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POLICE TOLD NOT TO ARREST MUSLIMS DURING RAMADAN

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POLICE TOLD NOT TO ARREST MUSLIMS DURING RAMADAN


[+] serious ballot by herzog
created Mon Oct 23, 06

Police in Manchester have been told not to arrest Muslims wanted on warrants at prayer times during Ramadan.

Greater Manchester Police confirmed it had asked detectives not to make planned arrests during those periods for reasons of religious sensitivity.

The advice was emailed out to officers working in Moss Side, Hulme, Whalley Range, Rusholme, Fallowfield, Ardwick, Longsight, Gorton and Levenshulme.

Police said it was not a blanket ban, just a "request for sensitivity".

The email stressed the order did not apply to on-the-spot arrests, only the execution of arrest warrants.

The holy month of Ramadan began on 22 September and is due to end with the festival of Eid-ul-Fitr next week.

The internal email was sent to staff listing the prayer times, but confusion arose and a second memo was sent clarifying it was not a total ban on arresting Muslims at these times.

A GMP statement said: "The primary objective of Greater Manchester Police is to fight crime and protect people.

"The month of Ramadan is an important time of the year for members of the Muslim community throughout the world.

"It is important that normal, planned policing activities and operations are maintained, while ensuring that officers are professional and respectful to members of the community while going about their duties."

Liberal Democrat councillor Simon Ashley, who represents the city's Gorton South ward and leads the party on Manchester City Council, said: "This sounds odd but we would need to find out what impact rescheduling arrests had on police operations.

"The police's first job is to police.

"I understand they have a difficult task to do and need to do it sensitively, especially within minority communities, but that can't stop them policing serious crimes."

BBC

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Do you agree that police should avoid offending muslims during prayer times (only muslims, it doesn't seem that the memo included any other faiths) or should all citizens be fair game at all times if they have outstanding warrants?`

They police should not arrest muslims during prayer or during religious holidays
They police shouldn't arrest anyone of any faith during periods of prayer
They police should arrest anyone at any time it is deemed necessary
Everybody is fair game if they have outstanding warrants
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COMMENTS:
Voted : They police shouldn't arrest anyone of any faith during periods of prayer
IMO, it'd be good if people were left to be arrested after they finish praying, no matter what religion they are.
by himself809 on Mon Oct 23, 06 10:25pm [+]

Voted : They police should arrest anyone at any time it is deemed necessary
Note to Christian criminals in Manchester; commit as many crimes as you can on Christmas and Easter. Maybe this absurd edict for Muslims will spill over onto other religions - but don't hold your breathe.
by Bostonian on Mon Oct 23, 06 10:48pm [+]

"commit as many crimes as you can on Christmas and Easter"

I only meant during actual religious services. The sanctity of those, at least, should be recognized. But during holy months, or celebrations, or observations, or whatever else, people should be just as subject to arrest as ever. If I read the article correctly, it meant that the ban was only on arresting people during times of prayer, not on arresting people during Ramadan.
by himself809 on Mon Oct 23, 06 10:54pm [+]

Voted : They police should arrest anyone at any time it is deemed necessary
Himself... I think a lot of criminals would be praying a lot then.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Mon Oct 23, 06 10:54pm [+]

Once again the idiots take to their rancid little soap boxes without understanding the issue. If they chose to wait before making a planned arrest what's the problem? This is NOT a ban on arresting criminals caught in the act so to speak - just a ban on planned arrests. The absurdity of comments like "Christian criminals in Manchester; commit as many crimes as you can on Christmas and Easter" is plainly made from absolute ignorance and fuckwittery.
by wideheadofknowledge on Tue Oct 24, 06 7:32am [+]

fuckwittery, HaHa. I've a new word. How bout this from Coleman Young, fmr. mayor of Detroit. " White people piss me off to the highest pissitivity."LOL
by xxxxxxxx on Tue Oct 24, 06 9:10am [+]

Voted : Everybody is fair game if they have outstanding warrants
What happened to Great Britain? Now you're just another example of excessive tolerance coming back to bite you in the arse.
by _Beelzebubba on Tue Oct 24, 06 11:47am [+]

Voted : They police should arrest anyone at any time it is deemed necessary
Without a doubt.
by Black_Lava on Tue Oct 24, 06 12:05pm [+]

Voted : They police should arrest anyone at any time it is deemed necessary
If you're dumb enough to break the law, regardless of religious affiliation, it's the slam for you...
by Truthseeker013 on Tue Oct 24, 06 4:29pm [+]

Are you all that stupid? Can't you actually grasp what this is about? It's not about letting anyone off the hook for committing crime. But hey, don't let you prejudices get in the way of your understanding though, right?
by wideheadofknowledge on Tue Oct 24, 06 6:30pm [+]

Widehead: how do you rationalize only applying this to muslims, and no one elses religious practices? Why should the state recognize religious ceremonies in this way and is this fair to all non-muslims?
by herzog on Tue Oct 24, 06 7:37pm [+]

What's the problem - they'll just be arrested after Eid al Fitr.

Why get on your high horse about this? The Police have clearly said that if someone needs to be taken off the street then they will be whatever the religion or time of year.

You're not being hard done by here - and I know that there's plenty of people just waiting to cry about police insensitivity if the so much as put one foot wrong.

I ask you all: Why do you care? What bearing does this have on your life?
by wideheadofknowledge on Wed Oct 25, 06 2:03am [+]

Seems obvious that they fear sparking violent episodes. Just exercising common sense, IMO.

How black and white does ones' world have to be that they can't take into account any 'bigger picture?'
by Cathexis on Wed Oct 25, 06 2:54pm [+]

Cath: even if it made sense to let people off the hook for the duration of their religious festivals, which it doesn't, how do you justify *only* giving these exemptions to muslims?

Isn't this like the british government saying muslims are all barbaric fanatics who will riot and kill at the first oppurtunity? What if they were to only apply this to christians, I think then you might have a concern.

Widehead: there is a reason bounty hunters exist, and that is because people with warrants out for their arrest don't automatically turn themselves in or show up at the local police station. They often run and hide. So if we know where they are now that is no guarantee that we'll know where they are tomorrow, or at the end of ramadan.

It makes sense to arrest criminals when you see them, not when it would be most expedient for them, hoping that you can find that particular needle in that particular stack of needles after it's been shuffled around for a few months.
by herzog on Wed Oct 25, 06 7:37pm [+]

Tell you what, you're a cop out to arrest someone. WOuld you rather arrest them when they are sitting right in front of you, or would you rather let them go then wait for a month after they've had a good deal of warning that the cops out out looking for them? A) arrest them when they are found, B) let them go and hope you can find them later?
by herzog on Wed Oct 25, 06 7:38pm [+]

I wanna reiterate herzog's question:

"Widehead: how do you rationalize only applying this to muslims, and no one elses religious practices? "

c'mon widehead, can't you just point out how ridiculous this idea is? instead you divert the ballot question and ask things like "why do you care?" or "it doesn't concern you."

Why can't you and Cath just say "it is unfair to apply this to muslims but not christians."

The issue is clear cut. It benefits one religion but not the other. How much more clear could this be?
by Narcissus on Wed Oct 25, 06 11:57pm [+]

"It benefits one religion but not the other."

How?
by wideheadofknowledge on Thu Oct 26, 06 12:54am [+]

Herzog, bounty hunters don't make much of a living in Birmingham I'm afraid. Your argument is not applicable.
by wideheadofknowledge on Thu Oct 26, 06 12:54am [+]

Widehead: true/false, criminals with warrants out for their arrest always turn themselves in at the first oppurtunity?
by herzog on Fri Oct 27, 06 1:58pm [+]

If it is a felony warrant, arrest him/her.
by UncleMax on Thu Dec 14, 06 10:20am [+]

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