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IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT A BALLOT ASKS


[+] ballot by herzog
created Tue Oct 17, 06

let's say a ballot points out facts or a view point that you find frightening, that upsets your previously held beliefs and challenges the majority view on here, what is the appropriate response?

Attack the ballot maker, the source, bush, anything to draw attention away from the question
Just attack the ballot maker
Just attack bush
Just attack the source
Ignore the ballot and hope nobody notices your absence
Rationally engage the individual in debate and seriously reconsider your own views
Try telling the truth for once Herzog
Make another ballot, pushing your point of view, without any options to choose or comment.
Re-evaluate my stance
Just give the best answer I can without bashing the one who made the ballot.


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Ha ... serious wishful thinking in that list of rationales, but ...

Depending on a variety of factors, I do one of the following:

* Debate it, pointing out the problems in the presentation, as appropriate. There's no use arguing an opposing viewpoint until the initial logic or truthfulness errors are addressed.

* Ignore it: If I am tired and/or the ballot author is a known incorrigible. I'll sometimes put in a 2-cents worth on these, though, just so the fallacies are not accepted as truths merely because they were uncontested.

* Poke good- natured fun at the ballot author: If he/she is a serial abuser. wink
by Cathexis on Tue Oct 17, 06 11:14am [+]

Only if the ballot is presented in an honest and accurate manner is it worthwhile debating the actual substance of the question.

If the question is not honest/ accurate, it would be foolish to try to address it.
by Cathexis on Tue Oct 17, 06 11:15am [+]

I can't believe you are such a petty prick. You create this ballot because of mine? What a shallow little twirp. You leave out that your ballot was total bullshit. You leave out that you alter facts, don't show sources and you take only one part of a very complex issue and try to turn that into the main issue. Face it dude, you try to get the response you want to soothe your own psyche and you'll do anything to get that response, including lie.

Just look at how you had to add in the choics above about Bush. You're sick in the head man. And yeah, if you want to say that attacking the ballot maker go right ahead. You prove me right though in that you are driven to madness with right versus left battles. I feel sorry for you
by TomSmith on Tue Oct 17, 06 11:18am [+]

Voted : Ignore the ballot and hope nobody notices your absence
Just ignore the ballot. (Not easily done by some.)
by Black_Lava on Tue Oct 17, 06 11:19am [+]




I must have ignored Tom's ballot for I haven't a clue what he is saying.
by Black_Lava on Tue Oct 17, 06 11:20am [+]

Oh man, look at choice #1. Dude you freaking hypocrit. Thats exactly what you do on any debate the paints Bush in a bad ligt. Lets throw up your most recent ballots to see how many will recognize you doing precisely what you mock in choice 1.
by TomSmith on Tue Oct 17, 06 11:20am [+]

Call them a racist, then they will have top spend sop much time defening themselves from that accusation, that they wont have time to argue back!

Liberal debating tactics: 101
by lil_ape on Tue Oct 17, 06 11:23am [+]

excuse the typos
by lil_ape on Tue Oct 17, 06 11:23am [+]

ballot #103471


ballot #103472

ballot #103486




by TomSmith on Tue Oct 17, 06 11:24am [+]

This is a good example of a ballot premise that should be challenged -- it assumes that the reasons a person would take exception to a ballot topic are failings in the readers' character, conveniently implying that the ballot author is pure like angels and innocent like children. It then asks what the reader should do to address the situation.

Here's an alternative to your ballot premise, herz: Ballot authors should try to be aware of their own biases and bend over backwards to put forth at least a semi-fair ballot.
by Cathexis on Tue Oct 17, 06 11:25am [+]

lil_ape: Spoken like a racist. wink
by Cathexis on Tue Oct 17, 06 11:26am [+]

IMO, anyone who posts a ballot should be willing to hear challenges to the framing and/or 'facts' and either ddefend the presentation or walk away with a little more insight on how to address ballots in the future.
by Cathexis on Tue Oct 17, 06 11:28am [+]

IC_foot
by lil_ape on Tue Oct 17, 06 11:31am [+]

"let's say a ballot points out facts or a view point that you find frightening, that upsets your previously held beliefs"

Well, do what you do, Herzog, don't answer the ballot. There are ballots where you either don't directly answer or just ignore that make you feel uncomfortable.

"I can't believe you are such a petty prick. You create this ballot because of mine?"

What ballot, I wonder?
by aya on Tue Oct 17, 06 12:22pm [+]

Voted : Rationally engage the individual in debate and seriously reconsider your own views
but really depends on the individual.

suppose someone posts 100 pro-nazi posts, then follow up with a question about jewish influences in the white house.

right or not, you might be called a nazi, based on other ballots you posted.
by LCD on Tue Oct 17, 06 1:08pm [+]

Voted : Ignore the ballot and hope nobody notices your absence
I refer to it on my part as "I'll get back to this one later", and then forget where the ballot was left.
by Truthseeker013 on Tue Oct 17, 06 4:21pm [+]

Cath: can you recall the last time you answered one of my ballots?

The one based on a poll presented by the BBC that showed a great many indonesians supported terror was a direct copy and paste, the question was fair, and the answers were objective and open to addition. Did you answer it?
by herzog on Tue Oct 17, 06 7:26pm [+]

And yes, this is a direct question from myself, herzog, to you, cathexis, and I do expect an answer to it, no more diversions.
by herzog on Tue Oct 17, 06 7:26pm [+]

Cath: If I were to respond to one of your ballots with "stop whining like a pussy", "you're my bitch" " Dude you're an idiot" and my personal favorite, "you're a total cuntish wimp".

WOuld you say these are openings to intellectually stimulating debates and that this users interesting points need to be addressed, or are they mindless drivel from a kid desperate for attention?
by herzog on Tue Oct 17, 06 8:36pm [+]

So now I'm a kid desperate for attention. Yo, if thats my impression of you why not call it like I see it. Face it dude you're only pissed because I nailed you on your ballot premise. I answered the question in the ballot and I was honest that in my opinion the ballot was bogus. Like I said if you can't handle it then don't make ballots. Or at least don't make bullshit ballots that are more your personal opinions disguised as facts. You do realize that we all have the ability to read all of your ballots and comments right? Well thats what I did. If your ego wasn't so bone china fragile maybe you'd see that you're acting just like the way I described you. Keep whining about it because no one feels bad for you. Try being a man and face up to the fact that Im not the first person to challeng you and I won;t be the last. Its up to you how you react.
by TomSmith on Tue Oct 17, 06 8:43pm [+]

Voted : Rationally engage the individual in debate and seriously reconsider your own views
I don't really see the point of being a member of a site like this if you aren't prepared to call your own opinions into question.
by himself809 on Tue Oct 17, 06 8:45pm [+]

Received karma rating of : -5 from herzog
For the ballot choice #905007 @ Bestandworst.com.
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Oooh, poor baby. Say, girl, aren't you the one always pissing and moaning about karma attacks? So what do you do? Give negative karma and show once again you are just big cry baby hypocrit.
by TomSmith on Tue Oct 17, 06 8:46pm [+]

Oh wait, 46% of voters liked my choice. Let the majority rule
by TomSmith on Tue Oct 17, 06 8:46pm [+]






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