fiddlie
- Fiddlie has just revealed he doesn't read what I or anyone else with a view that doesn't comply with own narrow minded bigotry and - including the mothers of the victims.
Is there any hope for him when he just will not look the other way - EVER?
"Oh, BTW.... Last time I checked you were NOT an American like you claim in your comment
"Remember: in the U.S.A., it is OUR right to question the government."
^^^EXPLAIN TO EVERYONE WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT FIDDLIE?
This should be good.... ;)
The funny thing about opinions is that they can never be proven wrong.
Voted : Victims mother is wrong -flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon
She's wrong. Having one of your own family on the plane does not make you immune to conspiracy theories.
What does she think happened to her son or daughter?
Seeing as the remains of her child were found at the scene how does she (or anyone else) presume they got there?
Looking for anomalies is no proof of anything especially when you don't have any kind of believable, credible alternative theory that is backed up with corroborating physical evidence.
Just realised that BOTH choices say that Flight 77 did NOT hit the Pentagon.
Very clever.
"The funny thing about opinions is that they can never be proven wrong."
" Seeing as the remains of her child were found at the scene how does she (or anyone else) presume they got there?
Looking for anomalies is no proof of anything especially when you don't have any kind of believable, credible alternative theory that is backed up with corroborating physical evidence."
Yes indeed. It won't stop ken though. Logic and reasoning are alien to his brain. Your article is rather ludicrous ken. Pure propaganda without a single fact.
More erroneous nonsense from Ken due to the total lack of any physical evidence of a conspiracy. What does he think, that everyone one will suddenly believe there is a real conspiracy, simply because a grieving mother (denial) does not want to accept her child has died? Boy, the conspiracy theorists are sure getting desperate.
Ken, can you explain how a missile can knock down lamp posts in a zigzag line?
Ken, do you have any pictures of a missiles, or fragments of it? How about some witnesses?
Ken claims that the hole in the Pentagon was only 14ft across. Anyone with half a brain is capable of researching the facts - the windows we see in that picture were 5ft across, with a 5ft gap in between. You do the maths.
RE: the ballot
You can tell by the points she raises that she is just another clown falling for the proven lies created by prisonplanet and loose change.
Just another clown clearly incapable of researching anything other than conspriracy sites.
Voted : Victims mother is right -flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon
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when can we see the video from those 85 CCTVs of a huge passenger plane hitting the Pentagon? WHY won't the USA government release those videos?
"On September 11, 2001, our daughter had her life cut short at the age of 35. After practicing law in the Navy JAG Corps and then with a corporate law firm in Washington, D.C., she accepted her dream job to become the head women’s gymnastics coach at UCSB. Her condo was up for sale, the movers had picked up her furniture, her car had been shipped, and then she boarded American Airlines Flight 77 to begin her new life.
As we approach the fifth anniversary of her death, more and more unanswered questions have surfaced regarding the events of 9/11. Here are just a few of the questions that bother me most:
When President Bush learned of the second plane hitting the South Tower, he seemed puzzled, but not particularly upset or surprised. He continued reading to the children. The Secret Service is trained to act quickly and decisively to protect the president why did they let him remain in a public place for more than seven minutes when our country was allegedly under attack?
According to radar data, American Airlines (AA) 77 was flying at 400 mph at 9:35 a.m. and passed over the Pentagon at 7,000 feet. The plane then made a very difficult high-speed descending turn in a downward spiral, dropping 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes.
How could the terrorists have done this difficult turn when their flight instructors have stated they were incompetent as pilots of even a small plane?
Pictures of the Pentagon after the impact show an entry hole much too small for a 757 to have crashed into the building. How can that be?"
~Notice how Fiddle and his other stooge Bushit eaters ignored my exposure of him as the bigoted zealot that he is - you know them, the ones who are so blind that they will NEVER see - REFUSE to see, so I'll post the the grieving mother's opinions in small doses seen as the larger doses make him so sick that he can't be bothered to read them - and ends up mistakenly attributing a portion of it - the last sentence - the one that he accidentally caught sight of - to me!
You have ZERO credibility Mr FedLieFatLieonLSD.
"Notice how Fiddle and his other stooge Bushit eaters ignored my exposure of him as the bigoted zealot that he is"
LOL And you say I have zero credibility? HAHAHA
Only because I don't believe the utter rubbish you and your ballot buddies post. Why do you call every who disagrees with you names? That is as fascist as you like to claim Bush, etc are. On this site ken... very few users think much of you since you started posting and reposting these ballots. That is truly a shame as you used to create some really good ballots. I've come across many. I have often wondered what the hell happened to the old ken.
Ken, you're "evidence" is a joke.
Opinion, speculation, incredulity and ignorance are not proof of anything.
DNA evidence and the physical remains of a plane hoewever ARE counted as tangible, physical proof.
Again: How did the plane parts and victims remains get there?
^YOUR evidence that should be.
Quite the opposite.
I couldn't care less what an evil man like you thinks, you should be on your knees apologising and begging for forgiveness to the victims families who want answers, and their late sons, daughters, mothers and fathers - the memories of whom you and you're evil fellow travellers desecrate by lying about the circumstances of their murders.
How did their remains get there?
^^^ that was to ringleader FedLiesFatLies SwallowedLies on drugs ^^^
You should listen to men like American heroes like Col. George Nelson, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority with 34-year Air Force career you disgusting traitors. -
Suck on this;
"The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view.
With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged.
Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged.
As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history."
physics911. net/george nelson.htm
Opinion, speculation, incredulity and ignorance are not proof of anything.
How do you and Col. Nelson propose that wreckage from Flight 93 and the victims remains got there?
Kenneth, can you explain how a missile can knock down lamp posts in a zigzag line?
Kenneth, do you have any pictures of a missiles, or fragments of it? How about some witnesses?
Ken claims that the hole in the Pentagon was only 14ft across. Anyone with half a brain is capable of researching the facts - the windows we see in that picture were 5ft across, with a 5ft gap in between. You do the maths.
Why can't you answer the questions Ken?
There is no evidence that what allegedly clipped off the lamp posts was the wings of a jet, much less that such a supposed jet would have had to have been a Boeing. The clipped lampposts do not appear to have all fallen in the same direction, and there are other possibilities for what brought down the lampposts. All those lampposts landed more or less beside where they originally stood, with no damage or even paint from what they were allegedly struck by, so no prizes for guessing what happened there.
Do I have any pictures of a missile? - I'm not the one you should be asking - ask the US govt. authorities why they are refusing to show what hit the pentagon, which was recorded on dozens of pentagon security cameras.
Evidence of a missile?
'..and the missile that hit this building...' Donald Rumsfeld, speaking less than an hour after the hit, and obviously before he read the script.
Or the unauthorised original video release with a crucial frame missing that shows a small object, with a plume of white exhaust ejecting out of it's rear end, that most certainly was not a massive Boeing.
Barbara Honegger – Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School, the Navy’s advanced science, technology and national security affairs university (1995 - present). White House Policy Analyst and Special Assistant to the Assistant to President Ronald Reagan (1981-83).
"The US military, not al Qaeda, had the sustained access weeks before 9/11 to also plant controlled demolition charges throughout the superstructures of WTC 1 and WTC2, and in WTC7, which brought down all three buildings on 9/11. ... A US military plane, not one piloted by al Qaeda, performed the highly skilled, high speed 270 degree dive towards the Pentagon that Air Traffic Controllers on 9/11 were sure was a military plane as they watched it on their screens. Only a military aircraft, not a civilian plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the "Friendly" signal needed to disable the Pentagon’s anti aircraft missile batteries as it approached the building. Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response system."
blog.lege. net/content/Seven_Hours _in_September.pdf
Ken Said - "and there are other possibilities for what brought down the lampposts"
And they are? A missile that can go in a zigzag line?
Ken, are you still denying that the windows were 5ft across?
Are you also still claiming that the fighter jet in that movie we discussed simply vaporised without making a hole?
Ken Said - "and there are other possibilities for what brought down the lampposts"
- Nipple
Exactly, lot's of other posibilities, at least you are now admitting the possibility of it being a missile. You're making good progress.
"Ken, are you still denying that the windows were 5ft across?"
-Nipple
Amazing that - why are you lying again?, it's becoming routine with you now, desperate times require desperate measures, so you'll lie shamelessly to get your fallacious point across.
Why should I or anyone else respect your views when you make false claims about other peoples views like that?
Are you also still claiming that the fighter jet in that movie we discussed simply vaporised without making a hole?
by wolf_nipple_chips
More lies, surprise, surprise, I never stated it vaporised, get your facts right, planes don't just vaporise, unless of course you believe the official conspiracy theory and it's loony advocates like Nipple here.
Nor did it make a hole in that nuclear power plant block, that's why it passed the safety test.... DUH!
You didn't answer me question. Are you claiming that those windows were not 5ft across?
No false claims, just a simple question.
Are they 5ft across, or not?
RE: The fighter jet.
Why weren't the wings just left there intact next to the concrete block?
Ken, can missiles go in zigzag lines?
The answer is no by the way.
Of course anyone with half a brain can look this information up.
The windows in the pentagon were 5ft wide and about 6ft tall.
There is a 5ft gap between each window.
Ken claims that the hole was just 14ft wide.
Simple little task for you, count the windows above the hole and see how many you can find. Remember kids, don't forget the 5ft gaps in between.
Just like Sesame Street this, isn't Ken?
"You didn't answer me question. Are you claiming that those windows were not 5ft across?
No false claims, just a simple question."
by wolf_nipple IC_yeahchips
Oh YES it is mister, so don't think you're gonna pull me into your strawman argument.
I have NEVER commented on what the window dimensions of the Pentagon are so you are clearly lying for all to see by inferring that I have.
I will not lend your lies legitimacy by addressing them.
And cherry picking again are we Mr Chips?
So again I put it to you -
There is no evidence that what allegedly clipped off the lamp posts was the wings of a jet, much less that such a supposed jet would have had to have been a Boeing. The clipped lampposts do not appear to have all fallen in the same direction, and there are other possibilities for what brought down the lampposts. All those lampposts landed more or less beside where they originally stood, with no damage or even paint from what they were allegedly struck by, so no prizes for guessing what happened there.
Do I have any pictures of a missile? - I'm not the one you should be asking - ask the US govt. authorities why they are refusing to show what hit the pentagon, which was recorded on dozens of pentagon security cameras.
Evidence of a missile?
'..and the missile that hit this building...' Donald Rumsfeld, speaking less than an hour after the hit, and obviously before he read the script.
Or the unauthorised original video release with a crucial frame missing that shows a small object, with a plume of white exhaust ejecting out of it's rear end, that most certainly was not a massive Boeing.
-Not reading my comments now as well as lying Mr. Chips?
Oh and this - you missed this Mr. Chips;
Are you also still claiming that the fighter jet in that movie we discussed simply vaporised without making a hole?
by wolf_nipple_chips
More lies, surprise, surprise, I never stated it vaporised, get your facts right, planes don't just vaporise, unless of course you believe the official conspiracy theory and it's loony advocates like Nipple here.
NOR DID IT MAKE A HOLE IN THE NUCLEAR POWER PLANT BLOCK -THAT'S WHY IT PASSED THE SAFETY TEST...DUH...!
Ken, simple question.
Are they 5ft across, or not?
How many windows can you count above the hole Ken?
RE: The fighter jet.
Why weren't the wings just left there intact next to the concrete block?
"I have NEVER commented on what the window dimensions of the Pentagon are so you are clearly lying for all to see by inferring that I have."
Ken Ken Ken. Bit of a selective memory there.
On another ballot in which I stated the windows were 5ft, you accused me of lying - in your usual childlike way.
When someone is called a liar it is usually the case that the person saying this thinks the other person isn't telling the truth - or in other words, they claim that whatever was said was untrue.
So in short, your were claiming that the windows weren't 5ft wide.
^^^See how sad his argument has become folks?
The dimensions of windows that I have never mentioned or care to mention.
It's pathetic of you to lose your dignity in such a public fashion, you'll be arguing that I claimed the curtains were teracotta next and not just the plane(sic) cream that ALL the evidence points to!!!
The photo does all the 'camera never lies' work for me while I sit back, feet up, hands behind my head looking down at with pity you as you run around in circles like a mad hatter with a rocket up his ass trying to convince us that black is white.
 See how sad his argument has become folks?
The dimensions of windows that I have never mentioned or care to mention.
It's pathetic of you to lose your dignity in such a public fashion, you'll be arguing that I claimed the curtains were teracotta next and not just the plane(sic) cream that ALL the evidence points to!!!
The photo does all the 'camera never lies' work for me while I sit back, feet up, hands behind my head looking down at you with pity as you run around in circles like a mad hatter with a rocket up his ass trying to convince us that black is white.
Ken, now that you have grown some ball and unblocked me...
How many windows can you count above the hole?
"ball" yep! just the one.
Are you gonna answer this time, or just block me?
Awh...so that's why you lied about me blocking you!!!
You'd run out of mad ideas!
I'm laughing at you, how do you know they were curtains eh? Might have been venetian blinds you know? Think about it... Oh sorry I'm doing what you did now aren't I? - inferring that you said there were curtains and what colour they were... when in fact you didn't, never had in fact - never even mentioned them, just like I never mentioned anything to do with window dimensions even though you in your lie delusions seem to think I have.
Like I said - I won't be drawn into your straw man argument for to do so would be to lend credence to your LYING inferral that I claimed anything about window dimensions.
You really have dragged this argument down into the realm of farce, but do you know what?
I JUST LURVE IT!
Ken, can you count how many windows are above the hole in that picture?
Why can't you answer the question?
Your pathetic!
Wolf, I'll tell you who's pathetic - YOU ARE - do you EVER leave your pc?
You must live such a sad life, waiting for me to come in from the pub or club after a great night out, or after a game of golf ...waiting ...waiting ....hunched over your pc monitor with your eyes out on stalks waiting for Ken to answer your latest ballsology
,just look at that reply up there, NINE minutes it took for you to reply - whereas I had been away for nearly two days enjoying life.
Do you have long fingernails and clammy white skin from lack of exposure to fresh air and the sun?
You are obviously obsessed with me, and have now become a fully fledged stalker.
Now I suggest you make anappointment with your analyst and -
GET A F*CKING LIFE
It appears that Ken is avoiding the question in order to stop his ridiculous claims from falling apart at the seams.
Just read the info with the photo again folks - it says that there is no beach in the wall at the point impact.
These fruitcakes also argue that not only did the 'missile' breach the outer wall but that it penetrated through three reinforced rings!!
You can't get more insane that trying to bolster a ridiculous claim with a contradictory claim that also happens to be a lie!
Check the link on my user page "Full extent of the pentagon damage".
Doesn't look like a small impact now does it? Care to explain?
Why can't you answer the question Ken?
Ken clearly can't debate with the adults.
 shall I tell him or will you folks? ..... Okay son, have a good look at that photo, that does all the talking that is needed, describe to evreyone what you see in that photo in detail please.
typo -'everyone' well - go on son!
How many windows can you count above the hole in that picture?
Shouldn't you be asking why there are any windows left above the little hole at all - windows that would and should have been obliterated by the massive tail wing slamming into them, but which obviously didn't because nithing hit that section other than the wake of air from the much smaller object that did hit.
I wonder what happened to the entire tail wing section, and the engines, and the fuselage, and the seats, and the luggage, and the wings, and the bodies, and the truth ...and most of all the videos that they still refuse to release!
Why are you wondering what happened?
The wreckage was found and ALL the bodies were identified.
Can you please answer the question Ken?
Conveniently and expediently ignored, so I'll repeat....
Shouldn't YOU be asking why there are any windows left above the little hole at all - windows that would and should have been obliterated by the massive tail wing slamming into them, but which obviously didn't because nothing hit that section other than the wake of air from the much smaller object that did hit.
I wonder what happened to the entire tail wing section, and the engines, and the fuselage, and the seats, and the luggage, and the wings, and the bodies, and your brains, and the truth ... but most of all the videos that they still refuse to release!
I've been waiting about two week for an answer, do me the courtesy of answering, then I'll be more than happy to answer yours.
That how debate works ken.
I'll repeat the question...
How many windows can you count above the hole in that picture?
A bit of a desperate 'clutching at straws(man) argument' question, just shows how you are reduced to scraping the bottom of the barrel hee, I won't be engaging the question anyway until you withdraw your lies that I made any statements about about pentagon window dimensions or the colour of the curtains.
Agreed?
If you can't be man enough to admit that, then you can forget about me lending your blatant lies any legitimacy or credence.
So again..... nice dodge by the way...well almost.... 
Shouldn't YOU be asking why there are any windows left above the little hole at all - windows that would and should have been obliterated by the massive tail wing slamming into them, but which obviously didn't because nothing hit that section other than the wake of air from the much smaller object that did hit.
I wonder what happened to the entire tail wing section, and the engines, and the fuselage, and the seats, and the luggage, and the wings, and the bodies, and your brains, and the truth ... but most of all the videos that they still refuse to release!
Why won't you answer my question ken? Just one number is all I'm asking for, just one little number. Is that too much for your brain to deal with?
Come on now, one plus one, plus one, plus one...
ballot 102709
Comment - Tue Oct 03, 06 4:39pm
WNC said...
"Let look at some window for scale.
The windows are 1.5 metre/ 5 feet in width.
The windows are 2.1 metres/roughly 6ft high.
Looking at that picture, do you think that hole is the equivalent of just under three windows width?
Come on Ken, it ain't hard"
To which Ken replied
"You better retract that lie if you want your comments to be taken seriously, I can't believe you tried to pull that one, just shows the dead end you have reached on this one - and your credibility as if it couldn't take any more of a pummeling took a big self-inflicted one here. "
"This guy has been neothe1-ised, has lost all credibility and has resorted to nonsense and gobbledy gook, won't even respond to questions or acknowledge comments now"
So I present a few simple facts regarding window size which ken declares "lies" and "gobbledy gook".
So no, I won't retract my statement.
Now can you answer the simple question?
I'll tell you what Ken, I'll ask the rest of bestandworst what they think. Perhaps they were taught addition at school.
Ken, your repeated question has been addressed many times. The windows are blastproof. The tail of the plane when compared to the fortified structure of the pentagon and the bombproof glass is weak and easily smashed.
Again - look at the two links on my user page - any problems with those?
I wonder exactly what struck the Pentagon, hmmm....we know by now from the laws of deduction that it wasn't a Boeing...any suggestions lads? Wide head? Nipple?
Be honest now and stop being silly, what do you believe really hit the Pentagon?
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