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BUSH ADMINISTRATION'S NORTH KOREA FOREIGN POLICIES


[+] ballot by Cathexis
ACTIVE Mon Oct 09, 06 - Sat May 31, 08

US President George W Bush came to office believing that former President Clinton's policies regarding North Korea amounted to 'appeasement.' The Bush Administration asserted that Force and Strength were the way to deal with North Korea, not a mixture of force, diplomacy, and incentives/aid.

With that outlook, Bush went about dismantling the 1994 Clinton agreement, using evidence that the North Koreans were pursuing uranium enrichment the rationale. he took a hard line with NK and refused to deal with themn except through ultimatums.

As of this posting, news reports tell us that North Korea has made an unprecedented test of a nuclear weapon. In other words, they called Bush's bluff.

Does this test demonstrate the failure of the Bush policies towards Nortth Korea?

Yes: Shows failure of Bush policies
No: (explain)
It was all Clinton's fault, I tell you!
Look! A suspicious Muslim!
Clinton = NeoCon's favorite scapegoat (even more so than Osama!)
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Voted : Yes: Shows failure of Bush policies
Yes but not because Bush's foreign policy towards North Korea was too harsh but because it was not hardline enough.He should have really pushed the world community to sanction them.

But that's all in the past now we must look to the future and perhasp it is time to arm Japan with nuclear weapons.We can't allow the Koreans to continue to black mail the world.
by Corrupt on Mon Oct 09, 06 10:35am [+]

Voted : No: (explain)
I agree that Bush made mistakes, but not in the manner that you described above.

For one thing Bush's threats were empty rhetoric- he should have pushed for the international sanctions or at least tried to.

Another thing- his obsession with the Middle East. North Korea announced that it ws going to test a nuclear weapon? Where was Condoleeza Rice? Israel! What was Bush commenting about all week end? Iran! Yuck!

So, yes the Bush administration has flaws. It is NOT that Bush was 'too assertive', but rather he ignored the problem. CLinton, although naive and counter-productive, was at least trying and was more actively giving attention to the issue at hand. I seriously doubt the claim that North Korea only wanted nuclear weapons at the last moment because Bush was supposedly being threatening. North Korea has been trying to get nuclear weapons the entire time, it was NOT a last minute decision. The communist regime in Pyongyang is very provocative. It is NOT one that acts purely from defense. During Clinton's Administration, Clinton was trying all kinds of warm diplomacies and gestures toward peaceful co-existence with North Korea. How did the North Koreans react? They launched missiles over Japan! So North Korea was provocative BEFORE Bush, and Bush has not been 'too assertive' but rather has been ignoring the problem.
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Oct 09, 06 10:37am [+]

Voted : No: (explain)
No. North korea did not produce nukes in the past 5 years.

They had a program going for years under clinton, which bush had nothing to do with, it just happened to fall on his watch.

Just like 911, people try to claim that this came about because of bushs policies, but conviently disregard the years of plan that went on prior to his election.

If they were planning on building nuclear weapons under cliton, and were able to get much of it done while he was screwing around, but they didn't finish until bush takes office is that A) entirely bushs fault or B) not entirely bushs fault? Well I know your answer, but actually it's B, not entirely bushs fault.

And BTW, sitting down and chatting with them wouldn't have dissuaded them one bit. The US was hardly aggressive under clinton, but they still worked on their nuclear program, obviously that isn't it.
by herzog on Mon Oct 09, 06 11:01am [+]

Voted : No: (explain)
This is a complex political situation. North Korea is a rogue nation with lunatics at the helm. As much as I would like to blame Bush for North Korea's actions, I have to say that I don't think they could have done much more than they have. I think Clinton's approach was worth a try, but any progress now must come from the Chinese who appear to have the only leverage with the North Koreans.
by margaret123 on Mon Oct 09, 06 11:44am [+]

Voted : Yes: Shows failure of Bush policies
I wish I knew what to say here...
by Truthseeker013 on Mon Oct 09, 06 12:16pm [+]

I submit to you that NK's primary motivation, these days, is fear of an aggressive US. they never felt the need to do any public 'testing' before.
by Cathexis on Mon Oct 09, 06 12:39pm [+]

Voted : Yes: Shows failure of Bush policies
If Bush has screwed up, it must be Clinton's fault! Yee Haw, Texas! rolleyes

To answer the ballot, rather than sidestepping the question and bashing Bill Clinton (who was an infinitely superior president to George WMD Bush), the test DOES demonstrate the failure of Bush's North Korea policy.

Bush's policy was aimed at getting North Korea to abandon it's nuclear program. The policy failed. It's as simple as that.

_Beelzebubba_Dubya
by cranky on Mon Oct 09, 06 12:43pm [+]

Iraq is a disaster.

The Taliban is resurgent in Afghanistan.

Osama is still at large.

North Korea has become an official 'nuclear' state.

Iran feels it can act with impunity.

Tell me, again, which part of this indicates Bush's 'foreign policy' hasn't been an unmitigated failure?
by Cathexis on Mon Oct 09, 06 12:49pm [+]

But Cath, Bush's foreign policy isn't a total failure...and if it is a total failure, it's Clinton's fault!
by cranky on Mon Oct 09, 06 2:37pm [+]

"I submit to you that NK's primary motivation, these days, is fear of an aggressive US. they never felt the need to do any public 'testing' before."

Ahh, so correlation proves causation eh?
by herzog on Mon Oct 09, 06 6:16pm [+]

^No, neoconation proves cowardization.

_Beelzebubba_Dubya
by cranky on Mon Oct 09, 06 7:23pm [+]

Voted : Yes: Shows failure of Bush policies
On the international stage, bluffs and threats/versus Diplomacy may well have given the NK more impetus to obtain a nuclear device, and watching Iraq get attacked didn't help matters either...
by thesoothsayer on Mon Oct 09, 06 8:08pm [+]

North Korea appears to have an "inferiority complex" and not having direct talks seems to be a snub...Although there is a need for the neighboring Countries to be involved...
by thesoothsayer on Mon Oct 09, 06 8:13pm [+]

cranky- "If Bush has screwed up, it must be Clinton's fault!"

- No, not at all. I have never indicated that I believed that it was only Clinton's fault, and no fault of Bush. What I have asserted is that both had faults. But I am not going to be silly enough to blame only one of them because that would be irrational.

I have clearly stated that I believe Bush's foreign policy toward North Korea was a failure because he did not attempt to push for international sanctions AND he payed little attention to the problem due to an obsession with the Middle East.
by xxxxxxxx on Tue Oct 10, 06 8:52am [+]

Voted : No: (explain)
The same news reports tell us that North Korea's test of a nuclear weapon was not successful.

If appears that if Clinton's policies had continued, the test may have met with greater success.
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Oct 23, 06 7:59am [+]

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