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so you come back and the first thing you do is insult someone and start causing trouble?
wow you were off for a year. what gives. weird that today a few users who haven't been on in about a year are back. must be like old home week.
Jenny's been 17 for a long time now. 
Believe it or not, there is an overwhelming amount of people who realize the truth about 9/11. Get a clue.
"there is an overwhelming amount of people who realize the truth about 9/11"
Yep, and they all agree that terrorists masterminded a plan to crash 4 passnger planes into targets on US soil.
Two planes hit the Twin Towers in NYC and one hit the Pentagon. The fourth plane crashed near Shanksville and in all cases everyone on board was killed.
Shortly after the WTC crashes a combination of the terrible impacts and subsequent fires caused the towers to collapse. Debris from the falling towers ripped a 20 storey hole in a nearby building (WTC7) which also collapsed hours later after an inferno raged within on almost every floor.
Did I miss anything?
^ Yeah, the facts.
Hey, babe. You 18 yet?  
...Did I miss anything?
by wideheadofknowledge
Shall I tell him or will you folks?
There was no - repeat NO twenty story HOLE in WTC 7, why lie?, just don't bother posting lies and wasting every one's time with nonsense like that will you for a change?
Here is a challenge for you Wide head -
I want you to post a ballot with an attached photo of this twenty story hole in WTC 7, and I want you to describe in detail exactly where this hole is.
While you are at it I want you to explain why WTC 7's 14th and 15th floors were in the months and weeks leading up to 9/11 heavily fortified with bomb proof glass facing the twin towers.
They have since claimed it was a bunker for Mayor Giuliani in case of terrorist attacks would you believe, which he took the opportunity not to use on the day of the attacks!
I want you to explain why these two mysterious fires started given that no windows had been smashed on the corresponding floors, even if they had been that is no reason for a fire to start.
Why did the automatic sprinkler system conveniently fail to activate and extinguish these fires?
Why did the then new WTC lease holder Larry Silverstein clearly state in a TV interview a year after the attacks that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack? The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives.
Photos taken moments before the collapse of WTC 7 show small office fires on just two floors.
Firefighters were told to move away from the building moments before it collapsed.
In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million!
Explain to everyone why buildings that didn't belong or weren't insured by Silverstein holdings and that were right beside the twin towers and sustained massive damage - far more damage than WTC 7 - didn't collapse into their own footprints at near free fall speed, they didn't even catch fire!
Yet this WTC 7 building - which was by the way the strongest building on the WTC site being fortified with solid cross section girders rather than the 'H' type because it straddled the a major electrical substation - was conveniently demolished, explosive streamers and charges can be seen all over the front of the building and charges running up the sides. The penthouse fell in first as the the building was eviscerated from the inside.
Unfortunately, we may never know what happened because much to the NYFD's anger, the steel from the WTC was immediately shipped off before almost any major examination had been done to check for the possibility of explosives.
"Some 185,101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from ground zero. The city's hasty move has outraged many victims' families who believe the steel should have been examined more thoroughly. Last month fire experts told congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped so far, without being examined because investigators did not have authority to preserve wreckage" .
One investigator of the WTC told New York Times, "this is almost the dream team of engineers in the country working on this, and our hands are tied." The member asked not to be identified because members have been "threatened with dismissal for speaking to the press". "FEMA is controlling everything," the team member said .
More later....
I look forward to your ballot and seeing this 'twenty story hole' in the WTC 7 - something that everyone else in America apart from yourself seems to have missed. 
By the way folks - just for the record, I'm pretty certain I know what his wild 20 story hole exaggeration is about, it's some minor damage on one of the corners of the building, you'll see it if he has the balls to post the ballot.
If he tries to claim that this is why the building fell then he is in cloud cuckoo land, especially when one considers that weaker buildings which sustained WW2 blitzkrieg type damage and that were right beside the twin towers but weren't insured by Siverstein didn't, surprise surprise, collapse or catch fire.
Post the ballot Wide head! We're waiting!!!
Ken, care to comment on 100 or so firefighters statements on my userpage?
Here are a few..
"Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and
you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is
it coming down next? "
"but I remember standing there looking over at building 7 and realizing that
a big chunk of the lower floors had been taken out on the Vesey Street side"
"A few minutes after that a police officer came up to me and told me that
the façade in front of Seven World Trade Center was gone and they thought there
was an imminent collapse of Seven World Trade Center"
"I think they said they had seven to ten floors that were freestanding and
they weren't going to send anyone in"
"but then you looked on the south side of 7 there
had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. "
"Anyway, I was looking at WTC7 and I noticed that it wasn’t looking like it
was straight. It was really weird. The closest corner to me (the SE corner) was
kind of out of whack with the SW corner. "
"and Captain
Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged
on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse."
"At this point, 7, which is right there on Vesey, the whole corner of the
building was missing. "
"n the alleyway on the north, which turned out to be
the right direction because apparently there was a lot of debris and part of 7
down already"
"When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all fortyseven
stories."
"The flames were coming out of every window of that
building from the explosion of the south tower. "
"A while later, an NYFD supervisor approached and ordered the rescuers away
from the area because 7 WTC was in danger of collapse also"
"building 7 was
“basically a lost cause and we should not lose anyone else trying to save it"
"asked us to leave the area, they were concerned
about 7 World Trade Center Collapsing. "
"Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 o'clock, that they thought 7 was
going to collapse."
"I remember him screaming about number 7, No. 7, that they wanted everybody
away from 7 because 7 was definitely going to collapse, they don't know when,
but it's definitely going to come down, "
"Specifically
to monitor number 7 World Trade Center. We were very concerned with
the collapse potential there"
" but I sure could see the building was leaning over in a way it certainly
should not be. I asked another guy looking with me and he said “That
building is going to come down"
All links on my userpage.
Ken Said..."I'm pretty certain I know what his wild 20 story hole exaggeration is about,"
I'll tell you why Ken, because the firefighters that were there dealing with the crisis first hand, witnessed it and reported it. Hundreds of them.
Ken Said..."Why did the then new WTC lease holder Larry Silverstein clearly state in a TV interview a year after the attacks that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack? The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives. "
Yawn. We've been through this.
In the same PBS documentary, they also "pull" WTC6, using cables. All demolition experts state the the term "pull" has nothing to do with explosives. Why would the NYPD decide to demolish a building? Since when do they demolish buildings?
It either means "pull" the operation, or "pull" the building with cables. There is not one shred of evidence to suggest otherwise I'm afraid
YOur argument on this is a joke.
Re: the other WTC buildings
Ken Said...(didn't) "collapse or catch fire. "
They did catch fire, there were huge blazes in every one of the WTC buildings. The only difference being that they were a 5th of the height of WTC7.
Showing you lack of research again.
Ken said..."This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million!"
Afraid not, for the whole disaster, he recieved 4.6 billion in insurance, it will cost 6.3 billion to rebuild. It's all avaialable if you look at website other than prisonplanet - try 'Time', 'NY Post' and 'Forbes'.
"There was no - repeat NO twenty story HOLE in WTC 7, why lie?, "
Are you calling the NYPD liars? Are they in on it as well?
So thats another few thousand people in on the conspiracy.
LOL!!
Folks - I see a pattern emerging here - Wideheadofknowledge and wolfnipplechips are like twins on my 9/11 ballots, one steps in when the other is stumped, and vice versa, I suspect, actually by now would bet good money on them being one and the same.
For instance I posted ten dodged questions last week to wolfnipple chips - he had attempted to debunk a ballot of mine but left out all the answers to the awkward questions posed, and cherry picking the one's he thought he could have a crack at, but failed at - no doubt hoping I wouldn't notice, but sure enough -what happens? The nipple who is onto my 9/11 posts and ballots quicker than you can say 'Google pnac 9/11 for the truth and I am not a stalker of KFD' was strangely silent for many many hours, but guess who eventually arrived like wolf's knight in shining armour to try and answer all the same awkward questions he had dodged for him - yep you guessed it -WideofTheMarkofKnowledge, and needless to say he made a complete balls of it.
Then tentatively wolf sneaks in behind him, trying to tie up the loose ends.
Here tonight we see the reverse, awkward questions to one and the alter ego paves the way for the other to sneak in the back door.
What's keeping you Wide head/ wolf nipple?
You gonna post the ballot or are you too chicken shit?
YES or NO?
Don't listen to wolf head's lies folks - here is the real story about Silverstein and his deal of the century on real estate that was economic poison to everyone but Silverstein, he obviously knew he was quids in.
Silverstein Makes a HugernProfit off of the 9/11 Attacks
Six months before the 9/11 attacks the World Trade Center was "privatized" by being leased to a private sector developer. The lease was purchased by the Silverstein Group for $3.2 billion. "This is a dream come true," Larry Silverstein said. "We will be in control of a prized asset, and we will seek to develop its potential, raising it to new heights."
But the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe.
From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace.
How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?
Also, the towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built.
It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.
Other New York developers had been driven into bankruptcy by the costly mandated renovations, and $200 million represented an entire year's worth of revenues from the World Trade Towers.
The perfect collapse of the twin towers changed the picture.
Under a pending agreement, a developer and his investors will get back most of the down payment that they made to lease the World Trade Center just six weeks before a terrorist attack destroyed the twin towers. Developer Larry Silverstein and investors Lloyd Goldman and Joseph Cayre are nearing a deal that would give them about $98 million of their original investment of $124 million, The New York Times reported Saturday.
Instead of renovation, Silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance coverage on the property which 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism. Even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, separate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself.
As reported in The Washington Post, the insurance company, Swiss Re, has gone to court to argue that the 9/11 disaster was only one attack, not two and that therefore the insurance payout should be limited to $3.55 billion, still enough to rebuild the complex.
Update: WTC Leaseholder May Collect Up To $4.6B
A federal jury on Monday ruled that the assault on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center was in fact two occurrences for insurance purposes. The finding in U.S. District Court in Manhattan means leaseholder Larry Silverstein may collect up to $4.6 billion, according to reports.
The result of court ruling: Silverstein makes a huge profit off of the 9/11 attacks.
what happens if someone flies a model airplane into your tin head? Or is it because your head is filled with explosives?
a liar
Post the ballot and let everyone see the 20 story hole in WTC 7 so that everyone can see just what a LIAR you are.
a liar
Post the ballot and let everyone see the 20 story hole in WTC 7 so that everyone can see just what a casual LIAR you are.
...Did I miss anything?
by wideheadofknowledge
Shall I tell him or will you folks?
There was no - repeat NO twenty story HOLE in WTC 7, why lie?, just don't bother posting lies and wasting every one's time with nonsense like that will you for a change?
Here is a challenge for you Wide head -
I want you to post a ballot with an attached photo of this twenty story hole in WTC 7, and I want you to describe in detail exactly where this hole is.
While you are at it I want you to explain why WTC 7's 14th and 15th floors were in the months and weeks leading up to 9/11 heavily fortified with bomb proof glass facing the twin towers.
They have since claimed it was a bunker for Mayor Giuliani in case of terrorist attacks would you believe, which he took the opportunity not to use on the day of the attacks!
I want you to explain why these two mysterious fires started given that no windows had been smashed on the corresponding floors, even if they had been that is no reason for a fire to start.
Why did the automatic sprinkler system conveniently fail to activate and extinguish these fires?
Why did the then new WTC lease holder Larry Silverstein clearly state in a TV interview a year after the attacks that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack? The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives.
Photos taken moments before the collapse of WTC 7 show small office fires on just two floors.
Firefighters were told to move away from the building moments before it collapsed.
In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million!
Explain to everyone why buildings that didn't belong or weren't insured by Silverstein holdings and that were right beside the twin towers and sustained massive damage - far more damage than WTC 7 - didn't collapse into their own footprints at near free fall speed, they didn't even catch fire!
Yet this WTC 7 building - which was by the way the strongest building on the WTC site being fortified with solid cross section girders rather than the 'H' type because it straddled the a major electrical substation - was conveniently demolished, explosive streamers and charges can be seen all over the front of the building and charges running up the sides. The penthouse fell in first as the the building was eviscerated from the inside.
Unfortunately, we may never know what happened because much to the NYFD's anger, the steel from the WTC was immediately shipped off before almost any major examination had been done to check for the possibility of explosives.
"Some 185,101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from ground zero. The city's hasty move has outraged many victims' families who believe the steel should have been examined more thoroughly. Last month fire experts told congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped so far, without being examined because investigators did not have authority to preserve wreckage" .
One investigator of the WTC told New York Times, "this is almost the dream team of engineers in the country working on this, and our hands are tied." The member asked not to be identified because members have been "threatened with dismissal for speaking to the press". "FEMA is controlling everything," the team member said .
More later....
I look forward to your ballot and seeing this 'twenty story hole' in the WTC 7 - something that everyone else in America apart from yourself seems to have missed.
PS. By the way folks - just for the record, I'm pretty certain I know what his wild 20 story hole exaggeration is about, it's some minor superficial damage on one of the corners of the building,that did not have any impact whatsoever on the enormously strong steel framework of this building - so his bullshit about planes weakenig it don't wash here - you'll see it if he has the balls to post the ballot.
If he tries to claim that this is why the building fell then he is in cloud cuckoo land, especially when one considers that weaker buildings which sustained WW2 blitzkrieg type damage and that were right beside the twin towers but weren't insured by Siverstein didn't, surprise surprise, collapse or catch fire.
Post the ballot and the pic - NOW!
What's keeping you if it's such convincing evidence?
WELL?
Ken,
why are you relying on a supposed ballot to settle this? Why not simply spend a little quality time doing some real research for yourself.
I recommend not using just sites or sources that are pro-conspiracy claims because you wont get a balanced opinion.
Post the ballot chicken little, what are you afraid of???
- EH?
"The result of court ruling: Silverstein makes a huge profit off of the 9/11 attacks."
So, I take it you believe the Jews masterminded the 9-11 "attacks" then? As we know from well-placed Middle Eastern sources (whom I needn't attribute, of course), there were no Jews in either building on the day of their "collapse" from the "terrorist attack."
Brilliant job of deduction there, Baker Street irregular.
Did you look at the 100 or so firefighters statements Ken?
Are you calling the NYPD liars? Are they in on it as well?
"For instance I posted ten dodged questions last week to wolfnipple chips - he had attempted to debunk a ballot of mine but left out all the answers to the awkward questions posed"
ACtually I answered the first 6 in order, but never got round to the last set, by which time widehead had addresses them already. What would be the point the point of spamming a ballot with a duplicate sets of answers?
Only you do that.
This can't be a jenny17 ballot (tm) ... it provides ability to add unvetted choices!
Who are you and what have you done with jenny17?!?
"The result of court ruling: Silverstein makes a huge profit off of the 9/11 attacks."
So, I take it you believe the Jews masterminded the 9-11 "attacks" then?  -WTF! - KFD
Brilliant job of deduction there, Baker Street irregular.
by Felix about Felix
- said Felix the idiot looking in the mirror, and I still don't want to see your wage slip or tax returns DUH.
Felix once offered to post me his tax returns to prove to me how much he earns, what a sad little man.
Did you look at the 100 or so firefighters statements Ken?
Are you calling the NYPD liars? Are they in on it as well?
^^^ 75% of NYFD and NTPD now believe 9/11 was an inside job, suck on that nipple.
So, no comments on the 100 or so firefighters commenting on the huge fires, the huge damage and the danger of collapse then?
LOADS OF COMMENTS ...SUCK ON THESE NIPPLES... THE TASTE WILL BE SOMEWHAT SOUR TO YOU NO DOUBT...BUT SURE AS YOU CAN ONLY KNOW YOURSELF...THE TRUTH IS BITTER, ESPECIALLY FOR BIG TITS LIKE YOURSELF....
A 9/11 toxic dust whistleblower, ground zero hero Major Mike McCormack says he was deliberately targeted for helping release documents on EPA government cover-up, and says 75% of police, firemen believe 9/11 is a cover - up, McCormack,
a ground zero hero and one of the individuals influential in the release of documents proving a government cover-up that deliberately put police, firemen and rescue personnel at risk, has been raided by a New York SWAT team - who ransacked his home for three hours after he was arrested.
Major Mike McCormack is a hospital technician and civil air patrol pilot who worked the ground zero site for eight days after the collapse of the twin towers.
He is one of the real heroes of 9/11 and was the man who found the American flag that was later displayed as a token of unity atop the rubble.
“I’ll tell you what gave this whole thing away was building 7. Not only was it amazing, it bore reality to the truth of the situation that something was not right here.… we all witnessed the most perfect example of controlled demolitions to ever be caught on camera. It could not be proved that building 7 fell due to fire. My friend and I were standing there in the SCIF watching in uninterruptible awe with all those other military members; watching building 7 fall perfectly onto its footprint; my friend stating that it was beautifully done.
We all knew then we all realized that this was not some group of unorganised cave dwellers from Afghanistan orchestrating a perfect hit on American soil. It was impossible.”
-NYPD Sergeant Lauro Chavez, speaking to the editor of the Cincinnati Post
FDNY Captain Dennis Tardio:
"I hear an explosion and I look up. It is as if the building is being imploded, from the top floor down, one after another, boom, boom, boom."
Here are some other NYFD eyewitness accounts;
Chief Frank Cruthers:
“There was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse."
Wall Street Journal reporter John Bussey:
“I . . . looked up out of the office window to see what seemed like perfectly synchronized explosions coming from each floor. . . . One after the other, from top to bottom, with a fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces.”
Another Wall Street Journal reporter:
‘My God, they’re going to bring the building down.’ And they, whoever they are, HAD SET CHARGES. . . . I saw the explosions.”
Beth Fertig of WNYC Radio:
“It just descended like a timed explosion-like when they are deliberately bringing a building down. . . . It was coming down so perfectly that in one part of my brain I was thinking...They got everyone out, and they're bringing the building down because they have to.'”
Teresa Veliz:
“There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. . . . There was another explosion. And another. I didn't know where to run."
Steve Evans:
“I was at the base of the second tower . . . that was hit. . . . There was an explosion. . . . The base of the building shook. . . . there was a series of explosions.”
Thomas Turilli:
“...it almost sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight."
Craig Carlsen:
“...heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. . . . We then realized the building started to come down.”
Edward Cachia:
“As my officer and I were looking at the south tower, it just gave. It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. . . . we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.”
Assistant Commissioner Stephen Gregory:
“I thought . . . before . . . came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . .
Lieutenant Evangelista . . . asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw.”
Captain Karin Deshore:
“Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash.”...“Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building."
NYFD Firefighter Richard Banaciski:
“...there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.”
Deputy Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick:
"We looked up at the . . . . All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up . . . . It looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. . . . My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV."
NYFD Captain Jay Swithers:
“I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion.”
NYFD Battalion Chief Brian Dixon:
“I was . . . hearing a noise and looking up. . . . the lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because . . . everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out."
NYFD Firefighter Stephen Viola: “You heard like loud booms . . . "
Battalion Chief Dominick DeRubbio: “It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion."
Firefighter Kenneth Rogers:
"here was an explosion in the south tower. . . . I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93."
Auxiliary NYFD Lieutenant Fireman Paul Isaac:
“...there were definitely bombs in those buildings...” Isaac added: “...many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.”
The 9-11 Commission of pure farce:
William Rodriguez: "I met with the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and they essentially discounted everything I said regarding the use of explosives to bring down the north tower.”...“I contacted NIST . . . four times without a response. Finally, I asked them before they came up with their conclusion . . . if they ever considered my statements or the statements of any of the other survivors who heard the explosions. They just stared at me with blank faces.”
NYFD Firefighter Louie Cacchioli:
“I felt like I was being put on trial in a court room” .... “They were trying to twist my words and make the story fit only what they wanted to hear. All I wanted to do was tell the truth and when they wouldn’t let me do that, I walked out.”
If anyone is interested in researching the actual correct quotes which Ken has just abused, look at ballot 104239
im a soldier. i believe that islaamic extreemists were responsible for 9/11...thats extreemists not ALL muslims before anyone gets in a huff. Widehead your usually so anti america and british war policy and pro immigration...this is a different stance from you.
As a british soldier i'll hapily take the war to these evil scumbags. BUT jenny dont forget Bush is a puppet for the scumbags in his cabinet. Educate yourself.
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