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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Japan have like wide open laws about sex with teen girls? Isn't the age of consent 14? And they are surprised at something like this? I'm not.
The Japanese national Age of Consent is 13. Just so you know.
Before 1999, there was NO age of consent - but 12 was considered too young.
Still, I would've thought the sticky-beak neighbours would've been at least a little more suspicious about some guy's rape den. Japanese are very gossipy.
"Alleged serial rapist Joji Obara assaulted nearly all of his female victims in his condominium", this is amazing in a very cruel way. I'm surprised how none of the victims apparently pressed charges against him. Maybe it was the feeling of shame, but i'm just guessing.
As for the neighbours, well i got to be honest with you: as far as i know one (or more) of my neighbours may be a rapist and i wouldnt know. I mean i dont even know their faces let alone the people they bring to their homes. Therefore, unless they heard screams or saw the girls being dragged to the guy's house, i cant really blame the neighbours.
{Therefore, unless they heard screams or saw the girls being dragged to the guy's house, i cant really blame the neighbours.
by seamus on Mon Dec 11, 06 5:10am}
Hmmm...you've raised an interesting point there. It's more than possible that the neighbours did hear screams - and did nothing. Japanese homes have very thin walls, and screaming won't necessarily get a lot of attention. and Japanese girls tend to be quiet during sex because they're embarrassed. Some are screamers, but I know most are like me and try and hold it all in because we worry about the neighbours, and making lots of noise is embarrassing.
The girls would be very unlikely to tell their parents, and would want to avoid their parents finding out so no police involvement either.
I bet he threatened them with the videos as blackmail too.
dont want to sound rude but are you sure about this: "Japanese girls tend to be quiet during sex"?? (It's not what my experience tells me.)
Anyway, he probably gagged and tied them up.
They'll try to be quiet ...I didn't say that they always succeeded. (^^)
makes it a lot more fun with the parents in the house, or the nosey neighbours.
and I'm talking about in Japan too
Lovehotels are a different matter, and thankfully Japanese cars are getting bigger and roomier inside.
Besides, did you know that trying to hold it in leads to a bigger bang? (^^)
{Anyway, he probably gagged and tied them up.
by seamus on Mon Dec 11, 06 6:05am}
and weirdly, they probably wanted him to. It's very difficult to tell the lines between date-rape and normal dates in Japan, because ropes and things and a little S&M is NORMAL.
S&M does not imply rape Lovelynice. And it can be normal anywhere in the world as long as both parties agree to it.
You misunderstand apparently.
With NORMAL and common Japanese dating, S&M and being tied-up are practically expected.
Think about the RESULT. It gets very hard to tell if there was consent or not, the lines become extremely blurry, even more so when in Japanese culture saying "No" straight out is considered rude... everything is a "maybe" and "No" can still mean "maybe" when it's said so softly with so little force because you don't want to hurt the other person's feelings by a rude rejection - just in case you've actually misunderstood their intentions.
The honest truth is, Japanese girls are extremely easy to rape...and the rapist might not even realise that he'd committed rape, but could be completely convinced it was consensual.
If the guy was dealing with Mizushobai type girls with mothers in the nightclub industry, etc..., this wouldn't be such a problem - they have enough street sense to recognise what's going on and just say "No" and probably give him a good kick where it counts.
But with most of the so-called "good girls" who are more naive....different story. No streetwise, little experience, and vulnerable. The predator's ideal target and the most likely to be too ashamed to tell anyone.
Ok then. i'm glad i never tried none of that stuff with my ex (who is japanese) coz now i'd be wondering about her willingness...
I thought you might...
It is kind of worrying isn't it?
I can tell you lots of stories that make the whole situation even more confusing.
Here's another one;
There was a very shy guy who liked a particular girl a lot, but was too shy to actually tell her. What does he do? He decides to kidnap her. Takes her for ride to another prefecture, takes her to a lovehotel, ties her up, rapes her, then brings her back home and drops her off. Only THEN does he ask her out for a date.
What did the girl do? Call the police? No.
She goes out with him. Her reasoning; since he obviously was so smitten by her to do all those crazy things, he must really like her, therefore he's romantic.
This logic works in Japan, mostly, because MOST young Japanese guys are so incredibly shy about asking a girl out or expressing their feelings, that it's wonder that they get any sex at all.
The current Japanese birthrate is 1.25, by the way.
Every country has problems. With the US it's crime, but I've read that Japan shames women into not complaining as much about things that would be considered crimes here.
{but I've read that Japan shames women into not complaining as much about things that would be considered crimes here.
by skylab on Mon Dec 11, 06 9:05am}
Well, what you're reading is apparently quite racist then, because there is no such policy and never has been.
It's cultural stemming from confucianism, buddhism, and shinto and I personally nothing wrong with people being able to feel shame and embarrassment - in fact, sometimes it makes things better. Not all inhibitions should be criticized simply because they aren;t yours, or your nation's, or your ethnic group's.
...and many things that you can do in one country are considered crimes in another. You can't apply your own country's laws as being of higher moral standard than another without any understanding of the culture behind them, nor the circumstances of the society, it's economics, even such things as climate.
In their own place, and their own culture, with their own climate, history, land, many of these things make perfect sense.
I also have no doubt that some features of feelings of shame, shyness, and embarrassment aren't "learned" behaviour at all - but passed on in the genes to some extent because they're a survival trait.
In the Israeli kibbutzes in the early days, it was originally considered a utopian ideal that young men and women could shower in the same communal showers without any problems in some sort of mistaken ideal of communism. It didn't work. The young women, despite all ideology became embarrassed about their nudity in front of the young men. Psychologists who studied the phenomena were actually quite surprised.
Lovelynice, just out of curiosity, do you live in Japan or just happen to know a lot about the country?
I live in Japan, but was born in Australia.
My mother is Japanese, my father Irish-Australian.
I'm sure you know more than me about Japan, but it sounds strange to us Americans.
America sounds strange to Australians and Japanese and probably everyone else too.
^I'm sure we do. I didn't mean to insult Japan, just a bit of culture shock.
I got a huge culture shock the first time I met, and actually talked to some Americans in Japan from Wisconsin. We got along fine...for a whole month....then one day we all came to the sudden realisation that we only understood half of what the other person was saying because the cultural references in the way we used English were too different.
Some differences are very subtle, but have big effects. Check out the interpretation of "fact" in the Oxford Dictionary and compare it to that in a Merriam-Webster's. I saw that little difference trigger an enormous argument one day, and I think it threw everyone for a spin.
(shuddering)
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