ARE THERE GOOD GUYS AND BAD GUYS?

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ARE THERE GOOD GUYS AND BAD GUYS?


[+] serious ballot by contragrain
created Thu Nov 16, 06

And, IF there are, are we (as a society) TOO quick to categorize people as ONE or the OTHER based upon the groups with whom they are associated?

In the early 1970's the comic strip POGO made a political statement in reference to pollution of the Okefenokee Swamp which I believe was borrowed from another historical figure in an earlier political battle:
"We have met the enemy, and he is us."

Consider these lyrics, written by Jim Krueger and popularized by Dave Mason:

Been away, haven't seen you in a while.
How've you been?
Have you changed your style and do you think
That we've grown up differently? Don't seem the same
Seems you've lost your feel for me

So let's leave it alone, 'cause we can't see eye to eye.
There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys.
There's only you and me and we just disagree.
Ooo - ooo - ooohoo oh - oh - o-whoa

I'm going back to a place that's far away. How bout you?
Have you got a place to stay? Why should I care?
When I'm just trying to get along We were friends
But now it's the end of our love song...

So let's leave it alone, 'cause we can't see eye to eye.
There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys.
There's only you and me and we just disagree.
Ooo - ooo - ooohoo oh - oh - o-whoa

So let's leave it alone, 'cause we can't see eye to eye.
There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys.
There's only you and me and we just disagree.
Ooo - ooo - ooohoo oh - oh - o-whoa

Yes, there are "good" guys and "bad" guys. Erroneous lyric.
No, the song lyric is absolutely correct.
It's up to the individual and has very little to do with groups with whom he/she is associated.
People with my political views are good, people with opposing political views are bad.
People with my religious views are good; people with opposing religious views are bad.
People with my views on sexuality are good, people with opposing views are bad.
other, see comment

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COMMENTS:
Who are the good guys, the bad guys ? It depends on who you ask...
by thesoothsayer on Thu Nov 16, 06 9:54am [+]

There is a gradual spectrum of different mixes of good and bad, but good guys and bad guys is easier to say.
by skylab on Thu Nov 16, 06 12:08pm [+]

Voted : It's up to the individual and has very little to do with groups with whom he/she is associated.
Again, it all falls into the realm of personal responsibility, IMO. You make your own choices where to stand, in this world. Sure, there are those who say that the world comes in shades of grey. I try not to believe that, accent on *try*. As long as you hav eprsoanl responsibility and a working brain, you can look at where you stand and choose for yourself where you want to stand and whom you want to stand with.
by Truthseeker013 on Thu Nov 16, 06 4:43pm [+]

morality is not subjective. harmis evil. lack of harm is not. reduction of harm is good. end of story.
by neothe1 on Thu Nov 16, 06 7:31pm [+]

^I concur with your statement, Neothe. And, Oskar Schindler did "good" at least according to Spielberg, and the people whose lives he helped save; and, HE was also the dreaded "N" word. (NAZI) So, IF you can agree that he (Schindler) was "good" then being a NAZI in 1930's Germany didn't make him "bad"; it is argueable that it was the very fact that he WAS aligned with that party, and was willing to use his priviledge and power for "good", that being associated with them became a tool for becoming a "better" person. That, to me, is an incredibly strange irony. The NAZIs were/are the quintessential "villain," weren't/aren't they? And not just on this site. It's pretty much a popular view anywhere you go.
And, I must concede, Neothe, that Oskar Schindler could easily have claimed that he was a "systemic anomaly" as he related to THAT matrix.
I have no problem with anything you said in the above statement. We're just looking at the question differently.
by contragrain on Fri Nov 17, 06 8:22am [+]

^ (cont.)I have to give you credit in that, in *my* opinion, you answered the "literal" question as well or better than anyone else. However, a great deal of the impetus of this particular ballot is addressing the attitude of too quickly "labeling" people "good" and "bad". (that was included in the first line of the description, and reflected in a set group of closed choices) "Perhaps" I could have worded it differently to better convey that idea; however, judging from some of the other responses, I think they got the gist.
by contragrain on Fri Nov 17, 06 8:36am [+]

with morality being such a simpleconcept, you can label people accurately. unfortunately, that makes most people evil. explicit inaction is as guilty as explicit action.
by neothe1 on Fri Nov 17, 06 5:25pm [+]

I think people carry good and bad within them - People are more than their views or their politics or their religion. They are their own actions, and their intentions. And they can always change.
by audreyanne on Tue Nov 21, 06 8:38am [+]






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