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Voted : No, it's possible to support Israels right to exist without being branded anti-arab
I do.
most christian religious people are.
something that the jewish government have promoted vigourously, to take full advantage of it.
unfortunately, if you read the text of the bible, you see the association of zionism to the upcoming "biblical clensing" aka apocalyse.
so if you believe in the end times, and believers of the "left behind" concept and want to see the final clensing and the destruction of earth, just follow blindly.
by LCD on Sat Dec 09, 06 3:13pm
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and follow in the fine footsteps of good christians such as David Koresh (branch davidians, waco), Applegate (Heaven's Gate) and countless others....
by LCD on Sat Dec 09, 06 3:28pm
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oops, not applegate, it's applewhite.
by LCD on Sat Dec 09, 06 3:28pm
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Voted : No, it's possible to support Israels right to exist without being branded anti-arab
you see the association of zionism to the upcoming "biblical clensing" aka apocalyse.
If you "read" it, Israel doesn't start it. Big difference there LCD.
There are Arabs in Israel proper that support Israel's right to exist and there are Arabs in the middle east who do as well.
LCD: Did you just compare Dr. Martin Luther King to David Koresh?
Voted : MLK Jr was not a racist nor did he hate anyone...
I find it quite interesting when a race baiter  (notorious for negatively painting people who racially resembles MLK Jr with a broad brush) suddenly out of the clear blue sky take the time to quote anything a black man may have said. This particular race baiter in the past and present eagerly misrepresented/s facts about people of color (with great zeal and vigor)regarding issues of crime, drugs, intellectual capacity, etc, etc, etc...
However, quoting Martin Luther King Jr (a Black MAN)as it pertains to Israel/Jews explains it all...I for one believe that, if MLK Jr was alive today and saw what was going on between both Muslims and Jews, he certainly would not be pleased. This man understood the difference between right and wrong and would not turn a blind eye towards Israel's dirty, stinking part. Also, remember as stated in the Bible, about being "a war like people," do you think that MLK Jr read everything in the Bible except for that verse? Please, if you are going to quote a BLACK MAN (or anyone for that matter - I state BLACK MAN because I am speaking to a race baiter), bring all pertinent material to the table when doing so...
It is insulting that a race baiter would dare utter a word and/or quote the likes of MLK Jr., However, knowing the level of this MAN's compassion for his fellow MAN, WOMAN and CHILD, he would forgive this race baiter...
Also, to believe that Israel hands are clean in this entire matter is too believe that Kramer never said the "N" before that night his true feelings spelled out of that sore underneath his nose...
MLK JR hated no one...
Soooo... if I understand you correctly BBC... You are claiming to speak for Martin Luther King. THAT is really presumptuous and preposterous. Martin Luther King Jr. was alive during some of the more hostile times between Israel and its neighbors. He was quite aware of the issue as his comments have indicated.
"Israel's dirty, stinking part" More than a little bit of HATRED you have there? Sounds like Martin Luther King Jr might have been speaking to you. That is a REALLY HOSTILE statement which says quite a lot about you.
"Also, remember as stated in the Bible, about being "a war like people," What the hell are you talking about here? Some random thought that appeared out of the ether? The Amalekites, Scythians, Philistines were a war like people as were others... which I can easily identify for you:. Ezekiel 2 'Son of man, set thy face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, 3 and say: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; 4 and I will turn thee about, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed most gorgeously, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them handling swords: 5 Persia (Iran), Cush, and Put with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah in the uttermost parts of the north, and all his bands; even many peoples with thee. (Those aren't Israel, but their enemies - the war like people).
Esau, not Israel (Jacob) is given the blessing that he shall "live by the sword". Ishmael (Arabs), not Issac (from whom Israelites are descended) is identified as warlike. Maybe you need to study the Bible a bit. I have a zillion more to give you.
And for someone who claims another persons is highly judgmental, you are certainly quite good at it yourself. Look in the mirror recently?
Yeah, I think LCD compared to Martin Luther King and many Christians to David Koresh.
I don't speak for anyone LSD, I am giving my opinion regarding the subject matter as you are...Are you attempting to speak for MLK Jr.? or are you merely giving your opinion regarding the subject matter?
You don't have 2 for me let alone a zillion...I am quite familiar with the "war like people," reference and I don't require you nor your interpretion of the Bible to darken my doorstep...
"And for someone who claims another persons is highly judgmental, you are certainly quite good at it yourself. Look in the mirror recently?" ~ LSD
You have to be kidding, if anyone who needs to look in the mirror is certainly you...You are a blow hard and you have met your match...Ya don't want any of me LSD...Go sleep it off.
P.S. I sugguest you read the Bible regarding that reference "war like people," but read is slowly, don't read it too quickly...Also, I hate no one, and I am not hostile towards a soul. However, I will stand up against in misrepresentation of the facts regarding Israel and those have decided to over look their dirty deeds in this civil war (that they help create) sobeit...
BTW, the speech is a forgery, but it accurately reflects his views as stated by many of those associated with him.
"You are a blow hard and you have met your match"
Yep, you are a blow hard.
"I am quite familiar with the "war like people,"
The reference that you are supposedly familiar with please...? Or did you just make it up? I also didn't give you my "interpretation". Just stated what is blatantly obvious to anyone who actually reads the Bible. Got some hatred there too?
"also, I hate no one (yeah right), and I am not hostile towards a soul (sure...). However, I will stand up against in misrepresentation of the facts regarding Israel and those have decided to over look their dirty deeds in this civil war (that they help create)".
Name some bad (dirty deeds) things that the Arabs and palestinians have done... (I won't hold my breath) Or are you a typical leftist obsessed with Israel that places all the blame on Israel? I can easily find Israelis and other Jews that criticize what Israel has done. Can you say something good about Israel? (I won't hold my breath waiting on this one either)
You use a lot of loaded language in your comments. "Dirty deeds", "Israel's dirty, stinking part."
Your hatred betrays you. Why not just admit that you hate Israel?
I would never use that language except in reference to brutal tyrants like Saddam Hussein, the perpetrators of genocide in Sudan, or countries like Syria, Somalia, Iran, North Korea, Burma, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, etc that viciously torture and murder their opponents. But not you...
Not hostile towards anyone? Suuuurrre.
Real Quotes from the Martin Luther King papers projects at Stanford University:
by Martin Luther King, Jr. (Adapted from his writings and public statements by Clayborne Carson (director of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Papers Project at Stanford University.))
On a beautiful afternoon in 1959, Coretta and I journeyed from our hotel in Beirut to take a plane for Jerusalem. After about two hours in the air we were notified to fasten our seat belts -- we were beginning to descend for the airport in Jerusalem. Because of the Arab-Israeli conflict, this city has been divided. And so this was a strange feeling -- to go to the ancient city of God and see the tragedies of man's hate and evil which causes him to fight and live in conflict.
Israel's right to exist as a state in security is incontestable. At the same time the great powers have the obligation to recognize that the Arab world is in a state of imposed poverty and backwardness that must threaten peace and harmony. Until a concerted and democratic program of assistance is affected, tensions cannot be relieved. So there is a need for a Marshall Plan for the Middle East.
At the heart of the problem are oil interests. As the American Jewish Congress has stated, "American policies in the Middle East have been motivated in no small measure by the desire to protect the $2.5 billion stake which U.S. oil companies have invested in the area." Some Arab feudal rulers are no less concerned for oil wealth and neglect the plight of their own peoples.
The solution will have to be found in statesmanship by Israel and progressive Arab forces who, in concert with the great powers, recognize that fair and peaceful solutions are the concern of all of humanity. Neither military measures nor a stubborn effort to reverse history can provide a permanent solution.
Real Quotes from the Martin Luther King papers projects at Stanford University:
by Martin Luther King, Jr. (Adapted from his writings and public statements by Clayborne Carson (director of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Papers Project at Stanford University.))
On a beautiful afternoon in 1959, Coretta and I journeyed from our hotel in Beirut to take a plane for Jerusalem. After about two hours in the air we were notified to fasten our seat belts -- we were beginning to descend for the airport in Jerusalem. Because of the Arab-Israeli conflict, this city has been divided. And so this was a strange feeling -- to go to the ancient city of God and see the tragedies of man's hate and evil which causes him to fight and live in conflict.
ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST AS A STATE IN SECURITY IS INCONTESTABLE. At the same time the great powers have the obligation to recognize that the Arab world is in a state of imposed poverty and backwardness that must threaten peace and harmony. Until a concerted and democratic program of assistance is affected, tensions cannot be relieved. So there is a need for a Marshall Plan for the Middle East.
At the heart of the problem are oil interests. As the American Jewish Congress has stated, "American policies in the Middle East have been motivated in no small measure by the desire to protect the $2.5 billion stake which U.S. oil companies have invested in the area." Some Arab feudal rulers are no less concerned for oil wealth and neglect the plight of their own peoples.
The solution will have to be found in statesmanship by Israel and progressive Arab forces who, in concert with the great powers, recognize that fair and peaceful solutions are the concern of all of humanity. Neither military measures nor a stubborn effort to reverse history can provide a permanent solution.
Peace anyone?
You have issues that only a Psychiatrist is more than capable of addressing. Now, with all that said, you apparently have issues with Muslims and continue to keep your lips pressed on the arse of Israel, your choice. I on the other hand will not ignore Israel's part in the killing of innocent Muslims, thats correct, there are many innocent Muslims that are being killed everyday by Jews. You are so narrow minded, you can not see that...Until members of Israel cease throwing rocks and hiding their filthy hands, the killing will continue. As I have stated in several of my previous comments (in which you failed to read), there is enough blame on both sides of the killing field to go around. I take issue with Israel pretending that they are without sin in this matter. Say what you will, and please do continue your endless rant regarding this issue. However, I will always believe that Israel is nothing more than another terrorist group who have people believing that they are innocent like a new born baby...Also, you don't know whats in my heart regarding my feelings and thoughts, to imply that I hate someone because I don't agree with their treatment of others is illogical at best...I am done discussing this matter with you, until you get off your knees and cease the worship of Israel, there is nothing more you and I have let to say to one another...Although I find your defense of Israel quite entertaining, take care.
"If you believe the Jewish people deserve to have an independent state, then you are a Zionist. It's that easy."
- I do not support the idea of a 'Jewish' state. Or a state being created specifically for Jews. Far too theocratic. 'Jew' is not a nationality from my point of view.
I think the creation of the state of Israel was a mistake. However, I aknowledge its existence now, due to the fact that the new generations living there definitely have their identities as part of that land. I support Israel's right to exist as it is now. But I think creating the state of Israel in the first place was a mistake. I believe that creating a state 'for Jews' is bigotted. I believe modern day Israel should liberalise its definitions of 'Israel' even more than it has. I believe that referring to ancient maps to intentionally move people to a land, with the intention of creating a new society and not belnding in with the existing one is pathetic in the first place. All in all, I disagree with King on this one. I relate more to Gandhi's analysis.
Anyone that supports a 'state for Jews' isn't necessarily racist though. Because Judaism isn't a race, it is a religion.
But I am not saying all this to side with Hamas and those other terrorist organisations. I'm just calling it as I see it. And as I see it, the creation of Israel was a mistake to begin with and should not have been done. I support the idea of Jews going to Palestine back then as 'immigrants', but not as 'settlers'. There is a difference. An 'immigrant' moves to another society, and then integrates to varying degrees. A 'settler' on the other hand, moves to another land, and then sets up a new society, usually displacing other peoples in the process. The latter should not be encouraged in this modern era at all. However, modern day Israel should be aknowledged to exist as the new generations are definitely have their identities as part of the land, however, it would be beneficial if they didn't associate Judaism so much as being the nationality. I don't support theocracy, not even moderate ones.
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