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IF BUSH DEALS DIPLOMATICALLY WITH IRAN TO STOP THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAM . .

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IF BUSH DEALS DIPLOMATICALLY WITH IRAN TO STOP THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAM . .


[+] serious ballot by herzog
created Thu Oct 12, 06

Let's say he talks really nicely to them, offers them a hefty bribe too, with absolutely no threat of invasion or bombing attached, in exchange for promises to stop building nuclear weapons. So we move in and shut down their current facility.

We do all this only to find that 5 years from now they were still enriching uranium (they just packed everything up and moved it to a new site and went to work secretly) as they test their first of many nuclear weapons and insist american inspectors (who were always limited to that one site) leave immediately.

But in the year 2011 the democrats have retaken the whitehouse and congress. Let's say Michael Moore is president.

Which president would you place most of the blame on* for the iranian nuclear program?

*obviously the iranians themselves are to blame, but some american president is going to be blamed as well, which one would it be?

President bush is to blame
President Moore is to blame

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COMMENTS:
Voted : President bush is to blame
Why blame Iran? They have a right under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty to do precisely as they are doing: developing nuclear fuel. Also, are they not a sovereign nation? What gives anyone the right to tell them they can't process unranium? I just don't get this. What the Bush Administration wants if a regime change, and they conceal their purposes behind the veil of the nuclear issue.
by margaret123 on Thu Oct 12, 06 3:51pm [+]

"What the Bush Administration wants if a regime change, and they conceal their purposes behind the veil of the nuclear issue."

Yes, indeed. That is why the 5 permanent members of the security council, the European Union, the majority of the International Atomic Energy Agency, and others want action taken because of their concern that Iran may be building nuclear weapons. Part of compliance witht he Nuclear non-Proliferation Treaty is to allow inspections. Is Iran doing this? No, they are being as evasive as hell.

Threatening to wipe another country off the map while being evasive about your nuclear program is a bit suspicious don't you think? A massively oil rich country with impoverished people with a mad desire for nuclear power doesn't concern anyone? Isn't this a little suspicious.

It isn't just the Bush administration. The actions being contemplated by the UN fall well within their purview. It was the IAEA that reported Iran to the UN Security Council.

Those who think it is just Bush and neocons are woefully ignorant.

Here is a Statement by the President of the Security Council

At the 5403rd meeting of the Security Council, held on 29 March 2006, in connection with the Council’s consideration of the item entitled "Non-proliferation", the President of the Security Council made the following statement on behalf of the Council:

"The Security Council reaffirms its commitment to the Treaty on the Non-proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and recalls the right of States Party, in conformity with Articles I and II of that Treaty, to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination.

"The Security Council notes with serious concern the many IAEA reports and resolutions related to Iran’s nuclear programme, reported to it by the IAEA Director General, including the February IAEA Board Resolution (GOV/2006/14).

"The Security Council also notes with serious concern that the Director General’s report of 27 February 2006 (GOV/2006/15) lists a number of outstanding issues and concerns, including topics which could have a military nuclear dimension, and that the IAEA is unable to conclude that there are no undeclared nuclear materials or activities in Iran.

"The Security Council notes with serious concern Iran’s decision to resume enrichment-related activities, including research and development, and to suspend cooperation with the IAEA under the Additional Protocol.

"The Security Council calls upon Iran to take the steps required by the IAEA Board of Governors, notably in the first operative paragraph of its resolution GOV/2006/14, which are essential to build confidence in the exclusively peaceful purpose of its nuclear programme and to resolve outstanding questions, and underlines, in this regard, the particular importance of re-establishing full and sustained suspension of all enrichment-related and reprocessing activities, including research and development, to be verified by the IAEA.

"The Security Council expresses the conviction that such suspension and full, verified Iranian compliance with the requirements set out by the IAEA Board of Governors would contribute to a diplomatic, negotiated solution that guarantees Iran’s nuclear programme is for exclusively peaceful purposes, and underlines the willingness of the international community to work positively for such a solution which will also benefit nuclear non-proliferation elsewhere.

"The Security Council strongly supports the role of the IAEA Board of Governors and commends and encourages the Director General of the IAEA and its secretariat for their ongoing professional and impartial efforts to resolve outstanding issues in Iran, and underlines the necessity of the IAEA continuing its work to clarify all outstanding issues relating to Iran’s nuclear programme.

"The Security Council requests in 30 days a report from the Director General of the IAEA on the process of Iranian compliance with the steps required by the IAEA Board, to the IAEA Board of Governors and in parallel to the Security Council for its consideration."

It is Iran that is to blame and the world for failing to act if Iran ends up with nuclear weapons.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Thu Oct 12, 06 4:05pm [+]

If Bush closed military bases, scaled down the treatening tactics against other nations and antagonize everybody else on the planet and didn't act like a general yahoo, I wouldn't blame him.

unfortunately.....
by LCD on Thu Oct 12, 06 4:15pm [+]

1. You appear to have no concept of what 'diplomacy' is.

2. An American president is 'to blame' if they have done something that contributes to an event or failed to take an appropriate action to stop one. Presidents, however egocentric, are not capable of affecting every world issue.

Therefore, it all depends on what the whole bag of actions entailed.

3. Michael Moore as president ... hahahaha! As if Diebold would ever let that happen! wink
by Cathexis on Fri Oct 13, 06 7:56am [+]

Plus, I have to acknowledge margaret's point.

The US is not the King of the World.
by Cathexis on Fri Oct 13, 06 7:57am [+]

LCD- So in this hypothetical you WOULD be blaming Bush?

margaret123- It is not about enriching uranium. It is that they deny international inspector's access to all sites- this is a violation of the NPT- and is higly suspicious that Iran- an oil-rich nation is doing so. What are they hiding? Nothing? If so, why not let international inspectors to all sites? Violation of the NPT and international agreements. Suspicious and seems likely to be developing nuclear weapons.
by xxxxxxxx on Fri Oct 13, 06 7:58am [+]

Cathexis- as Fiddlefaddle has pointed out, it is NOT just about the US. It is about the NPT, which IRan has violated by refusing to allow inspectors to visit all sites of concern. Or is Iran a sovereign nation that should ignore the evil imperialism of international agreements?

"You appear to have no concept of what 'diplomacy' is."

- What do you think diplomacy is? Bribes? Ask the nation in question what they want, and then give it to them?
by xxxxxxxx on Fri Oct 13, 06 8:03am [+]

Voted : President bush is to blame
Whatever it is, President Bush is to blame.
by Black_Lava on Fri Oct 13, 06 8:51am [+]

Cath: in this scenario he'd do exactly what saint clinton did: talk to Iran and get them to sign a peace of scrap paper saying they would stop making nukes, would allow inspectors to look at one site they were using, and in exchange they get some very hefty bribes.
by herzog on Fri Oct 13, 06 10:57am [+]

And the answer is unanimous. The previous president, not the one whose term saw the advent of the iranian bomb, was to blame for his pathetic attempts at diplomacy that were obviously ignored and did nothing to actually stop progress towards nuclear weaponry.
by herzog on Fri Oct 13, 06 10:58am [+]

It seems I have quite inadverdantly stumbled upon yet another rampant double standard on this site.
by herzog on Fri Oct 13, 06 11:01am [+]

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