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MARINE CORPS: U.S. NO LONGER CAPABLE OF DEFEATING THE INSURGENCY

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MARINE CORPS: U.S. NO LONGER CAPABLE OF DEFEATING THE INSURGENCY


[+] serious ballot by cranky
ACTIVE Tue Nov 28, 06 - Sun Aug 23, 09

Anbar Picture Grows Clearer, and Bleaker

Washington Post, November 28, 2006

The U.S. military is no longer able to defeat a bloody insurgency in western Iraq or counter al-Qaeda's rising popularity there, according to newly disclosed details from a classified Marine Corps intelligence report that set off debate in recent months about the military's mission in Anbar province.

The Marines recently filed an updated version of that assessment that stood by its conclusions and stated that, as of mid-November, the problems in troubled Anbar province have not improved, a senior U.S. intelligence official said yesterday. "The fundamental questions of lack of control, growth of the insurgency and criminality" remain the same, the official said.

The Marines' August memo, a copy of which was shared with The Washington Post, is far bleaker than some officials suggested when they described it in late summer. The report describes Iraq's Sunni minority as "embroiled in a daily fight for survival," fearful of "pogroms" by the Shiite majority and increasingly dependent on al-Qaeda in Iraq as its only hope against growing Iranian dominance across the capital.

True or not, the memo says, "from the Sunni perspective, their greatest fears have been realized: Iran controls Baghdad and Anbaris have been marginalized." Moreover, most Sunnis now believe it would be unwise to count on or help U.S. forces because they are seen as likely to leave the country before imposing stability.

Between al-Qaeda's violence, Iran's influence and an expected U.S. drawdown, "the social and political situation has deteriorated to a point" that U.S. and Iraqi troops "are no longer capable of militarily defeating the insurgency in al-Anbar," the assessment found. In Anbar province alone, at least 90 U.S. troops have died since Sept. 1.

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Given that this report comes not from pro-war, military-avoiding neocons, but from the U.S. Marine Corps, what do you think the U.S. should do?

Send more troops
Begin a phased withdrawal
Stay the course
I'm a neocon. Send more troops, just not me
Withdraw immediately
Invade Iran


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COMMENTS:
yeah, the insurgency is self sustaining
by aya on Tue Nov 28, 06 7:51am [+]

Well what ever they do you can guarantee a lot more people will die and it will get a whole lot worse before it gets any better. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see a different dictator in control in Iraq in a few years time. This conflict is going the way of the British and German interferences in Iraq (Mesopotamia) in the early part of the last century. History has a habit of repeating itself.
by B_P on Tue Nov 28, 06 7:59am [+]

This is a tough one but if the Marine Corps itself is saying that they can no longer defeat a part of the insurgency in Iraq I fear the only option we have is a phased withdraw from Anbar.However we should not leave Iraq completely until the national government can provide it's own security and fight the insurgents who ever and where ever they may be.Otherwise the situation will become much worst than it is now and the nation will fragment.
by Corrupt on Tue Nov 28, 06 8:24am [+]

Voted : Begin a phased withdrawal
What a sad situation.
by skylab on Tue Nov 28, 06 9:57am [+]

Reminiscent of Gibbon’s Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire. To paraphrase Gibbon, as Rome tried to nation-build in the Middle East, she found herself under attack at the eastern borders with Persia (present-day Iran). Rome was forced to pour in outrageous amounts of wealth in order support the eastern armies. These expenses proved a constant drain upon Rome’s treasury. The financial burden, coupled with the constant distraction of the Persians allowed easy access for the Germanic barbarians to invade. This view is echoed by Peter Heather in THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE: A New History. He claims that Rome’s prolonged involvement with Persia was the genesis of over taxation and collapse.
by elvislennon on Tue Nov 28, 06 9:58am [+]

_Beelzebubba_Dubya You're next Ayatolla Ass-a-hola! Yee haw!
by _Beelzebubba on Tue Nov 28, 06 9:59am [+]

Withdraw immediately. Our military is the best information on the war. we need to listen to them.
by xhiker on Tue Nov 28, 06 12:03pm [+]

Voted : Begin a phased withdrawal
Funny you should pose this ballot, cranky. My friend Jason is a Marine officer presently in Iraq, and he and I had apretty nasty argument about just this issue a few weeeks back. I believe fully that the war's past the point of salvageability (is that even a word?). As a result, he's no longer speaking with me. He thinks that I've let my "liberal leanings" cloud my military perspective. I hope I can continue this argument with him at some point in time before having to attend his funeral.
by Truthseeker013 on Tue Nov 28, 06 5:17pm [+]

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