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COMMENTS:
doesn't sound like terrorist activity to me
by aya on Tue Nov 21, 06 11:17am
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Outrage? Hey, they're lucky they weren't removed at 30,000 ft.
I'll be curious to see the response of the rightwingers who were outraged when an Orthodox Jew was tossed off a plane for praying.
I guess we'll be paranoid on planes for years to come.
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by aya on Tue Nov 21, 06 2:50pm
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Voted : no
I don't think this merited being kicked off the plane.
It would be wise for muslims in the future to avoid such displays on airplanes, given. . .well, the penchant many have for acting crazy then blowing up a plane. But they shouldn't be punished simply for praying.
Voted : no
Once more, fear rules...
I've been on several flights where Christians were praying, loudly enough in one case to merit the pilot asking them to quiet it down. Now *that* comes closer to terrorism than this, IMO...
Voted : yes
Airline pilots can kick anyone off a plane if they feel that person is causing a disturbance. Ten years ago six Muslims praying outloud on a commercial airliner would not have caused a disturbance, but considering the political climate since 9/11, those imams should have exercised some common sense. A flight from Minneapolis to Phoenix isn't very long and they could have waited, as Islam prescribes under such circumstances. What did they expect the other passengers to think?
"Hannoud said in an interview that the men had been attending a three-day meeting of the North American Imams Federation in the Minneapolis area "discussing how to build bridges" between Muslims and American society..." While the other imams were "building bridges", those six guys must have slipped out to go see Borat.
that seat belt thing certainly seems odd.
nice to see someone call them "imams" instead of "clerics" for once.
I agree with Bostonian on this. If a pilot's passengers were worried or concerned, they have every right to not service those in question. These are different times and a large number of people are very fearful of certain actions. I can't blame them. I myself wouldnt be afraid of someone just praying, but that's just me. Those Imams should have at least been more considerate to others knowing that their actions would raise eyebrows.
I'm Buddhist myself, and I hate flying. One of the ways that I ease stress before a flight is to meditate. But guess what. I dont do the full blown lotus position right there in the middle of the airline terminal or the aisle of a plane because I have some respect for others there who may not know what I'm doing and could be frightened.
As for fear. Fear can be a good thing too. Remember the fearful passengers that tackled and restrained a passenger after he was trying to light the explosives in his shoe?
We banned Slavery.
The time is now come to ban Religions.
They're causing too much problems.
Ban them ALL.
Voted : no
aplmac- Your words are also problematic. But Mao and the other Leninist atheist extremists would agree with you. Under their atheist crusade many innocent people were oppressed and / or killed: Buddhists, Taoists, and the rest. I am disappointed that you give off the same kind of intolerant rhetoric as them. It is this kind of thing that I hoped would not have a place in the 21st Century- oppression of freedom of conscience. Shame on you.
in my country, we have freedom of opinion. but we also have freedom of belief. that has to go. he aren't barbarians, we don't need to believe anymore. ban belief.
I agree with Bostonian...these men failed to use common sense. Americans are jittery about middle-eastern male airline passengers after 9/ll... If we all start to hear that Imams are passionately teaching their communities about the principles of the American Constitution, we might start to feel like they honor our nation.
neothe1- "I sit here quietly contemplating existence itself, and you disturb and bother me with your trashy assertions that there is too much freedom?" (Lao Tzu)
Perhaps philosophy should be banned too? A lot of it is based on belief- such as Sartre's Existentialism.
Voted : yes
it is unfortunate that we live in a world where such things are necessary, the humiliation of individuals for the security of a nation, but the reality is, any odd behavior on an air plane is grounds for that kind of action. if these men would look at the situation more clearly, the praying before take-off, the one way tickets, misunderstandings with flight personel, their surely can see why the airline reacted as it did. just as asian americans suffered during world war two, people of the muslim faith will suffer in this war. it isn't fair or right, but it is the way of the world during war times. i'm sure there are americans that are disrespected in middle eastern countries every day, just as american men and women are dying every day in order to give your fellow countrymen the freedom to make public complaints without fear of retribution.
would you also support the freedom to murder and freedom to rape, soc? if not, you are a hypocrite.
never mind, to use that name, yet defend belief, is already hypocrisy.
neothe1 - I believe we should all let each individual be what they are as long as they are not intruding on the rights of other individuals.
"Let each individual be what they are, then the world be in order." (Lao Tzu)
so you're for the legalization of heroin?
They also changed their seats (on their own) covering the first rows in first class, without first class tickets, and sat in by wing exit rows. That is the same pattern as the hijackers took on 9-11. The seat extenders were not used but were put on the floor at their feet and would be a nasty weapon when swung. As well, they were engagaed in loud anti-american talk in the terminal and on board the plane. I suppose that we learned nothing from the hijacks and murder on 9-11. Seems to me they were all Muslim, but I guess facts are profiles. I hope it doesn't take another 9-11 to wake up the bleeding hearts in this country.
If I were on that flight and those dudes were making anti-american remarks and moving around the cabin as witnesses have stated, I would have gotten off the plane myself had they not been removed. They have to be idiots acting like that.
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