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Voted : No, they have suffered as a result they would have been better off with a different approach
Take a look at Israel's policies toward them, and draw the conclusion for yourself.
Voted : No, they have suffered as a result they would have been better off with a different approach
They have sacrificed so much of their productive energies, time, money, and lives of their children to this goal that they have really harmed themselves far more than they hurt israel. Whatever you think of their cause their methods are undeniaby flawed, not just from a moral standpoint but from a practical one as well.
They could have used all the aid money they've been given to improve the lives of their people, rather than buying bombs and guns. They could have spent the last 60 years building, rather than destroying everything in their path and occasionally rebuilding the damage done in fighting. They could have worked to give their people an education, which would have given them jobs, wealth, and a hope for the future. And most of all the past 60 years has shown that Israel is willing to negotiate, and keep their promises (as long as the other side does). SO they probably could have gotten everything or nearly everything they've demanded by force, using diplomacy and reason.
Israel and The PLO have had numerous peace summits with nothing of real substance being achieved and very little movement for either side on their position. It wasn't until the Palestinians turn to terrorism that their was any movement on the issues. It's a sad but true fact.
Israel and Palestinians have had numerous peace summits with nothing of real substance being achieved and very little movement for either side. It wasn't until the Palestinians resorted to terrorism that their was any serious movement on the issues.
^I'm not saying I support terrorism. I'm simply answering your question.
Voted : Yes they have benefited from terrorism
Up to a poit, but it now time to take a leaf out of the book of the IRA in Northern Ireland.
When they removed the bullet in favour of the ballot, things finally came to fruition.
Voted : No, they have suffered as a result they would have been better off with a different approach
No, the Palestinians haven't benefitted from US backed Israeli terrorism, not this mother anyway, and her two children who were murdered by the Israelis three weeks ago along with many other innocent Palestinian civilians.
...a different approach from the Israelis that is.
Oh come on herzog - havent you observed the history of this conflict.
You know how this all started - why pretend that the PAlastinians are the aggressors when clearly that is not the case.
Voted : No, they have suffered as a result they would have been better off with a different approach
Palestine is a successful country, well thought of in the international community: well respected, running their country efficiently, *funding themselves* by collecting taxes from the many medical and manufacturing businesses that thrive there.
People are FLOCKING to go live there..people are calling Palestine 'the Sweden/Denmark of the Middle East'.
Most Israelis have residency applications on file, to go live in Gaza particularly, if only to get away from slum conditions in Israel.
Palestine is an un-paralleles success story, and my fondest wish is to go live there.
DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS that terorism has indeed benefitted -HUGELY- the Palestinian situation.
People are leaving stable countries like UK and USA to go live in Palestine, because life is so much better,there.
Yes,indeed terrorism has DONE WONDERS for The State of palestine.
CI: the reason those summits never come to anything is that they have a fair arrangement, then palestine breaks the terms and launches another intifada against the jews. It's hard to create a lasting peace when one side desires genocide of the other.
Mr. S: the palestinians are the aggressors.
If palestine were to lay down their arms, that'd be it, the end of the war, everyone lives in peace. If Israel were to lay down it's arms that'd be it, the end of the jews, peace when the genocide is over.
This last cease fire violation by the palestinians was just one in a long history of deceit.
Ken: assuming those pictures aren't more fabrications put out by our media in conjunction with Mr. Greenhelmet over there (there have been so many it's impossible to be too skeptical of their reports), were those people killed just for the hell of it, or as part of a strike against palestinian terrorists, most likely firing on Israeli civilians from an apartment building?
You don't believe there is any difference between intentionally targeting civilians, and intentionally targeting militants. I do. But I've always had a better grasp of reality than you.
Mr. S: the palestinians are the aggressors.
But who started the conflict? Israelis
by aya on Sun Dec 03, 06 11:43am
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aya & herzog - Simply not true
OK. Time for some clairity. I don't know how far we should go back but most people agree that this whole thing started in 1917.
Here's a timeline.
Nov. 2, 1917
Britain passes the Balfour Declaration, expressing support for the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine. In the previous 40 years, Eastern Europeans immigrated to the region in large numbers. By 1914, Jews living in Palestine grew to 85,000, about 12 percent of the population.
May 6-11, 1942
During World War II the U.S becomes the center of Zionist activity. A conference in New York results in the Biltmore Program, which rejects British restrictions on immigration into Palestine and calls for the fulfillment of the Balfour Declaration urging the establishment of Palestine as a Jewish commonwealth.
Nov. 29, 1947
The United Nations proposes to partition Palestine into Jewish and Arab states with Jerusalem under international control. The U.S. and Russia approve of the plan, but Britain abstains. The Zionist movement - pushing for an independent state - reluctantly accepts the proposal that is denounced by Arab states. Arabs feel that the U.N. has no right to make such a deal.
May 14, 1948
As the British mandate over Palestine expires, Jewish authorities declare a new State of Israel. Many nations recognize the new country under first prime minister David Ben-Gurion. The Arab League declares war and Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq engage in fighting with Israel until early 1949, when all parties sign truce agreements that established the borders of the new Jewish state.
continued...
April 3, 1949 Armistice - Israel and Arab states agree to armistice. Israel gained about 50% more territory than was originally allotted to it by the UN Partition Plan.
1951
Egypt denies Israel access to the Suez Canal and blocks the use of the Strait of Tiran, Israel's only direct access to the Red Sea. Palestinians launch raids on Israeli soil from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
Oct. 29, 1956
Israel invades Egypt's Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula. The U.N. brokers a cease-fire agreement and sends in peace-keeping troops.
Jan. 1, 1965
Yasser Arafat's Fatah Movement (founded in 1956)begins armed guerrilla attacks against Israel, which responds with raids against Syria and Jordan. Israeli security zone and border incidents escalate in intensity throughout the year.
June 5, 1967
Egypt had signed an alliance with Syria, Jordan and Iraq, and moved troops into the Sinai in May. In response, Israel launches an immense military strike at Egypt, Jordan and Syria in the Six-Day War, capturing the Gaza Strip, the Sinai, East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Golan Heights.
Continued...
1968: Two Palestinians attacked an Israeli civilian airplane at the airport in Athens, Greece that left an Israeli passenger dead. Israeli commandos attack Beirut International Airport on December 28, 1968, damaging or destroying more than a dozen airplanes in retaliation.
1968-1970 Israel begins to establish Jewish settlements in newly occupied territories; PLO adopts goal of a democratic secular state in all of Mandate Palestine; Arafat named chairman of PLO; War of Attrition between Israel and Egypt, Israel and Syria.
Nov. 22, 1974
The U.N. recognizes the right for Palestinians to have "statehood and sovereignty.
1972: Black September attacks the Israeli Olympic team during the games in Munich, Germany. After a struggle that left a coach and an athlete dead, the terrorists take nine Israeli athletes hostage, demanding the release of Palestinian prisoners in return for the hostages' release. Israel refuses, and a shootout between the attackers and West German authorities leaves all nine hostages, four terrorists and a policeman dead.
April 1973: Israeli elite commandos -- dressed as women and led by future Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak -- kill three PLO leaders in Beirut.
From here it's really a tit for tat at this point.
(1974 is not in the correct order)
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