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DOES THE GOVERNMENT PURPOSELY KEEP PEOPLE AT POVERTY LEVEL?

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DOES THE GOVERNMENT PURPOSELY KEEP PEOPLE AT POVERTY LEVEL?


[+] serious ballot by larrynelmira
created Tue Nov 21, 06

You may remember me talking about my elderly great-aunt who lives in a senior citizen apt housing . She receives Social Security as well as Veterans benefits from her deceased husband.

She lives on the poverty line, my father as well as other family members have asked her to move in with them but she is very independent and says no, but she cannot get ahead, when she receives a raise in her Social Security her Veterans benefits are lowered and her rent goes up, it balances out to where she never gets even a dollar more.

I know some of you will say she should have planned for retirement better or she is lucky she gets enough to survive, which is what she is doing, just surviving. I don’t see it that way, things happen in life that no one plans for, she and her husband paid into Social Security all of their lives, they both worked and her Veterans check she receives because her husband was wounded in war, why can’t they be separate, why when she gets an increase in one the other is lowered?

She doesn’t expect to get rich from these checks, but she should at least receive enough to live the last years of her life in dignity, we help her as much as she will let us, but I can tell she hates taking from us and other family members, it just doesn’t seem fair and it seems as though the government is purposely keeping her at the poverty level.

Yes, seems that way
No, she should thank Uncle Sam for giving her enough for food and shelter


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COMMENTS:
I dont think they do it on purpose; elderly people are just not a priority to governments. It's a damn shame to see people who worked hard all their lives having to live with so little though.
Some euro governments pay elderly people a "retirement supplement" which is an important help but not enough in some cases.
by seamus on Tue Nov 21, 06 8:46am [+]

Remember those who are suffering when some politician votes themself a big, fat pay raise.
by _Beelzebubba on Tue Nov 21, 06 9:11am [+]

I think in some cases they do. I'm not sure how they do it, but they do it. I read an article recently about a drug epidemic in the 1980's and the theory was that factions of the government intentionally introduced the drug into the inner-cities.

I don't know how realistic that is, but the article seemed to make a good case for it.
by Beauregard on Tue Nov 21, 06 9:14am [+]

I don't know about the gov, but there are organizations, purpordedly to help the poor, instead keep them poor.
by aya on Tue Nov 21, 06 10:14am [+]

Many government programs, designed to help, have in fact created a great deal of poverty by discouraging hard work, innovation and self-reliance. But I don't think anyone is intentionally keeping the poor.
by herzog on Tue Nov 21, 06 10:22am [+]

^ good point. many good intentioned social programs that are supposed to help people get back on their feet, often have the opposite effect. job training and job placement is the way to go. its all about knowing what skills are in demand and then training the unskilled citizen with those very skills.
by Kev24 on Tue Nov 21, 06 10:34am [+]

Any particular government, or governments in general?
by elvislennon on Tue Nov 21, 06 10:37am [+]

Perhaps. What better way to prevent the proles from rebelling than keep them SO ignorant/uneducated and accustomed to hardship that they dont expect anything better.

Having said that, the whole celebrity worship culture that is prevalent in western society would surely undermine this, as people would want more than they have. Yet the Government does nothing to stop it.

Difficult one.
by Doctordraw on Tue Nov 21, 06 11:10am [+]

I'm not sure how well my 80 year old great-aunt would do in job training, but okay, lets do that and put her back on the work force.
Elvis I mean the US government , I don't know what goes on in the government of other countries. She receives 2 checks, VA and Social Security, they may as well save the administrative cost by just giving one because if she receives an increase in one it decreases in the other.
by larrynelmira on Tue Nov 21, 06 11:26am [+]

Voted : Yes, seems that way
It seems like the wrong way for the feds to save money.
by skylab on Tue Nov 21, 06 12:59pm [+]

"Many government programs, designed to help, have in fact created a great deal of poverty by discouraging hard work, innovation and self-reliance."

Yeah, right. That's why the marjority of the billions of poor people in the world receive huge amounts of government assistance. rolleyes
by cranky on Tue Nov 21, 06 1:26pm [+]

Voted : Yes, seems that way
Scary part- that might be *me* in a few decades...
by Truthseeker013 on Tue Nov 21, 06 4:14pm [+]

Larry

Apologies, my comment was aimed specidifcally at answering the title question, I hadnt actually read the ballot description!

I agree totally, your Great Aunt deserves better, much better. The simple fact is, todays working generation must to some degree bear the financial burden of pensioners today, and they can expect to recieve the benefits in the future themselves. Thats the natural (and the decent and the sensible) way.

Unfortunately, this means raising taxes, something that SOME people have drummed into the head of Joe Bloggs as a cardinal sin. Taxes are relatively low in America, yet the social system isnt providing for your aunt. This refutes the argument that keeping taxes low creates growth in the economy, and thus everyone benefits.

Until the public can stop letting the people in power intimidate them with tax scare stories and negative connotations, the weakest in society will continue to suffer.
by Doctordraw on Tue Nov 21, 06 4:40pm [+]

^The higher degree of overall prosperity in lower tax countries refutes that argument.

First the government forces people to pay into these ponzi schemes, and then they steal from the meager payments they recieve in old age. The government also defines poverty. They deserve most of the blame for its existence.
by thc2883 on Wed Nov 22, 06 5:43am [+]

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