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Voted : Evolution (No intelligence involved, just pure blind luck & total chaos & randomness)
Only the foolish would believe otherwise
Evolution and natural selection are not random and do not produce random results. No evolutionary biologist has ever said that they are or that they do.
Darwins ideas have been proven to the satisfaction of every person with a reasonable IQ. The only people who argue against them are the misinformed, the uninformed and those who choose to sell religious claptrap such as intelligent design.
Having said that God could have started the evolutionary process and then left us to it.
Happy xmas.
Darwins ideas have been proven to the satisfaction of every person with a reasonable IQ.
that's all they are
Voted : Creation (A higher intelligence or "God" put us here)
I believe there is a "God" or a living being out there that is much more intelligent and much more powerful than us, who designed everything on this planet to sustain life.
Think about it. The Earth is at the right distance away from the sun, not too hot, not too cold. If it wasn't for the Earth's protective magnetosphere (Van Allan Belt?) acting as a shield, life as we know it could not survive on this planet because the Earth would be bombarded by deadly solar radiation and high speed ions. Even NASA scientists know that living on the surface of the Moon or on Mars is suicide, because human can only be safe from the Sun's harmful cosmic rays if we are shielded by at least 20 feet of ground, ie. living underground, or under 9 feet of Lead.
We have not yet found another planet out there that can support life, nor have we found life on another planet.
Another amazing fact that evolutionists and scientists cannot explain...
How did our extremely powerful human brain get designed? It is a massively parallel super duper computer which can process vision, hearing, touch, smell and tactile senses better and quicker than any man-made machine or robot can, and it can remember over 80 years worth of memories and daily events if trained properly. If the human brain evolved, then how come the majority of people only use less than 10% of their brain power in their entire lifetime? Brain scientists believe we can learn up to 25,000,000 books worth of information, but we don't live long enough to realise that potential.
The animals, plants, marine life, the natural environment... EVERYTHING, is perfect on this planet for supporting life. Think about it... the air we breathe has the perfect amount of oxygen to prevent us from passing out! The temperature is tolerable, the air pressure is not too high, the veges & food tastes great, and sex feels great... how about our human DNA design, who designed that? It's like a "blueprint" for how our bodyparts are supposed to grow and develop in the right order. If this is faulty, we would not have completely formed organs, blood circulation & respiratory functions, a digestive system, our senses, our brain, our skeletal structure and bones, our skin our other organs, all forming at the right time... imagine if this order of development was wrong! If the brain developed before our circulatory system, it would be dead before receiving its first supply of blood! Clearly, human beings grow up according to this blueprint of life.... are these things all just amazing accidents?
And "educated" people who have studied a lot of wrong-ideas and who believe they are super-smart... want us to believe that the Earth and all its life is a product of a "BIG BANG" random explosion billions of years ago...
BUT WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE BIG BANG? WHERE DID ALL THE ENERGY & MATERIAL FOR THE BIG BANG ORIGINATE FROM? WHO OR WHAT PUT ALL THE MATTER THERE TO START WITH?
Everything in life is complex, even down to the simplest single cell, and it clearly looks like design to me. SOMEBODY VERY SMART, WISE, INTELLIGENT, POWERFUL & VERY KIND designed and created everything we see around us, even human life.
Evolutionists and scientists who claim other theories and ideas about the origin of life, still have no solid proof or experimental evidence that complex DNA design can come about by random mutations and blind accidents which lacked any decision making process. Design, by implication, requires decision making capabilities - in order to accept the good changes and reject the bad changes.
A human is more complex and intelligent than a PC computer right? Of course! Many many many times more! Ok, so imagine that you pulled apart your computer into all its smallest pieces, so all its parts, including the keys on your keyboard and wires and screws, PCBs, IC sockets and microchips, were all thrown into a giant tumble dryer machine and mixed around randomly (like in the dryers you see at a Dry Cleaners)...
How long would it take until you got your entire PC completely reassembled? Impossible? A few billion years perhaps? Ok... now you need a perfectly working operating system that knows how to "boot up" and perform system checks, load up useful software which must be coded by random chance, and help you type up a letter... So you throw in more components that belong to a laser printer, throw in some A4 paper... because you want your computer to print you a test page or a sample letter right? YES!
So how does the random action of a tumble dryer automatically type in machine code to create an operating system, which is able to access the hard-drive, all the while performing automatic error correction and testing without any guidance or intelligence... and then proceed to tap in all the keyboard buttons in the right order to write word processing software automatically, while all those components are sloshing around randomly inside the tumble dryer? Also, how could that PC generate or design its own power supply to start? (Ah! Static electricity from inside the dryer!)
If you cannot even explain a simple Personal Computer being able to assemble itself (given all the necessary components to start with)... then how can you explain far more complicated living things evolving without any guidance, if all the internal organs that a hunting animal has are already critical and necessary for it to live!
Take for instance: If the earliest fish did not have eyes, how could they find food to eat? If they did not have a respiratory system, how could they breathe oxygen underwater? If they did not have a digestive system, how could they get energy from the food they eat? If they did not have any heart, how could blood circulate oxygen around their body? So the truth is, just like in animals and humans, all of these organs that we have could not have evolved independently out of necessity (because nature felt we "needed them") due to "natural selection", because they are ALL essential for survival and for life to continue. Without all of these essential organs working properly at the same time, it would be difficult, if not impossible for a living creature to survive! So HOW DID THEY ALL EVOLVE ALL AT THE SAME TIME, WITHOUT ANY INTELLIGENCE OR DECISION MAKING TO GUIDE THEIR DEVELOPMENT? Who decided that animals and living creatures NEEDED all of these organs at the same time? Badly enough so that all these organs are developed quickly just before the time of birth, so that all breathing creatures have a complete set of fully functional internal organs that work?
IT'S BECAUSE OF THE INTELLIGENCE PRE-PROGRAMMED INTO THE DNA OF LIVING CREATURES... THIS INTELLIGENCE & ORDER HAD TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, AND I BET IT WASN'T A BIG-BANG !!!! like some stupid scientists would claim...
The Big Bang claim is totally absurd and has no evidence to back it up... a theory that is preached like it is fact, just so these scientists can feel respected and revered like all-knowing "Gods of knowledge"... which they are pretending to be...
If you cannot see the design and intelligence "built into" the living things and creatures around us, then you are in denial of a higher being or a higher intelligence. If scientists today still cannot understand all the technical details about how a human baby develops all of its internal organs and bodyparts from a fertilized female egg, then why should you believe them when they say "We have all the answers about how life got here?" Scientists still cannot even replicate the simplest and most basic chemical reactions that occurs in nature, in a lab... the miracle of photosynthesis... converting water, CO2 and Sunlight energy into carbohydrates and oxygen... scientists still cannot even do what a dumb vegetable or plant can do.
Where you like to admit it or not, there is abundant evidence of intelligent design (evidence of intricate decision making) in all living things and in nature.
PS - By the way, I am not misinformed and I am not a religious fanatic. I actually hold an Honours degree in Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering, and a PhD (Doctor of Philosophy) degree... I was also a straight A student and I was the top student at my high school.
I am merely asking people to think about the possibility of a higher intelligence being responsible for their existence.
Darwin's ideas are all wrong. He was a theoretician who provided zero proof to his theories about the origin of life.
Evolution and natural selection are myths. They rely on the theory of random accidents. If you do not have any INTELLIGENCE OR DECISION MAKING FORCE CHOOSING THE BEST OUTCOMES OF ANY CHANGE, then what is is making the "natural selection" ? It's an oxymoron! And anyone who believes that non-living materials or forces can make intelligent wise choices for the better is also a MORON!
First, you declare that the theories of evolution and the big bang exist solely for scientists to "feel respected and revered like all-knowing 'Gods of knowledge'... which they are pretending to be..."
I agree, partially. Many scientists take a "holier-than-thou" attitude when it comes to their work. However, I'm reluctant to take seriously the word of somebody who, on the one hand, criticizes scientists for their attitudes, and then goes on to not only completely deny the plausibility of their beliefs, but to also litter their "proof" of intelligent design with condescension and words that belong on a grade-school playground.
Anyway. Your main arguments against the very plausibility of evolution are, as far as I can tell, these two: evolutionists have not provided enough proof to back their findings; and life is far too complex to have been the result of chance mutations.
You constantly claim that believers in evolution have not provided enough proof for their beliefs, and, as such, their beliefs are wrong. That would be the case, were there no proof of evolution. Fortunately, though, there is. This proof comes in part from fossil records that, when compared to fossils of later time periods and to the anatomy of modern animals, often show evidence of evolutionary "paths," if you will. Additionally (although I don't claim to be a molecular geneticist :P), advances in genetics have allowed scientists to reconstruct the same evolutionary "paths" that are inferrable from the fossil records. Finally, the current geographic distribution of species, and these species relations to other extinct species that lived in the same areas years ago, provide further proof for the existence of evolution.
As to the impossibility of evolution due to life being too complex to be developed by something so random: like Searchlight said, these processes are not random, and nobody has ever claimed that they are. Natural selection is an orderly process.
From what I can see, your only argument against the big bang theory is that it is "totally absurd" and "has no evidence to back it up..." I know practically nothing about the big bang theory but, if we take your method of proving intelligent design (which, apparently, is to hide the fact that you provide no proof under the guise of disproving another's arguments) and apply it to the big bang, then it is easily proven. First, I need to assume that I am inherently right. Easy enough. Second, I need to prove that you're wrong by the mere fact that you provide little evidence, despite the fact that I provide none. Voilá. I've just proven the big bang theory.
Seriously, though. I am as skeptical of the big bang theory as you are. To me, it seems all speculative physics which, while sometimes useful, if taken too far and taken as truth, seems dangerous.
Merry Christmas. :D
There is a mountain of evidence which proves that Darwin was correct from the matching DNA strands in ALL mammals and the matching DNA strands shared by ALL reptiles to the fossil record which throws up a missing link every few weeks to the observation of evolution in living organisms today.
Its been game set and match for Darwin for a long time. I stand by what I said earlier. Only those who are uninformed or misinformed or who are in the business of spreading quackery and nonsense say any different.
So why are there no fossil records of partially evolved animals or creatures? You would think that over millions of years, you might find proof of some one legged birds? Or one eyed fish? Why no fossils of giraffes with a short neck? Or fossils of bad-versions of species that would have been produced through random genetic mutations? eg. like fossils of early dinosaurs with only half their fully-formed skeletal system?
Why does the fossil record only show evidence of fully-formed, fully functional (perfect) creatures that are capable of surviving on their own? How did "natural selection" get everything right first go, without any intelligent guidance?
Also, why are there apes and gorillas still alive today, if we evolved from them?
Evolutionists simply have no proof and hard evidence to back up their claims, just endless amounts of paper theories, speculation and conjecture that are typically assumed to be plausible without facing any scrutiny.
The BIGGEST problem that evolutionists face is answering the question: "How did all the materials and atoms get here in the first place? They had to come from somewhere? And who organized their rules of atom combinations? eg. 2e, 8e, 18e, etc. valence bands? so that atoms can combine in a predictable manner with other atoms?
Even with all the materials available, eg. all the necessary amino acids present in an organic soup... why is it that even after 100 years, NOT EVEN ONE EXPERIMENT IN ANY LAB has yet been able to successfully produce a single protein compound (an essential ingredient for even the simplest living cell), from firing lightning sparks through different gaseous atmospheres containing all different kinds of combinations and concentrations of gases that may have been in existence BILLIONS of years ago... Scientists have been trying for over a hundred years to create left handed and right handed amino acids in such experiments, but have only been able to produce on type of amino acids, but not the 2 required to start forming a protein polymer, the essential building block of cells. THIS DOES NOT EVEN EXPLAIN HOW A DEAD PROTEIN COMPOUND CHOSE TO ORGANIZE ITSELF INTO EVEN THE SIMPLEST OF COMPLEX LIVING CELLS.... IT'S MIND-BLOWINGLY COMPLEX HOW A CELL FUNCTIONS!
There is a still a HUGE gap in the evolutionary story that links dead protein compounds, to complex living cells... HOW DID THE FIRST CELL CHOOSE TO CREATE ITSELF, WHEN EVEN INTELLIGENT SCIENTISTS CANNOT EVEN CREATE ONE SYNTHETICALLY UNDER CAREFULLY CONTROLLED LAB CONDITIONS? YES, SCIENTISTS CANNOT EVEN CREATE THE SIMPLEST OF LIVING CELLS USING ALL THE MATERIALS AND TECHNOLOGY AT THEIR DISPOSAL! WHY?
Because life is just too damn complicated. If you don't understand what I mean, they you are a fool for assuming life is simple and can be explained away as a mere product of blind chance.
Evolutionist arguments sound just as stupid as saying that your computer was completely manufactured, assembled and programmed as a result of several bombs exploding in a rubbish tip.... or that the 20+ volumes of the Encyclopaedia Britannica were printed as a result of an explosion in a printing shop, causing all the droplets of ink to form perfectly formed meaningful words and well formatted paragraphs and photos on every page of every book, including all the binding too...
If you ignore the brilliant design of life, you will simply miss out on appreciating its amazing complexity and how it functions.
If you cannot explain to me how a simple living cell works and functions, and how it "created itself" from dead amino acids, then you have no business claiming that you know how life started. Even Darwin himself cannot explain this mystery. All he did was propose a theory, and almost all his ideas go against common sense. The chances of perfect designs coming about by accident are just way too small to be considered possible.
Picture this. You are a blind person who has never ever seen before but doctors try a new technique that fixes your optical nerves and allows you to see again. Now until this time, you have never heard of or seen how cars a made, although you have been a passenger inside one many times, and you are a mature adult now... Upon coming out of the hospital, at the age of 25, with your new eyesight working fine, your dad hands you the keys to a brand new car as a gift for you! But, you tell him that the car "made itself" and that it could not have come from a factory because you have never seen a factory before and you have never heard of a car assembly plant before... and you tell your dad that someone told you at an early age, that cars built themselves and were living creatures that magically assemble themselves at rubbish tips... all your life you believed this and accepted this as axiomatically true without testing these beliefs and because you have not seen the actual evidence... just like the mistaken Europeans who believed that if you sail too far away from land, you would fall off the edge of the Earth... THEY DID NOT KNOW ANY BETTER!
EITHER is just a theory and NEITHER can be proved.
The big Bang is not *ruled out* as to a method of a *God's* creation and science has traced the Big Bang back to within 1/100,000,000th of a second.
Modern theoretical physicists have proven that the *emptyness* we know as space is actually filled with subatomic mass that, as we have detected, occationally *combines* into short lived stable (hydrogen ?) atoms (or other detectable masses), that disappear just as randomly as they appear.
Also, the scripture does not go into detail of just how God went about the creation, so this type of debate, for any practical resolution, is moot.
In fact, spirit, for lack of a better description, is Energy. Einstein proposes that Energy and Mass are simply different states of the same substance. That's what E=MC^2 means.
The physical properties of the universe are a transition of the mass/energy sum of in between states of mass and energy. The background cosmic radiation surrounding the universe mathamatically prove the age of our universe at 4.7 billion years old (I believe this is the correct figure) and clearly supports the Big Bang Theory.
According to Stephen Hawking, the universe does not contain sufficient gravity to contract and will continue to expand until all internal energy is (dissolved) into frozen mass and the universe dies an icy death fore ever expanding into deeper space.
You can believe otherwise but in absence of tangible evidence to support alternative beliefs, well, that's just being argumentative.
If you don't want to believe in GOD, as a human-like personality, that's fine. Think of GOD as
G ood
O mniscient
D esigner
Black Cat, Your arguments attempt to follow logical progression but lack the veracity to sustain themselves.
*We have not yet found another planet out there that can support life, nor have we found life on another planet.*
Though we haven't discovered life beyond that on earth does not mean that we are alone in the universe! you are incorrect though about not discovering othe rplanets that can support life. Many class *M* planets capable of supporting life have been discovered. If we had means to go there and check them for life, probability is likely some do.
Using your argument, If God created the Universe, Where did God come from?
By your own rule of disproving the Theory of Evolution, I disprove your Theory of Creation by God. God can't exist because what was there before God? Who created God?
You can't sustain an argument with this type of *evidence*.
By the way, I do Believe in *God*, but not in the traditional sense that religions preach.
I also don't discount the Creation by God just as I don't discount the scientific evidence of the Big Bang. IMO, the truth of the matter is somewhere in between.
I'll respect a persons right to believe what they choose without redicule.
I have one opinion you may have another, that's fine with me
It EVOLVED from the events that occurred in our galaxy.
The origins of space and our galaxy have never been determined.
As with most known things, it's origin is most likely the result of a naturally occurring organic process, rather than orchestrated by some all knowing all powerful supreme ruler.
If God is God, don't you think he would advertise?
Voted : Evolution (No intelligence involved, just pure blind luck & total chaos & randomness)
microscoptic spores with awareness floated in from outer space
Why not both?
Voted : Creation (A higher intelligence or "God" put us here)
Trust a guy who's seen the process up close, okay? Oh, blackcat? *Breathe*...
light- it's my ninth seeding run. Have I gotten it right *yet*?
at the risk of insulting good people i have no intention of offending - i would say that it is highly unlikely we as humans could comprehend or even envision a being or force capable of creating this vast and awesome cosmos. to think otherwise strikes me as just a little egotistical. i know what i know, and i know there's quite a bit more i don't.
Just look at the complexity and engineering built into nature. It's extremely complex! If you think I am kidding, then try this challenge. Try to build for yourself a "copy" of a living thing found in nature, a plant or a living creature (eg. like a bug, or a fish, or an insect)... and see how close you get to making an identical copy... then build for yourself the means for it to be able to reproduce (asexually or sexually) and create copies of itself.
Use all your knowledge and engineering skills if you like. Spend as many years as you like even. The complexitiy of even the simplest living cell is so mind-boggling, even scientists do not fully understand how it works.
There is undeniable evidence of superior intellect in the designs we see all around us. The fact that we can recognize shapes and objects and colours with our brains is in itself a miracle! Have you ever programmed a machine vision system to recognize objects? (They are so slow and take ages to compare edge detection profiles to existing templates of known shapes) Have you ever built a full sized walking robot that could walk like a dog or a horse? EXTREMELY COMPLEX! So many muscles, joints, positions and forces to coordinate, just to do a simple thing like walk over flat surfaces! Even the world's best scientists and engineers have not yet built a mobile robot that can do everything that a cockroach or a humble house fly can do. Event he world's best chemists have not been able to synthetically duplicate the process of photosynthesis in a lab.
It seems as though the biggest pushers of the "evolution" theories are the bone diggers and excavators of dinosaur sites, who have very little experience in actually replicating or building biologically inspired machines and systems which mimic nature... The things that living things and plantlife can do by far outperform and exceed the capabilities of anything human engineers and scientists have been able to build.
There is just so much DESIGN & COMPLEXITY in animals and living things, these things just cannot be dismissed as random freakish accidents in nature, because our common sense tells us that perfect functional designs require an intelligent designer.
Honestly, biological systems and living creatures are made up of extremely complex bioengineered organs, cells and components that even today's best medical scientists and engineering experts cannot fathom. Brain scientists still do not fully understand how the brain works. Despite hundreds of years of study and research, scientists still know very little about the human body.
To those who ask: "What happened before God? Who created God?"... I say: "Well, if God created everything, including TIME, then there could not have been anything before him since he first had to start time (eg. like a person inserting a battery into a Universal clock to get it started)".
Put it this way. There is just way too much evidence to support intelligent design being responsible for the form and function of living creatures on the Earth today. You will not understand it unless you have tried to replicate or copy some of the amazing things that animals can do, and all this functionality and design had to come from something or someone, somewhere, with a higher intelligence.
If you found a brand new digital video camera on the street, that still works, you would assume it was designed by clever engineers right? You would not say, "Ah! This thing must have evolved over billions of years after trillions of random molecular mutations caused by random Earth weather patterns and winds that somehow collected together all the parts, sandblasting all the components into the right shape, assembling all the components and intricately etching the silicon chips and ROM instructions and the high resolution 3 Mega Pixel CCD photodiode arrays, and analogue to digital converters, not to mention the Li-Ion batteries... Yes, it's possible indeed! And as an added bonus, the wind also programmed the USB (HID) interface so the microcontroller chip inside the video camera can communicate with the latest version of Windows. Amazing how evolution can provide a satisfactory explanation for the origin of everything!!!!"
Oh and one more thing... the random winds somehow sandblasted the optics and lenses for that digital camera, to give perfectly focused pictures...
Now... just think about the eyes that you have, and how much more sophisticated they are than a digital camera. Millions of colour cells, the complex optic nerve which transmits electrical signals to the brain, the ability to focus on near or far objects, automatic cleaning and protection with eyelids, the ability to self heal minor scratches...
So are the human eyes just accidents of nature too?
Hun, even the design of that camera evolved. Now, I can't deny there is intellengence behind it's evolution, which is exactly my point regarding the creation.
We can't say it occurred in it's present form. there is evidence of it's evolution into what we experience today.
I don't argue that there isn't a *God* force, but, that we cannot exclude the process of evolution within the origin.
Voted : Evolution (No intelligence involved, just pure blind luck & total chaos & randomness)
Do you think we're perfect?
Humans are right and good?
Everything's looking rosey to you lately?
Puleeze..
WE are closer to a pestilence than anything else growing on this poor planet.
by Jyl on Wed Dec 27, 06 9:13pm
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Voted : Evolution (No intelligence involved, just pure blind luck & total chaos & randomness)
How does one disprove a myth?
Are you seriously telling me that this God bloke was sitting around and thought, I know I will create the universe and then have the people of earth worship me?
The only evidence I would postulate is that this god blokes ego must be pretty fragile.
What was the point?
Why does this trouble you?
Just accept that it's here, and get on with your life.
You don't HAVE to know the answer to every little question your mind can come up with.
Stop torturing yourself with un-answerable stuff, dude!
This kinda crap is what turns ppl MAD!
Can't believe I missed this ballot.
The problem with the choices is that Evolution by Natural Selection is very OPPOSITE of random.
"Darwin's ideas are all wrong."
Well... 150 years of scientific endeavour has yet to prove him anything other than right.
"He was a theoretician who provided zero proof to his theories about the origin of life."
Evolution by Natural Selection has nothing whatsoever to do with the origin of life - merely what happens to life once it has appeared.
Voted : Creation (A higher intelligence or "God" put us here)
It was the big guy upstairs.
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