COMMENTS:
Why limit the voting when you refuse to limit the number of times you pose the same question in different ballots?
12 'No' votes
2 'Yes' votes
I think that is as accurate as the ballots going to get.
Watch the muliple votes come in from the conspiracy theorists as soon as 24hrs is up.
Voted : YES
There are way too many coincidences for it not to be a scam.
^There were just as many coincidences between the Abraham Lincoln Assassination and the John F. Kennedy Assassination which were seperated by almost 100 years, and I doubt that the two assassinations were related in any way whatsoever.
If coincidence equals involvement, then I guess that I'm guilty of stabbing Julius Ceasar, because we happen to have lived on the same planet. Coincidence or scam???
The British must have attacked Pearl Harbor on 12/7/1941 because Great Britain and Japan are both islands. Coincidence or scam???
Here is the real fact. U.S. Government involvement in the planning and execution of the 9/11/2001 attacks = TOTAL NONSENSE, regardless of any coincidences.
Voted : No
No, there is no evidence of this.
It's a 100% CERTAINTY that a faction of the US government was involved, just google 'PNAC 9/11' to find out who they are, and that that is why 86% of the American people who in a recent CBS/New York Times poll expressed their belief that the US Government is indeed telling them FICTION about their involvement that day - lying to them in other words about the events of 9/11 - the same reason why over half of the late victim's families tried to sue George Bush recently, but failed, only bacause the judge ruled it unconstitutional to uphold a lawsuit against a sitting president.
Tiocfaidh ar La families of 9/11 victims.
PLEASE SIGN THIS ONLINE PETITION FOR FOUR WIDOWS IMPLORING THE US GOVERNMENT TO TELL THEM, THE OTHER FAMILIES AND ALL OTHER AMERICANS THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11.
petitiononline. com/july10/ petition.html
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Here is an email I received from four widows of victims of 9/11 who want the truth about certain events that occurred on 9/11 from the people responsible for their husband's live's and deaths that day;
Patty Casazza, Monica Gabrielle, Mindy Kleinberg, LoriernVan Auken -- Please help us break the 100k mark with this important petition andrnuse it to build support for a new investigation in the new year. Please forwardrnand post widely
All American Citizens,
Please join us by adding your name to the online petition at the link below. If
you experience problems with the link, copy and paste into your browser.
Please pass this on!
Thank you,
Patty Casazza
Monica Gabrielle
Mindy Kleinberg
Lorie Van Auken
Public's Right To Know - Declassification and Release of Documents
To: U. S. Congress; Press/Media
We, the undersigned, demand the immediate declassification and release of all
transcripts and documents relating to the July 10, 2001 meeting that took place
between former CIA Director George Tenet and then National Security Advisor,
Condoleezza Rice. It has been alleged that this urgent and out-of-the-ordinary
meeting was called to discuss the increasingly dire warnings of an imminent al
Qaeda attack within the U.S.
Given that much of the July 10, 2001 meeting has already been made public in Bob
Woodward’s newly released book, “State of Denial”, it is unacceptable to
continue to keep these documents and transcripts hidden from the American
public’s view.
In addition, we again call for the declassification and release of both the
redacted 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks of September
11, 2001 (JICI) and the CIA Inspector General’s report, “CIA Accountability With
Respect To The 9/11 Attacks”.
The disastrous nature of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks warrant the
release of all of this information so that the American public may learn what
its government did or did not do to protect them. Had this nation been properly
warned of the looming and imminent terrorist threat, life saving choices could
have been made that day.
Sincerely,
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petitiononline. com/july10/ petition.html
12 'No' votes
2 'Yes' votes
I think that is as accurate as the ballots going to get.
by wolf_nipple_chips
- Wrong again as always.
Watch the muliple votes come in from the conspiracy theorists as soon as 24hrs is up.
by wolf_nipple_chips
^^^ Now that's what you call a conspiracy theory! 
So you gonna sign the petition Nipple? 
I see it's 50-50 on the WHoK's ballot that inspired this one, at least Lovely wasn't afraid to allow comments.
Sure who'd be afraid of the truth?
 "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists, *which just means you're fucked either way"
* KFD addendum
" If coincidence equals involvement, then I guess that I'm guilty of stabbing Julius Ceasar, because we happen to have lived on the same planet. Coincidence or scam???
The British must have attacked Pearl Harbor on 12/7/1941 because Great Britain and Japan are both islands. Coincidence or scam??? "
You're equivocating patently absurd strawmen aruguments to something too complex with uncertainties to dismiss.It's not unreasonable to concider complicity of a handfull of government officials to the 9/11 attacks.How absurd NOT to concider.
Voted : YES
Obviously, since the government and the mass media did everything possible to hide evidence of controlled demolition (eg. not allowing independent scientific & engineering organizations any access to the WTC rubble and steel)... the government have also not released 9/11 video camera footage around the Pentagon, they suppressed eyewitness testimony and scientific evidence of explosions being seen/heard/felt (especially on earthquake seismic sensors at nearby Universities)...
Generally, there has been a big media blackout of the real truth of what happened on 9/11.
The Government Funded FEMA & NIST reports were also a big cover-up job like the 9/11 Commission Report, and did not even investigate how WTC 7 collapsed 7 hours after the Twin Towers collapsed, and these reports did not even try to explain how so much MOLTEN METAL (requiring over 1532 C temperatures to melt steel) could end up in the basements of all 3 WTC buildings that collapsed on 9/11... NOTHING! NO INVESTIGATIONS WERE DONE ON THESE FACTS!
Watch these must-see movies:
prisonplanet . com / articles/ October2006/ 211006Deception. htm
truth911 . net
9/11 Mysteries is the best movie about September 11
seeloose change . com
is also another excellent documentary.
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YES, THE WHOLE THING STINKS OF A COVERUP!
Obviously, since the government and the mass media did everything possible to hide evidence of controlled demolition (eg. not allowing independent scientific & engineering organizations any access to the WTC rubble and steel)... the government have also not released 9/11 video camera footage around the Pentagon, they suppressed eyewitness testimony and scientific evidence of explosions being seen/heard/felt (especially on earthquake seismic sensors at nearby Universities)...
Generally, there has been a big media blackout of the real truth of what happened on 9/11.
The Government Funded FEMA & NIST reports were also a big cover-up job like the 9/11 Commission Report, and did not even investigate how WTC 7 collapsed 7 hours after the Twin Towers collapsed, and these reports did not even try to explain how so much MOLTEN METAL (requiring over 1532 C temperatures to melt steel) could end up in the basements of all 3 WTC buildings that collapsed on 9/11... NOTHING! NO INVESTIGATIONS WERE DONE ON THESE FACTS!
Watch these must-see movies:
prisonplanet . com / articles/ October2006/ 211006Deception. htm
truth911 . net
9/11 Mysteries is the best movie about September 11
seeloose change . com
is also another excellent documentary.
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Why Investigate 9/11 ?
911truth. org/ article.php? story=200 6081709 4039227
9/11 Mysteries
video. google. com/ videoplay? docid= -67081900 71483512003
Alex Jones' Terror Storm
video. google. com/ videoplay? docid=-70 4857275 7566726569
Loose Change ver 2
seeloose change. com
Improbable collapse
video. google.com /videoplay? docid=40260 73566596731782
Good videos
belowground surface. org
truth911 . net
plaguepuppy. net / public_html /collapse %20update/
Scientific research
prison planet. com/ articles/ October2006/ 211006 Deception. htm
scholarsfor 911truth. org /WhyIndeed DidtheWorld TradeCenter Buildings Completely Collapse. pdf
(Requires Adobe PDF Reader, download and install it from adobe . com )
st911 . org
911research. wtc7.net /wtc / analysis /fires /steel . html
911research . com / sept11 / evidence . html
911research . com / wtc / evidence / rubblefires . html
911research . com / wtc / evidence / moltensteel . html
FACT 1: Melting point of iron (steel) : 1532 C.
FACT 2: Burning temperature of hydrocarbon fuels in air: 250 C
FACT 3: At 250 C, steel does not lose any of its strength. At
600 C, steel is around 50% of its maximum room temperature
strength, but these temperatures cannot be reached by air
fires simply because there is not enough oxygen in 101.3 kPa
or 1 atmosphere normal air pressure. (oxygen makes up only
about 19% of the air we breathe, inert gas nitrogen 80%)
911research . wtc7 .net/ wtc/ analysis/ fires/ steel. html
FACT 4: Most of us drive in cars that use internal combustion
engines which contain high pressure explosions and raging
hot fires; even the pistons are made of iron. The same
kind of material used for barbeque grills! We all use steel
cooking pots and frying pans, constantly exposed to gas stove
fires, to cook our food every day. What about steam engine
boilers exposed to fires! Do they fail, or go all soft and
mushy due to air fire alone? NO! Also, why is it that air-cooled
motorcycle engines made of iron DO NOT GO SOFT & MELT?
Have you ever been able to melt solid aluminium into molten
liquid metal using fire? Go on and try it. If you can, you
have proven that your flame temperatures can exceed 660 C, the
melting point of aluminium. If not, then there is NO WAY THAT
AIR FIRE CAN REACH 1532 C and create giant pools of molten
metal in all the basements of all 3 WTC buildings that collapsed
on 9/11... which stayed sizzling hot at red to orange hot
temperatures (between 700 C to 1100 C) for up to 6-WEEKS after
the collapses, despite a lot of water being pumped into the hot
oven-like basements to try to cool down the once-molten steel.
Even the rubber boots of clean up crews were MELTING due to the
intense heat under the WTC rubble, several weeks after 9/11...
Can air fires make solid concrete explode into fine powder after a 1 hour delay period?
FACT 5: Concrete has a tensile yield strength over 4000 psi (around 27 MPa to 42 MPa) and is much stronger
in compression.
FACT 6: Air fires burn at around 250 C, much much lower than the melting point of concrete (between 1800C -
2500 C)
FACT 7: When a solid concrete column or pillar fails under intense
vertical loading stress, it will crack and try to slide along a
45 degree angle fracture plane, known in "Solid Mechanics" studies
as the "Plane of Maximum Shear Stress". This fracture surface is
at 45 degrees to the direction of loading and appear fairly flat
and planar, because brittle materials tend to fail catastrophically
by rapid crack propagation and the 45 degree angle offers the highest
shear stress direction for cracking to occur. Concrete will NOT FAIL
by exploding into a giant cloud of fine dust particles. This has NEVER
been observed in any fire experiments, or in any hydraulic compression
failure tests. In fact, very little crushed powder is actually found,
and the failed test pieces still appear as strong solid pieces, like
2 halves of the original specimen, still intact. If the WTC Twin Towers
did fail due to vertical loading caused by gravity, where are the large
concrete boulders? Where are all the large floor slabs? Where are all
the "pancakes" of solid floors that should be left over sitting one on
top of each other, like McDonald's pancakes? Why are there NO solid
concrete floor slabs remaining? How did ALL THE SUPER STRONG building
materials turn into molten iron and giant clouds of concrete powder?
How could so much concrete powder be created as the WTC Twin Towers were falling, if they stood strong and
stable for over 56 minutes to about 80 minutes after jet plane impacts? Also, how did Building 7 just
collapse into itself 7 hours after the twin towers collapsed, when it was not hit by any plane? How could
all the explosions of concrete powder appear, even before the collapses started?
ANSWER: Pre-planted controlled demolition explosives being triggered sequentially, so that all the support
steel could be sliced quickly with cutter charges (like thermite) and any concrete columns could be blasted
away by explosives, to allow a free-fall (zero resistance) vertical collapse.
DEPROGRAM YOUR BRAIN & TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE BEEN FOOLED AND LIED TO BY YOUR MASS MEDIA & THE US
GOVERNMENT
Think about this for one moment...
Air-cooled Motorcycle engines, especially the cylinder walls and pistons, are constantly exposed to fuel
fire, explosions, even when idling and when the engine is not being cooled by moving air... right?
How come these iron components DO NOT SOFTEN, BECOME RUBBERY & WEAKEN DUE TO FIRES & EXPLOSIONS?
Even 2-stroke lawn mower combustion engines are made of the same type of materials.
The same goes for steel barbeque grills, hotplates, frying pans and steam engines, constantly exposed to
fire...
Can you also explain how Building 7 could just COLLAPSE RIGHT DOWN TO THE GROUND LEVEL, INTO ITSELF, about 7
hours after the Twin Towers collapsed, when it was NOT HIT BY ANY PLANE & DID NOT SUFFER ANY MAJOR
STRUCTURAL DAMAGE? How can 2 small fires do that to a huge 47-storey sky scraper!!! And how did so much
molten metal end up in the basements of all 3 WTC buildings, which means temperatures must have exceeded
1532 C in order to melt all that steel, which stayed hot at temperatures between 700 C to 1100 C up to 6
weeks after 9/11 !!! 6 WEEKS! Have you ever seen Jet fuel make a plane fly for over 6 WEEKS WITHOUT
REFUELLING!?? ESPECIALLY A JET PLANE THAT EXPLODED IN A GIANT FIREBALL FIRST?
WHY DON'T THEY ALL GO WEAK AND SOFT AND RUBBERY?
NOTICE THE 45 TO 60 DEGREE SLICED STEEL COLUMNS!
PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF STEEL CUTTING CHARGES USED ON WTC STEEL
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what really happened . com / wtc2_ cutter . html
you've lost, ken. give it up. you can't protect them.
Nobody knows who exactly planned and masterminded the 9/11 attacks, but it definitely involved the Bush government, because they did everything possible to "allow it to happen" (eg. preventing intercepter jets from scrambling and destroying those planes - because Donald Rumsfeld changed the rules of engagement for jet fighters to intercept hijacked aircraft, about a month before 9/11 happened... requiring that ONLY THE SECRETARY OF DEFENCE, YES, THE S.O.D., RUMSFELD - THE SOD HIMSELF, CAN APPROVE A SHOOT-DOWN ORDER!!!)
Also, the mass media and the US Government have been doing everything possible to avoid a serious scientific investigation of the WTC collapses so the general public will not learn things like:
truth911 . net
belowground surface . org
Watch 9/11 Mysteries and
Improbable Collapse movies
Scientists found evidence of
thermite (thermate) steel cutting
charge byproducts, used to cut the
steel of the 3 WTC buildings that
collapsed.
Cleanup crews had to wait several
weeks to clean out the basements,
because the 3 WTC buildings that
collapsed on 9/11 each had giant
pools of orange-hot (700-1100 C)
once-molten metal under the debris,
which stayed very hot for up to
SIX WEEKS after 9/11.
Remember that for steel to melt, it
requires temperatures above 1532 C,
but air fires cannot heat metals
above 600 C, but typically only
heat up metals to about 233-300 C.
(Not enough to melt glass or even
Aluminium; at 660 C melting point)
Also, air fire cannot make solid
concrete EXPLODE even before the
downward movements of the buildings
even start.
Steel columns at Ground Zero and at
the ground levels of all WTC
buildings that collapsed, appear
sliced along straight edges with
black melted metal near the edges,
where the cut edges are at 45-60
degrees, to allow easy collapse of
the steel columns. (Typical of
most controlled demolition
operations)
All of the above FACTS are clearly
seen on collapse videos & photos
taken by clean up crews and eye
witnesses.
Big steel columns from the twin
towers were flung long distances,
hundreds of meters away, and ended
up embedded in the sides of other
tall buildings. How could these
steel columns generate so much
horizontal acceleration forces,
when gravity only points downwards?
Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang
sounds, occurring in rapid
succession, can be heard as you see
horizontal explosions shooting out
of the North Tower, just before it
collapses. (Watch the 9/11
documentary very closely and listen
for the sounds)
Molten iron metal is seen dripping
out of the South Tower (indicating
> 1532C + temperatures created by
a chemical cutting process, eg.
like thermate reacting with the
steel columns to weaken them all).
(MOLTEN IRON because it glowed
white and yellow hot, unlike silver
or grey, the colour of molten
Aluminium). This molten iron was
melted away by thermate at those
45-60 degree angles, just before
the explosions were detonated in
rapid sequence, to weaken ALL
north, south, east & west walls of
columns SIMULTANEOUSLY in order to
allow a vertical free-fall collapse
to occur (without allowing the
towers to lean over on an angle
which could destroy neighbouring
buildings)...
Magnitude 2.0 and 2.1 earthquakes
were measured by nearby seismic
monitoring labs, levels that are
typical of building demolition
operations... ground coupled
explosions are used to weaken the
foundations of tall buildings.
Watch it all on the 9/11 Mysteries
video.
truth911 . org
anyone who thinks the US government wills the deaths of thousands of americans, as an excuse to wage war on iraq is a total retard.
We are America and we dont need an excuse to attack someone.
The muliple votes are coming in thick and fast now.
{anyone who thinks the US government wills the deaths of thousands of americans...
by Elashia on Fri Oct 27, 06 8:24pm}
How many American citizens dead in the Iraq War, Elasha? Do you see any of the rich oil barons kids fighting over there?
What was the reason for going there in the first place again??? You don't mean those LIES about WMDs in Iraq, or those LIES about the FORGED Niger Documents, or those LIES about bioweapons labs on trucks, do you?
Gee, it doesn't look the people in the Bush Administration CARE ANYTHING AT ALL about American lives except their own.
{Why limit the voting....
by Tode1 on Thu Oct 26, 06 6:16am}
Tode1, yes you are a toad.
I never limited the comments. I believe that someone else DIDN'T ALLOW ANY COMMENTS on their ballot that is similar to this.
you've lost, murderer. give it up. nothing you can do will protect your masters from getting what they've earned.
Neothe1, only IDIOTS would believe that cellphones can make successful calls from planes flying six miles up at over 450mph without an onboard cellular basetstation (technology which wasn't developed until AFTER 2004!)
I've yet to see any of you "Arabs did it" morons name a single example of a steel-framed HI-RISE building collapsing STRAIGHT-DOWN into it's own footprint before or after 9/11 WITHOUT A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION being responnsible? Please do so.
Or are you STILL trying to pretend that 9/11 was a MIRACLE DAY when 3 buildings managed to do what no other steel-framed hi-rise buildings have EVER DONE IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF STEEL-FRAMED HI-RISE BUILDINGS?!
By the way, can you cite a mathemtical simulation or computer simulation of those collapses THAT ACTUALLY WORKS and shows rhat there was energy for gravitational collapses for ALL THREE BUILDINGS?
Nobody else can!
Lovelynice, you may wish to have a look at the flight 93 cockpit transcript, released after the Moussaoui trial. 10 minutes after the plane is hijacked, and a good 15 minutes before it crashed, the pilots are heard saying "down, down, down" followed shortly by "seven thousand".
Proof, that the plane was not at 35,000 all the time, in fact it was no where near 35,000 for a large portion of the flight.
i . a . cnn . net / cnn / 2006 / images / 04 / 12 / flight93 . transcript . pdf
Lets for the sake of argument say that Project Achilles is reliable.
In the report it is stated that there a is 1 in 10 chance of people getting through at 8,000.
How do you know there were not 100 attempted phonecalls, and only 10 got through? You don't!!
So...Mr Wolf, why are SOOOOOOO SELECTIVE avoiding the EXACT TIME the calls THEMSELVES were made???
Let's move onto the heights at which those alleged CELLPHONE calls were made...
FLIGHT 93
United Airlines Flight 93
According to the 9-11 Commission's account:
"the first 46 minutes of Flight 93’s cross-country trip proceeded routinely. Radio communications from the plane were normal. Heading, speed, and altitude ran according to plan. At 9:24, Ballinger’s warning to United 93 was received in the cockpit. Within two minutes, at 9:26, the pilot, Jason Dahl, responded with a note of puzzlement: “Ed, confirm latest mssg plz—Jason.”70 The hijackers attacked at 9:28. While traveling 35,000 feet above eastern Ohio, United 93 suddenly dropped 700 feet. Eleven seconds into the descent, the FAA’s air traffic control center in Cleveland received the first of two radio transmissions from the aircraft...."
The Report claims that passengers started placing calls with cell and air phones shortly after 9.32am, four minutes after the Report's confirmation of the plane's attitude of 35,000 feet. In other words, the calls started some 9 minutes before the Cleveland Center lost UAL 93’s transponder signal (9.41) and approximately 30 minutes before the crash in Pennsylvania (10.03)
There was no indication from the Report that the aircraft had swooped down to a lower level of altitude, apart from the 700 feet drop recorded at 9.28. from a cruising altitude of 35,000 feet. Shortly after the alleged hijacking commences, the passengers and flight crew allegedly began a series of calls from GTE airphones and cellular phones.
The alleged call (strangely not mentioned in the Report) by Edward Felt from the toilet of the aircraft of UAL 93 was answered by Glenn Cramer, the emergency supervisor in Pennsylvania who took the call.
"Local emergency officials said they received a cell phone call at 9.58 am from a man who said he was a passenger aboard the flight. The man said he had locked himself in the bathroom and told emergency dispatchers that the plane had been hijacked. "We are being hijacked! We are being hijacked!" he was quoted as saying.
So, the ALLEGED cellphone calls from Flight 93 were made while the plane was at cruising altitude between 34,000 to 35,000 feet.
In other words, they were IMPOSSIBLE and therefore could only be FAKE.
Then there's FLIGHT 175
United Airlines Flight 175 departed for Los Angeles at 8:00:
"It pushed back from its gate at 7:58 and departed Logan Airport at 8:14."
The Report confirms that by 8:33, "it had reached its assigned cruising altitude of 31,000 feet." According to the Report, it maintained this cruising altitude until 8.51, when it "deviated from its assigned altitude":
"The first operational evidence that something was abnormal on United 175 came at 8:47, when the aircraft changed beacon codes twice within a minute. At 8:51, the flight deviated from its assigned altitude, and a minute later New York air traffic controllers began repeatedly and unsuccessfully trying to contact it."
And one minute later at 8.52, Lee Hanson receives a call from his son Peter.
"At 8:52, in Easton, Connecticut, a man named Lee Hanson received a phone call from his son Peter, a passenger on United 175. His son told him: “I think they’ve taken over the cockpit—An attendant has been stabbed— and someone else up front may have been killed. The plane is making strange moves. Call United Airlines—Tell them it’s Flight 175, Boston to LA.
Press reports confirm that Peter Hanson was using his cellphone. Unless the plane had suddenly nose-dived, the plane was still at high altitude at 8.52. (Moreover, Hanson's call could have been initiated at least a minute prior to his father Lee Hanson picking up the phone.)
AGAIN, MORE IMPOSSIBLE CELLPHONE CALLS
At the time of ALLEGED cellphone calls, Flight 175 was was still at high altitude, and was still flying well over 500mph, again meaning the cellphone calls were IMPOSSIBLE, and therefore FAKE.
{In the report it is stated that there a is 1 in 10 chance of people getting through at 8,000.
by wolf_nipple_chips on Wed Nov 01, 06 3:14am}
That's nice, and at 10,000 the chance drops dramatically down to 0.02, and is effectively impossible above that height according to most experts. Perhaps you can show us a scientific study that shows that cellphone calls are possible from six miles up and flying at over 450mph WITHOUT an onboard cellular basestation (technology which didn't exist until AFTER 2004).
Try again, you lose.
Voted : YES
definite YES, without any doubt in any way whatsoever!
y is it closed?
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