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BRITISH LORD TELLS 2 U.S SENATORS TO RESIGN


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British Lord Stings Senators Rockefeller and Snowe: 'Uphold Free Speech or Resign'

WASHINGTON, Dec. 18 PRNewswire

Lord Monckton, Viscount of Brenchley, has sent an open letter to Senators Rockefeller (D-WV) and Snowe (R-Maine) in response to their recent open letter telling the CEO of ExxonMobil to cease funding climate-skeptic scientists.

Lord Monckton, former policy adviser to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, writes: "You defy every tenet of democracy when you invite ExxonMobil to deny itself the right to provide information to senior elected and appointed government officials who disagree with your opinion."

In what The Charleston (WV) Daily Mail has called "an intemperate attempt to squelch debate with a hint of political consequences," Senators Rockefeller and Snowe released an open letter dated October 30 to ExxonMobil CEO, Rex Tillerson, insisting he end Exxon funding of a "climate change denial campaign."

The Senators labeled scientists with whom they disagree as "deniers," a term usually directed at "Holocaust deniers." Some voices on the political left have called for the arrest and prosecution of skeptical scientists. The British Foreign Secretary has said skeptics should be treated like advocates of Islamic terror and must be denied access to the media.

Responds Lord Monckton, "Sceptics and those who have the courage to support them are actually helpful in getting the science right. They do not, as you improperly suggest, obfuscate the issue: they assist in clarifying it by challenging weaknesses in the consensus argument and they compel necessary corrections ... "

Lord Monckton’s Churchillian reproof continues, "You acknowledge the effectiveness of the climate sceptics. In so doing, you pay a compliment to the courage of those free-thinking scientists who continue to research climate change independently despite the likelihood of refusal of publication in journals that have taken preconceived positions; the hate mail and vilification from ignorant environmentalists; and the threat of loss of tenure in institutions of learning which no longer make any pretence to uphold or cherish academic freedom."

Of Britain’s Royal Society, a State-funded scientific body which, like the Senators, has publicly leaned on ExxonMobil, Lord Monckton said, "The Society’s long-standing funding by taxpayers does not ensure any greater purity of motive or rigour of thought than industrial funding of scientists who dare to question whether climate change will do any harm."

To the Senators comparison of ExxonMobil’s funding of climate sceptics with tobacco-industry funding of research denying the link between smoking and lung cancer, Lord Monckton counters, "Your comparison of Exxon’s funding of sceptical scientists and groups with the former antics of the tobacco industry is unjustifiable and unworthy of any credible elected representatives. Either withdraw that monstrous comparison forthwith, or resign so as not to pollute the office you hold."

Concludes Lord Monckton, "I challenge you to withdraw or resign because your letter is the latest in what appears to be an internationally-coordinated series of maladroit and malevolent attempts to silence the voices of scientists and others who have sound grounds, rooted firmly in the peer- reviewed scientific literature, to question what you would have us believe is the unanimous agreement of scientists worldwide that global warming will lead to what you excitedly but unjustifiably call disastrous' and calamitous consequences."


^ okay, i don't know what the hell this guy said. but from what i can make out, he is pissed at 2 u.s. senators who sent a letter to exxonmobile telling them to end funding of a climate change denial campaign. i take that to mean this little lord fauntleroy dude feels that there is no threat of global warming.

can you make heads or tails of what this guy is saying? if he means that they should resign, what's your opinion on it.

and, yes or no -- do you believe that global warming poses a threat?

yes they should resign and no, global warming is not a threat
no they should not resign, but yes, global warming is a threat
i don't know wtf this guy said, but no, global warming is not a threat
i don't know wtf this guy said, but yes, global warming is a threat
He's talking ENGLISH.
An' it please Your Lordship...
Yes they should resign and yes global warming is a threat that should not be censored
They should withdraw their comments, the science about this should be balanced


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COMMENTS:
Voted : He's talking ENGLISH.
- you have trouble comprehending him?
The man's crystal clear!
by aplmac on Mon Dec 18, 06 4:48pm [+]

^ sorry. have a touch of brain damage. so want to clarify it for me?
by Kev24 on Mon Dec 18, 06 4:59pm [+]

Voted : An' it please Your Lordship...
Run yer *own* bleedin' country, an' leave us our own.
by Truthseeker013 on Mon Dec 18, 06 5:05pm [+]

I wish he'd been this vocal when Mister Blair leapt into line behind Miter Bush back in '02. As for global warming posing a threat, today is 18 December 2006, the time is *:06 pm EST, and the temp in Atlanta is 71 degrees F. What's wrong with this picture?
by Truthseeker013 on Mon Dec 18, 06 5:07pm [+]

I'm also gonna Google this fine gent, to see where his interests may lie.
by Truthseeker013 on Mon Dec 18, 06 5:08pm [+]

Voted : no they should not resign, but yes, global warming is a threat
It sounds like overheated drama, but global warming is occuring. They should find out more about what the specific reason is. Whether oil companies fund scientists or not doesn't matter too much, since their objectivity and credibility would be too much in doubt to count for much. So who cares, anyhow?
by skylab on Mon Dec 18, 06 5:11pm [+]

i just think he could have said what he said in a more direct way. i mean read those quotes -- it's over-blown rhetoric and i keep wondering who he is trying to impress. kiss applies here -- keep it simple stupid.
by Kev24 on Mon Dec 18, 06 5:33pm [+]

Voted : i don't know wtf this guy said, but no, global warming is not a threat
How did the ice age end when there were no factories or cars?
by UncleMax on Mon Dec 18, 06 5:39pm [+]

Voted : no they should not resign, but yes, global warming is a threat
This guy seems to be mad for the right reason, and the senators were out of their places for asking Exxon to stop funding the dissenting scientists (although His Almighty Lordship was out of *his* place in challenging them to step down... but then, maybe I'm out of *my* place by telling them where their places are... this is getting confusing O.o). A voice of dissent is needed, IMO, on all but the most obvious of issues.

Although, being scientists who are funded by Exxon, I'm probably not going to put much stock in most of what they say.
by Guest User from [69.152.253.179] on Mon Dec 18, 06 6:05pm [+]

Voted : An' it please Your Lordship...
They should really f*ck off and run their own damn country.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Mon Dec 18, 06 7:03pm [+]

I guess the polar ice melting is just an optical illusion and the rising sea levels are figments of the imagination
by Steelhamster on Mon Dec 18, 06 8:27pm [+]

Voted : no they should not resign, but yes, global warming is a threat
what's the point in assuming that global warming is NOT a threat? to protect our eco-egos?
by ThisIsNate on Mon Dec 18, 06 8:57pm [+]

Voted : They should withdraw their comments, the science about this should be balanced
I understood every word.

I dont thnk that whether he agrees or not was the point. But in response to your Q, he did not say
what he believed.

It is not 'a climate change denial campaign'. That is the phrase given to it by the people who think the sceptics should be stopped. It is a biased phrase designed to diminish the repsectability of those scientists.

Whether you & me agree with the skeptics is irrelevant, the skeptics should be allowed and encouraged to investigate possible innacuracies in the theories.

Thats the way science works.


by Mr_Susan on Tue Dec 19, 06 3:09am [+]

Also - the continual slurs that occur whilst talking about global warming are a problem. How can you give a view on something, when it is not entirely clear exactly what the question is. Even this british guy appears to have used confusing phrases, which make it difficult to know exactly which part of the debate he's talking about

There are very big differences in the following.

Does global warming happen - Yes
Does man cause global warming - No
Does man possibly cause an increase in global warming rates - Perhaps - up for debate.
Would global warming have disastrous effects? - Perhaps, up for debate
by Mr_Susan on Tue Dec 19, 06 3:16am [+]

I know some peolpe on both sides will dissagree with the last two - but the first two are correct.

So how can we answer the question, Is global warming happening, when of course it is. And also - of course there are potential disasterous effects of a warming climate.

Do we increase the rate of temp increase? - thats a different matter - there are many good arguments on both sides
by Mr_Susan on Tue Dec 19, 06 3:24am [+]

thanks mr. susan for helping to clear it up. clear, concise and easy to follow. bravo!
by Kev24 on Tue Dec 19, 06 9:02am [+]

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