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Voted : How could anyone do this?
I heard someone say "The sun must have gotten in his eye." They didn't know at first if the crash was an accident. Then the other tower got hit, and the Pentagon. Then I checked the news, saw the photographs, and got a mix of fact and rumor. Someone said they bombed the Supreme Court and the State Department. What seemed like a normal day at first got weird quickly.
Those poor people is all I remember that day in September.
that war was imminent
by aya on Thu Oct 12, 06 2:02pm
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The aforemention bastich being a two-star Navy admiral, whom I was trying to contact about a way to sweet-talk my way into a commission.
Make that "aforementioned", please.
Usama bin Ladin is about to become a household name.
Voted : Those poor, poor people.
Here are the main reasons why I cannot believe that the 9/11 WTC building
collapses were simply due to the aeroplane impact damage, fire and
gravity:
1. Solid structural concrete cannot be weakened by air fires. Concrete has
a very very high melting point (??? varies) and behaves as a masonry or
a solid rock, able to withstand temperatures above 2000 C without cracking
or failing due to temperature. The tensile fracture strength of concrete
is typically over 4000 psi, or ranges between 27 MPa to 42 MPa. If vertical
gravity is considered the main cause of concrete failure for the collapse of
the WTC buildings, consider these well known engineering facts: (1) Under
extreme vertical loading where concrete is compressed beyond its maximum
fracture stress, a solid concrete column or test sample will fail by cracking
along a single plane that is inclined at a 45 angle to the axis of loading.
This fracture plane is known in solid mechanics as the "plane of maximum
shear stress". (2) When concrete fails in this way due to uniaxial vertical
compression, the single solid will divide into two parts each showing cracked
45 degree angled surfaces, but the two remaining parts are still solid and
VERY LITTLE OR NO POWDER IS CREATED. (3) It takes an incredibly large amount
of explosive energy to pulverise solid concrete into fine powder (especially
to create the kinds of giant pyroclastic clouds that blanketed much of New
York on 9/11). Several horizontal clouds of concrete powder are seen and
heard (as captured on all the WTC collapse videos) exploding sideways, out
of the WTC buildings, before the buildings even started falling and moving
downwards. The small horizontal "puffs" cannot be explained as being caused
by trapped air pressure because they occur even before the buildings start
to even move downwards. Also, the positions of many explosions appear very
far below the collapsing levels, exploding sequentially several floors below,
and this cannot be due to trapped air pressure because the ceilings and floors
above have been destroyed with obviously cracked open with giant holes, making
them unable to trap any air and create large air pressure buildups below to
cause those horizontal explosions, especially 10 or 20 floors below the
downward moving collapsing levels. These small horizontal explosions cannot
be explained due to gravitational collapse or fire in the upper levels, but
they are very consistent with what is observed in controlled demolition
operations.
2. If the pancaking effect really did take place, where are the pancakes? Where
are all the large solid slabs of concrete floors that should be left remaining
piled one on top of each other? Why was NOTHING left behind, not even the
huge, super-strong steel core (skeleton) of the WTC Twin Towers, right down
to the ground floor levels? If a higher floor falls and hits the floor below,
it takes time for each collapsing floor to get the floor below to build up
speed, starting from rest, so it can collapse and continue the collapse
sequence, because each solid concrete floor has inertia and takes time to
accelerate. Assuming a free-fall time of 1 second for each floor, with 70+
undamaged floors below the impact zone, it should take over 70 seconds for the
Twin Towers to each collapse. So why did they both collapse in about 10 or 11
seconds each? At almost freefall speeds? Also, the same goes for WTC 7, which
collapsed about 7 hours after the twin towers, but it was not hit by any plane?
3. Fire burns at around Fahrenheit 451 F or about 233 degrees Celcius,
typically around 250 C for black smoke fires. Not enough temperature
to even reduce the strength of steel, due to insufficient oxygen in
normal 101.3 kPa (absolute) air pressure in the open air that we breathe.
If you look at the Strength vs. Temperature graph shown on this page:
911research . wtc7 . net / wtc / analysis / fires / steel.html
Notice that even at red hot temperatures for steel (around 700 C, which
normal fires cannot even reach because they cannot even exceed the
melting point of solid aluminium at 660 c)... steel still has about 40%
of its full strength, so there is NO WAY that both those Twin Towers
can fall at accelerating free-fall speeds, as if all the lower undamaged
and unburned materials converted from full strength to zero strength all
of a sudden. This is scientifically impossible and cannot be explained
due to fire alone. Steel has a melting point of about 1532 C, so even if
steel could soften and weaken in hot fires fed by strong winds, even at
around 600 C, at 50% of its full strength, steel would merely twist and
bend, causing damaged buildings to lean over like a Swiss Army knife being
folded, with the core and perimeter columns all still intact and joined.
Why is it that almost ALL of the large steel columns photographed at the
WTC Ground Zero site show clear signs of being sliced at 45 to 60 angles,
with black solidified (once molten) metal appearing along its sliced edges?
(Something very typical of steel columns sliced by controlled demolitions)
Don't forget that solid iron is widely used for many applications
involving direct exposure to high pressure and/or high temperature flames.
eg. internal combustion engines, pistons & engine blocks are made of iron
materials, steam engine boilers hold in a large amount of steam pressure
while exposed to fire, cooking pots and frying pans made of steel and
aluminium suffer no major weakening problems when exposed to fire and gas
stove flames, barbeque grills and hotplates do not display and weakness or
any noticeable strength loss when exposed to air fires. It is also
difficult, if not impossible, to melt solid aluminium into liquid molten
metal in a fuel fed still air fire (melting point of aluminium, 660 C).
4. The large pools of once-molten hot metal found in the basements, indicates
that at some time the metal beams were exposed to temperatures well above
the melting point of iron (1532 C), which is impossible for fuel air fires
burning for only a short period of time, since most of the fuel from the
jet planes was consumed in the initial fireballs and explosions when the
planes impacted with the towers. Black or dark smoke flames indicate low
temperature flames, typically below 300 C, and these were seen burning in
both twin tower buildings for about an hour or more before their collapses.
It could not have been very hot in those twin towers, because people could
be seen through those large impact holes on the sides of the building, some
appear alive and well and waving to television cameras. For people to be
alive and walking around in temperatures over 1000 C (to cause the steel to
become very weak), is ridiculous and impossible. Dr Steven Jones has also
pointed out that these hot temperatures in the basements persisted for over
6-weeks after September 11, 2001, something that an air fire fed by a very
limited amount of jet fuel, most of which was burned up in the initial
fireball explosions, cannot possibly accomplish. Read his latest paper at:
scholarsfor 911truth. org / Why Indeed Did the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse. pdf
911research. com /sept11/ evidence. html
911research. com /wtc/ evidence/ rubblefires. html
911research. com /wtc/ evidence/ moltensteel. html
5. All 3 WTC buildings collapsed vertically, into themselves, and at close to
free-fall speeds, as if the lower materials displayed zero strength or were
not even there to help slow down the collapses, all of a sudden. Engineering
materials do not display full strength and convert to zero strength all of a
sudden, for no reason, especially for the steel and concrete in the lower
levels that were not affected by fires or structural damage. It is also
interesting to note, that for straight-down collapses to occur, ALL the core
and perimeter columns (and/or concrete pillars) of a highrise building must
fail SIMULTANEOUSLY and symmetrically to prevent the buildings from leaning
or bending over sideways, which could lead to neighbouring buildings being
severely damaged. Watching super strong steel and concrete buildings falling
downwards into themselves at free fall speeds, after about an hour delay
period after they were initially damaged, is like chopping a tree, setting it
on fire at the point where you weakened it, waiting about an hour, and then
watching it all disintegrate into fine sawdust and woodchips from the top,
all the way down to the roots, at free fall speeds. And the WTC steel and
concrete is even far stronger than wood and are fireproof materials!
6. How could fire alone create large explosions and minor earthquakes of 2.0 and 2.1
magnitude, just prior to the collapses of all 3 WTC buildings?
7. There are many eyewitness reports and videos showing several explosions
and demolition squibbs occuring around those 3 WTC buildings before they
collapsed. Even on the 9/11 Movie, just before the North Tower collapsed,
you can see and hear explosions (bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang sounds)
erupting before the North Tower collapsed. Several videos showing the WTC
collapses can be seen at:
8. WEBSITES SHOWING ACTUAL VIDEOS OF THE WTC COLLAPSES (remove spaces):
video . google . com / videoplay? docid= -670819007 1483512003
plaguepuppy . net / public_html /collapse%20update/
seeloosechange . com
prisonplanet . com (Click on 9/11 Archives)
9. Why would the WTC Lease Owner, Mr Larry Silverstein, admit openly on the PBS
Documentary "America Rebuilds" these exact words just after the Narrator was
discussing the collapse of Building 7 (the one that was not hit by any plane,
but it suffered from 2 small fires)... Silverstein slipped up and said:
"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that they were not sure they would be able to contain the fire; and I said, 'You know, we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is PULL IT, and they made that decision to PULL and then we watched the building collapse."
The word "PULL" means "demolish with explosives" in the controlled demolition industry.
Even the actual owner agrees that the WTC 7 collapse was caused by controlled demolition!
So the question is: If it takes several days, often over a week, to plan and rig a large
47-story skyscraper like WTC 7 full of explosives, then how could they have done all this
in the short 6 hours after the Twin Towers collapsed, when the air was still full of
concrete and asbestos dust and WTC 7 was still on fire? How? WTC 7 was already ready
and rigged to be demolished long before September 11, 2001, indicating an INSIDE JOB...
There is just so much scientific evidence that disproves the original 9/11 stories.
In fact, none of the "assumptions" about concrete being converted to powder and
steel melting in air fires can even be proven in scientific experiments. So those
who still believe in the "Official" mass-media version of what happened on September
11, 2001, will have a hard time trying to give good explanations for the above facts
which point to deliberate pre-planted explosives and cutting charges present in
the 3 WTC buildings... explosives that were planted there long before the planes
even hit the twin towers on 9/11... causing the deaths of 2,749 civilians who were
mass-murdered on 9/11.
. Dr Steven Jones has also
pointed out that these hot temperatures in the basements persisted for over
6-weeks after September 11, 2001, something that an air fire fed by a very
limited amount of jet fuel, most of which was burned up in the initial
fireball explosions, cannot possibly accomplish. Read his latest paper at:
scholarsfor 911truth. org / Why Indeed Did the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse. pdf
911research. com /sept11/ evidence. html
911research. com /wtc/ evidence/ rubblefires. html
911research. com /wtc/ evidence/ moltensteel. html
The orange hot (about 940 C) once-molten metal, still raging with fires, trapped in the basements beneath the rubble at ground zero, stayed sizzling hot at over 700 to 1100 C for over 6 weeks after the WTC buildings collapsed on 9/11, despite a huge amount of water used to cool down the hot steel.
Watch all the movies and read the reports at:
truth911 . net
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Watch the videos:
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belowground surface . org
truth911 . net
st911 . org
Watch 9/11 Mysteries
truth911 . net
below ground surface . org
THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS DO NOT BELIEVE THE OFFICIAL VERSION OF 9/11
84% of Americans do not believe the official mass-media versions of what happened on 9/11 (ie. 4 planes were hijacked by 19 suicidal Muslims with little box cutter blades, crashing into super strong giant steel buildings, and melting all that steel and pulverising all that concrete, after a delay of about an hour or more after the jet planes hit them... and magically, causing Building 7 to collapse about 7 hours later even though it was not hit by any plane and was much further away from the twin towers than buildings 5 and 6, which both did not even collapse.
prisonplanet . com / articles/ October2006/ 141006poll . htm
journal of 911 studies . com
JUST LOOK AT THE 45 TO 60 DEGREE SLICED STEEL COLUMNS!
PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF STEEL CUTTING CHARGES USED ON WTC STEEL
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what really happened . com / wtc2_ cutter . html
Take a look at ballot 104239
Coldcircuit made a comment on this ballot but someone DELETED IT?
Why?
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