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GUN NUT GERMAN TEEN GOES ON SHOOTING RAMPAGE AT SCHOOL

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GUN NUT GERMAN TEEN GOES ON SHOOTING RAMPAGE AT SCHOOL


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ACTIVE Mon Nov 20, 06 - Sat Aug 15, 09

Eighteen people died when an expelled former pupil went on a shooting spree at his school in the eastern German city of Erfurt.

Masked and dressed in black, the gunman walked through classrooms killing 14 teachers, two schoolgirls and one of the first policemen on the scene before taking his own life.

BBC Berlin correspondent Rob Broomby says the incident is also the worst of its kind in Germany's post-war history.

The German authorities have not given the name of the Erfurt killer but they said he was a 19-year-old who had been expelled from the school several months earlier and told he could not sit his university entrance exam.

When the killer turned up on Friday morning with a pump-action shotgun and a pistol, his former classmates were sitting exams. (BBC)

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Germany has tougher gun laws than the U.S. so this was the worst post-war school shooting in that country, unlike the United States, where this sort of thing is much, much more common.

Ironically, Germany is in the process of tightening restrictions on gun ownership. Given this terrible tragedy, is that a good idea?

Yes, better gun control will decrease these tragedies
No, less gun control won't have an effect
I'm a neocon. Less gun control will mean fewer shootings. Duh!
Gun Control does nothing exept infringe the right of the nations people


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Below is a map of school shootings in the U.S. over ten years

http://www.svrc.net/images/Shootings2005.jpg
by cranky on Mon Nov 20, 06 4:09pm [+]

Voted : Yes, better gun control will decrease these tragedies
If you are prone to temper tantrums, you have no business with a gun. Gun restrictions should extend beyond convicted felons, if you have so much as a minor road rage incident on your record, no guns for you.
by nuckinfutz on Mon Nov 20, 06 4:11pm [+]

Here is a list of U.S. school shootings over that period.

February 2, 1996: Moses Lake, Washington
A 14 year-old shoots a teacher and two students with a rifle.

February 29, 1996: St. Louis, Missouri
A 30 year old man fired into a school bus where two were injured including a pregnant teenager and the bus driver.

February 19, 1997: Bethel, Alaska
A 16 year-old shoots and kills his principal and a student. Two other students are injured.

October 1, 1997: Pearl, Mississippi
A 16 year-old kills his mother, then goes to school and shoots nine others. Two die.

December 1, 1997: West Paducah, Kentucky
A 14 year-old shoots eight students as they pray in school. Three die and one student is left paralyzed.

December 15, 1997: Stamps, Arkansas
An eighth grader is arrested and charged as an adult after he confessed to shooting and wounded two of his fellow students as he hid in the woods outside of a high school.

March 24, 1998: Jonesboro, Arkansas
Two boys ages 11 and 13 shoot fourteen students and one teacher. The teacher and four of the students die.

April 24, 1998: Edinboro, Pennsylvania
A 14 year-old student shoots a teacher to death at a graduation dance.

April 28, 1998: Pomona, California
A 14 year-old shoots three boys. Two are killed.

May 19, 1998: Fayetteville, Tennessee
An 18 year-old shoots and kills a classmate just three days before graduation.

May 21, 1998: Houston, Texas
A 17 year-old’s gun goes off accidentally in his backpack. One girl is shot and wounded.

May 21, 1998: Onalaska, Washington
A 15 year-old takes his girlfriend from a school bus at gunpoint forcing her to go to his house where he uses a gun to commit suicide.

May 21, 1998: Springfield, Oregon
A 15 year-old shoots and kills both parents before going to school and opening fire in the cafeteria. Two students are killed.

June 6, 1998: Columbia, South Carolina
A 14 year old student is arrested after a school shooting that wounded a teacher and elderly volunteer aid.

June 15, 1998: Richmond, Virginia
A 14 year old student is charged as an adult for opening fire in a crowded high school hallway wounding a 45-year-old social studies teacher and a 74-year-old volunteer.

April 20, 1999: Littleton, Colorado
Two boys, ages 16 and 17, shoot 35 students and 1 teacher before committing suicide. Twelve students and the teacher die.

May 20, 1999: Conyers, Georgia
A 15 year-old wounds six classmates. They all survive.

November 19, 1999: Deming, New Mexico
A 12 year-old shoots a classmate in the back of her head. She dies the next day.

December 6, 1999: Fort Gibson, Oklahoma
A 7th grader brings a handgun to school and open fires. Four students are wounded.

February 29, 2000: Mount Morris Township, Michigan
A 6 year-old boy brings a .32 semi-automatic handgun to school killing a first grader.

March 10, 2000: Savannah, Georgia
Two students killed by a 19 year old student while leaving a Beach High School dance.

May 11, 2000: Prairie Grove, Arkansas
A 13 year old seventh-grade student who left the Prairie Grove Junior High school in an apparent fit of rage and a police officer were injured Thursday after shooting each other in an altercation in a hay field north of the student's school.

May 26, 2000: Lake Worth, Florida
A 13 year-old sent home from school returned with a handgun and kills a teacher.

September 26, 2000: New Orleans, Louisiana
A student fought with another student, went home, returned with a gun and killed the student he had fought with in the high school gymnasium.

October 24, 2000: Glendale, Arizona
A teenager held a teacher and 32 students hostage for an hour before surrendering.
by cranky on Mon Nov 20, 06 4:14pm [+]

January 10, 2001: Oxnard, California
A 17 year-old entered school and took a girl hostage in an attempt to persuade police to shoot him. After the SWAT team arrived he was shot dead.

January 17, 2001: Baltimore, Maryland
One student was shot and killed in front of Lake Clifton Eastern High School.

February 14, 2001: In Elmira, New York
A high schools student's plans for a school shooting were foiled after students brought the fact that he had weapons on him to teachers attention. He carried 14 pipe bombs, three smaller bombs, a propane tank, a sawed-off shotgun, a .22 caliber pistol into the school by a duffel bag and also a book bag full of ammunition. On December 17, 2001, Jeremy was sentenced to 8 1/2 years.

March 5, 2001: Santee, California
A 15 year-old opens fire from inside a school bathroom shooting 15 and killing 2.

March 7, 2001: Williamsport, Pennsylvania
A 14 year-old brings his father’s handgun to school and shoots a classmate in the shoulder.

March 22, 2001: El Cajon, California
Three teens and two teachers were wounded at Granite Hills High School by gunfire.

March 30, 2001: Gary, Indiana
A student was shot in the head while waiting for a class to begin.

January 15, 2002: New York, New York
A teenager wounded two students at Martin Luther King Jr. High.

October 4, 2002: San Antonio, Texas
A 13-year-old female middle school student fatally shot herself in the left temple with a 9mm handgun in front of a group of friends in the school parking lot.

November 19, 2002: Hoover, Alabama
Two 17 year old males were reportedly fighting in a hallway when one student pulled a knife and stabbed the other to death.

November, 22, 2002: Dallas, Texas
A 15-year-old male high school student was shot as he and fellow students tried to wrestle a gun away from another 14-year-old student.

December 12, 2002: Seattle, Washington
A 13-year-old male fired a rifle in a middle school, injuring two students with broken glass, and then used the gun to kill himself according to police reports.

December 16, 2002: Chicago, Illinois
An 18-year-old male high school student was fatally shot outside of Englewood High School, while trying to protect his sister from two other male students.

January 22, 2003: Providence, Rhode Island
A 12th-grade male student was arrested for allegedly firing a .22 caliber gun inside the school's cafeteria after an assistant principal had broken up a fight. The shot was fired toward the ceiling and no one was injured.

January 30, 2003: St. Paul, Minnesota
A 14-year-old female middle school student was stabbed in the shoulder and two teenage males were taken into custody following a confrontation at the school.

February 5, 2003: Westminster, Colorado
A 14-year-old male freshman was taken into custody after several shots were fired in a high school courtyard.

March 17, 2003: Guttenberg, Iowa
A 17-year-old walked into his high school principal's office, thanked the principal for listening to his problems stating "talking would no longer help," pulled out a .22 caliber rifle from underneath his coat, and shot himself in the stomach.

April 1, 2003: Washington, DC
A 16-year-old male high school student was shot in the leg during a lunchtime argument with another 15-year-old student who fled afterwards and later turned himself in to police.

April 16, 2003: Addison, Texas
A 12-year-old female student committed suicide by shooting herself in a private school restroom.

April 23, 2003: Houston, Texas
A 16-year-old male high school student received a 6 to 7 inch slash wound in the chest during a fight with other students outside his high school during lunch period.

April 24, 2003: Red Lion, Pennsylvania
A 14-year-old male junior high school student shot and killed his principal inside a crowded cafeteria and then killed himself with a second gun according to police

September 24, 2003: Cold Spring, Minnesota
One student is dead and another hospitalized after a shooting in a Minnesota high school. A physical education teacher, Mark Johnson, talked the student into surrendering.

August 14, 2003: Columbus Georgia
A 14-year-old girl went back to her middle school to visit her old teachers. While she was there, a fight broke out between two boys, each 13, in the woods behind the school. Several students went into the woods to watch and the girl went with them. During the fight, one of the boys pulled out a gun and opened fire. As the students fled, one of the bullets struck the girl killing the high school co-ed.

August 30, 2004: Maywood, Illinois
A 22-year-old male brother of a high school student was killed in a possible gang related shooting in a high school student parking lot while waiting to pick up his brother around 2:30 p.m.

September 2004: Memphis, Tennessee
A 15-year-old male eighth grade student died after a fight in a high school restroom. Six teenagers were subsequently charged with homicide. Prosecutors reported that the incident allegedly involved a gang initiation in which the victim had agreed to fight, but the fight got “out of hand” according to reports. Those charged were aged thirteen, fourteen, and fifteen.

October 7, 2004: Newburyport, Massachusetts
A 15-year-old male high school student shot and killed himself outside of his high school around 10:00 p.m. He was reportedly despondent after a falling out with a female student.

November 17, 2004: Hempstead, New York
A 17-year-old high school student was stabbed to death two blocks from the school during a lunch hour altercation with six to eight youths. Police were investigating whether the incident was gang related.

November 22, 2004: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
An 18-year-old former student was shot and killed, and two current female students were injured, in a shooting outside of a North Philadelphia high school.

November 24, 2004: Valparaiso, Indiana
James Lewerke, a 15-year-old student at Valparaiso High School in northern Indiana, pulled two knives and stabbed seven of his classmates. None of the injuries was life threatening.

December 10, 2004: Nine Mile Falls, Washington
A 16-year-old male high school junior shot himself in the head and later died in an act of suicide committed at the high school's entryway around 1:20pm during a school day. The school was placed in lockdown and students were later released. A canister holding fireworks, shotgun shells, and rifle cartridges was found in a backpack belonging to the student around 3:30pm.

March 21, 2005: Red Lake, Minnesota
Jeff Weise, 16, killed grandfather and companion, and then arrived at school where he killed a teacher, a security guard, 5 students, and finally himself, leaving a total of 10 dead.
by cranky on Mon Nov 20, 06 4:14pm [+]

Voted : Yes, better gun control will decrease these tragedies
Maybe I'm naive in my belief, but guns are a myth that needs dealing with big time.
by Truthseeker013 on Mon Nov 20, 06 5:01pm [+]

What TS said! ^^^^
Guns are pathetic, anyone can shoot a gun, they can threaten and kill someone with this little metal stick they have.
Then all the people who are scared of those idiots have to get one too.
Then they all still think their "men"
by Jyl on Mon Nov 20, 06 5:40pm [+]

Fight like a man! Sh*t, anyone can just shoot somebody.
by nuckinfutz on Mon Nov 20, 06 7:47pm [+]

www. guzer. com/ videos/ courthouse_ shooting. php


this is why americans shouldn't have guns. guns make a simple burst of anger escalate to murder with ease, especially in a culture where people are taught that it's okay. i heard thatelvis presley carried a revolver, and once in a rage (because somebody was pounding on the door of the bathroom he was in), hedrew it, pointed itbetween the guy's eyes, and pulled the trigger. fortunately, his bodyguard taught him to keep the first chamber empty. but it demonstrates that blind rage and an easy to use killing machine are not a good mix.


by neothe1 on Mon Nov 20, 06 8:27pm [+]

Just because there are bad incidents in a darker subculture, doesnt mean that everyone who owns a gun doesnt know how to use it. Look at the numbers of guns owned and then look at number of incidents involving guns. And for pete's sake quit letting the media portray an entire country of people for you.

The shooting in Germany and the amount of shootings else where doesnt say to me that there's a gun problem. Guns are the symptom. The problem is much deeper. To address it as simply a gun issue would be ignoring the problem. And one day it's going to get far worse than it is now, with or without guns.
by Grumpy_Person on Tue Nov 21, 06 5:11am [+]

"Just because there are bad incidents in a darker subculture, doesnt mean that everyone who owns a gun doesnt know how to use it."


that's the problem. that is how you use them. they are designed to kill people.
by neothe1 on Tue Nov 21, 06 7:40pm [+]

I know that they're designed to kill. But many assume that everyone who owns a gun does so with the intent to kill a person. That couldnt be further from the truth. The main uses that a gun had for the common man when this country was still in it's infancy and forming it's culture (and still today believe it or not) was that of a tool. People had their hammers, their saws, their plows, and their guns. It was just as an important tool to be used on the home as anything else, and it was not posessed with the sole intent on killing people. It was used to obtain food and to protect the home, family, and farm from predators.

And also, one of the first rules that you learn when you take a firearms course is "do not keep a loaded gun in the house" and "do not so much as aim even an unloaded gun at something unless you wish to destroy it". That's how you properly use a gun.

Like I mentioned earlier, we can use our energy on hating guns and arguing about them, or we can put that energy into a more productive use and actually think about why our kids and young adults are killing each other to begin with. That's the real problem.
by Grumpy_Person on Wed Nov 22, 06 3:29am [+]

"But many assume that everyone who owns a gun does so with the intent to kill a person."

since there are very few bear and indian attacks in the united states, and most of the weapons are handguns, yes, they do intend to kill someone. otherwise they wouldn't have them. unless you're a farmer, hunter, soldier, or cop, you don't need a gun. and the last thing people need when they live in a fear-based culture where violence is acceptable is a quick, easy, portable way of killing somebody on impulse.


no guns equals no gun violence. simple as that.
by neothe1 on Wed Nov 22, 06 8:05am [+]

But what causes that violence? Shouldnt that be the real issue? Dont we owe it to those that have died to quit dwelling on a tool and actually step up and ask "why are our kids wanting to kill each other in the first place?"

As for your statement, most of the firearms owned in the U.S. are not hanguns. And most who own firearms do not intend on killing someone. Isn't it a quick generalization to assume that those who do are living in total fear and intend to kill the first person that crosses their path? That's pretty insulting I'd say to the portion of the population who do safely own guns, whether they be for hunting, protection, or sport shooting. Going by that generalization and stereotyping, there should be no one left alive in the rural town I live near. But somehow, our crime rate is extrememly low. I just dont understand why, especially with all the fearful trigger happy gun owners living here.

We gripe and complain about the media all day long, with good cause. Them being biased and telling us what they want us to hear and all. But yet when it comes to different issues, we use that same media's portrayal of statistics and groups to lump everyone into one category. It's akin to asking a diabetic for how much sugar to put into an apple pie. You're not going to get accurate and well represented answers.
by Grumpy_Person on Wed Nov 22, 06 11:35am [+]

"But what causes that violence? Shouldnt that be the real issue?"

no. not until the guns are gone. without a gun, a burst of anger probably wouldn't get violent at all. they might not even raise their voice. with a gun, the same burst of anger becomes murder.
by neothe1 on Wed Nov 22, 06 8:07pm [+]

"without a gun, a burst of anger probably wouldn't get violent at all."
Oh my. You've never been on domestic disturbance calls have you? Or have had to handle an angry teenager in a classroom? Trust me, guns are not needed for a burst of anger to get extremely violent. Or even deadly. Look into the black and blue face of a woman beaten by her husband or a child beaten by his parents and tell me that a gun was probably needed for that.

"with a gun, the same burst of anger becomes murder."
Well, like I said earlier about generalizations... If you have a gun and get extremely angry, would you shoot the person that you're angry at? If not, why would you assume that anyone who owns one does? There's more to the world and any country, culture, or person in it than what is shown on the news, COPS or Clint Eastwood movies.

"no. not until the guns are gone."
Seriously? My god, that's sad. That is very sad that a person's problems would be ignored to focus efforts on banning guns. And it goes for anything. You don't just take away drugs to cure an addict, you don't take away knives to cure a self mutilator, you don't take money away from a compulsive shopper to cure them... The problems go much deeper. And that's exactly why kids keep killing each other.
by Grumpy_Person on Wed Nov 22, 06 9:49pm [+]

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by neothe1 on Thu Nov 23, 06 2:23pm [+]

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