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I'm not surprised some elements in the Orthodox community are against the founding of the state of Israel because they believe only God can reestablish Israel,not man.
^exactly. Still, it's pretty strange isnt it? i mean look at the pic with Ahmadinejad getting all chummy with that jew bloke
Voted : bizarre
They aren't Orthodox Jews. They are Neturei Karta. An extreme fringe ultra-Orthodox sect of Judaism. Less than 5000 members worldwide. While some like to point to them and say "see, not all Jews support Israel", the argument is irrelevant. It is similar to pointing out the followers of David Duke and making generalizations from that about whites. Or pointing to Osama Bin Laden and generalizing from that to Muslims.
Personally, I have zero respect for anyone who meets with that sleazeball "Amadjihad". Even more so one that does his bidding for him.
Sounds like the Fred Phelpses of Judaism.
Voted : bizarre
So that crazy Iranian guy does like some Jews.
Voted : bizarre
The guy isn't exactly "pro-jew".
Voted : Makes perfect sense - they aren't Zionists trying to hide anything
Makes perfect sense to me. Besides there are Jews who live in Iran, and there have been Jews there for centuries anyway. Amadjihad has nothing against Jews - he's against Israel, particularly Israel's atrocities committed against the Palestinians, and waht Israel recently did to the those thousands of civilians in Lebanon too in their stupid attempt to invade.
I notice that only those who have been gulled by Israeli & Western propaganda call Amadjihad crazy. He's not. Demonizing your enemy is often stupidity - because then you might start to believe your own nonsense and get gulled by it.
^Maybe hateful would be more accurate than crazy.
Voted : Makes perfect sense - they aren't Zionists trying to hide anything
FREE SPEECH!
Only crooks and liars throw people in prison, destroy their careers, threaten their kids and wives, for asking a bloody good questions "Where's the real evidence? Where's the mass graves that can be independently investigated and stand scrutiny? Where's the orginal German wartime documentation proving what you claim without any delusional fairytales about nudge-nudge wink-wink and secret understandings? Where's the autopsy reports of gassed victims? Where's the diesel murder vans and deisel gas chambers schematics, photos, and anything else that proves the impossible things existed?"
I want to see archaeologists, geologists, and investigators able to crawl around the ground at Treblinka and Auschwitz digging it up and proving that there are mass graves there.
I want lying forgeries and false captioned photos like FiddleFaddleOnLSd's false captioned photo of a mass grave at Bergen Belsen to be revealed publicly to everyone as the fakes that they are, because THERE NO MASS GRAVES IN GERMANY. He removed it you know, but I've got a copy of it still.
You take some lies from the old Stalinist propaganda machine, and tried to pass them off as German atrocities, and they weren't; they were dead Christians more than bloody likely. They definitely weren't Jews in a mass grave in Bergen Belsen. You got caught out, FFD.
How many more "mass grave" photos like that are really dead Russian Christians and not Jews?
How many photos of Typhoid victims are being passed off falsely as "gassed victims" when they weren't?
Those Jewish rabbis in Iran who are at that conference are the honest ones. They're willing to let questions be asked, and REAL INVESTIGATION be made.
Not more throwing people in prison, no more threatening their lives, no more threatening their kids and wives, no more trying to destroy their careers, and next bloody time that I see any accusation thrown around about "anti-semite" or "neo-nazi" and any other such lie, EVERYONE WILL KNOW WHO THE REAL CROOKS ARE!
People like FiddleFaddleOnLSD who karma blocked pages and pages of my posts because he couldn't prove his claims.
You want to restrict other's free speech by accusing them of being neo-nazis, well F**K U.
It's clear who the real trolls and liars are.
"Those Jewish rabbis in Iran who are at that conference are the honest ones. They're willing to let questions be asked, and REAL INVESTIGATION be made."
They are actually there so that the truth can be heard, Meteor7.
Meteor: if a hatefilled neo-nazi group is having a rally, and you work to allow that rally because you believe so much in free speech, then go there and denounce them as hate-filled neo-nazis, is that censorship? Or is it simply calling a spade a spade?
** karma **
{ if a hatefilled neo-nazi group is having a rally...
by herzog on Wed Dec 13, 06 4:27pm}
Then they should be allowed to.
Why not? By the way, apparently you seem to think that you're a mind-reader.. how do you know that they are "hate-filled"
I could say that a rally by Christians is "hate-filled" or a rally by Democrats is "hate-filled" but that doesn't make it true.
You sound like one of those sensationalist newspaper journalists.
if they turn violent, then that'ts different matter. They should be treated the same as any group that turns violent.
But jailing people for their point of view is ALWAYS WRONG.
{Or is it simply calling a spade a spade?
by herzog on Wed Dec 13, 06 4:27pm}
Or is this only your excuse for bullshitting your way with insults?
Funny, widehead said the exact same excuse as you on another ballot.
" Then they should be allowed to."
I never said otherwise, quite to the contrary. We'll call this strawman argument a momentary lapse in judgement on your part, I'll do you the favor of ignoring it.
" Why not? By the way, apparently you seem to think that you're a mind-reader.. how do you know that they are "hate-filled""
Ha! You really are nutty. Neo-nazis are defined as a hate group. There aren't alot of happy go lucky, tolerant, peaceloving neo-nazis out there. In fact I'd say such a thing is contradictory. Like a tolerant anti-semite, or a rational person who denies the holocaust, such things don't exist.
" But jailing people for their point of view is ALWAYS WRONG."
You're pushing it now, there are only so many momentary lapses of judgement that I am willing to ignore.
And I'm sure you'll get back to me on this ballot where you stand on the holocaust. You forgot on the other ballot then blocked me temporarily.
"It's called FREE SPEECH, and being bale to openly debate the Holocaust and discuss the evidence OPENLY is what the entire conference is about."
Are you genuinely this naive or are doing what most of the attendees are doing? Hiding their intolerance and hatred under a veneer of acceptable debate.
seamus,Muslims have this thing where they hug and kiss on the cheek when greeting. there's nothing wrong with that. maybe thats what Ahmadinejad is doing?
(Hiding their intolerance and hatred under a veneer of acceptable debate.
by wideheadofknowledge on Thu Dec 14, 06 6:15a)
Your intolerance of any dissent, intolerance of any questioning of the past, intolerance of any doubts, and your persistently abusive attacks on anyone who dares to raise valid points and facts contradicting the "official" history show that free speech is not only something which you dislike, but also something which you're afraid of. The hatred is clearly strongest on your side of the fence.
DoK, I am not attacking anyone making a valid point or question.
A valid question would be something like: How did researchers arrive at a figure of around 6 million Jews killed in the holocaust? Now, this is a perfectly reasonable, in fact sensible, question for anyone to ask.
What is NOT valid is to discount 60+ years of academic research but focusing on one area of contention because it doesn't fit in with ones anti-semitic beliefs.
We have not plucked the 6 million figure from the ether as some random tokenistic number because it sounds dramatic. Despite what some individuals and organizations will have you believe all the lines of evidence converge on the fact that around 6 million Jews died due to deliberate extermination by the Nazis.
"DoK, I am not attacking anyone making a valid point or question.
by wideheadofknowledge on Wed May 02, 07 4:48pm"
Yes you do, and often. Just like you seem to think that only you have the right to decide what is a valid point or not. You don't. You are not the sole arbiter of what is valid, and what is not.
" We have not plucked the 6 million figure from the ether as some random tokenistic number
by wideheadofknowledge on Wed May 02, 07 4:48pm"
No it was plucked from the ether based on some kabbalistic number. That six million claim has turned up so many times before, even back in 1919, that it's obviously not based on anything real. When Lovelynice posted evidence of this by quoting from a post WW-1 speech where the number "six million" appeared more than 20 times, you repeatedly censored her by karma blocking her comments.
"What is NOT valid is to discount 60+ years of academic research but focusing on one area of contention because it doesn't fit in with ones anti-semitic beliefs
by wideheadofknowledge on Wed May 02, 07 4:48pm"
It would not matter if it was 600 years of academic research when the claims don't fit scientific possibility, and go against more solid evidence. Like those impossible diesel gas chambers and diesel gas murder vans.
"the fact that around 6 million Jews died due to deliberate extermination by the Nazis.
by wideheadofknowledge on Wed May 02, 07 4:48pm"
That is not a fact, it's only a claim. Your repeating it is only your attempt at propaganda.
Voted : bizarre
against israel or not. they go with a person who hates jews, yes jews not only israel. A leading orthodox rabbi severly denounced them.
^anti-semitic idiot alert.
DoK, tell Lovelynice I said Hi.
"DoK, tell Lovelynice I said Hi.
by wideheadofknowledge on Fri Aug 10, 07 7:59pm"
You're quite capable of doing that yourself, since you can find her email address as well as I can. Look her up. She always said that she only used one username on every site which she's a member of, so it should be easy.
"^anti-semitic idiot alert.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Fri Aug 10, 07 7:20pm"
That goes back on you, you know. Calling someone an anti-semite seems to replace rational argument for you. That and you vote spamming ballots
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