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[+] serious ballot by passiveson
ACTIVE Sat Mar 10, 07 - Mon Mar 09, 09

Don't Say I Didn't Warn You!

In Ballot #111963, It is revealed that the government is in the process of constructing "Civilian Internment Camps", or prison camps, intent on installing a civilian inmate labor program under development by the Department for the Army.

Today, The Washington Post reports on a legislative plan In Colorado, since toughening the State's stance on illegal immigration, that will utilize the minimum security inmate population to fill the gaps on Colorado farms.
The inmates will earn the state's standard prison pay of $.60 cents per day.

Critics from every side of the immigration debate called Colorado's plan a deeply flawed stopgap solution to the chronic labor shortage, which afflicts agriculture from New York's apple orchards to Oregon's Christmas tree farms.

The basic problem is that the pay is so low that it's difficult for people to accept those jobs. If farm work paid a livable wage like any other industry, they wouldn't have that problem.

No one even seems to deny that immigrants are unable to earn a living doing field work, but it has been an acceptable exploitation of illegal aliens who come across the border to work for decades. Those who want to restrict immigration tend to agree that farm wages are too low for a person to live on.

With the stemming of a free pass across the southern border, for Colorado and several other State's, the inmate program has precedents. Farmers will contract with the state for the labor, paying the cost of transportation and guards.

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About 78 percent of the Nation's 1.8 million agricultural workers are immigrants, according to Department of Labor statistics. The majority are in the country illegally.

Nationally, there are 1.4M prison inmates, but only 18%, or 263,744 classified to minimum security. The numbers just don't add up for filling 1.8M jobs. We're about 1.5M short.

There are several issues to consider with this plan. The first is whether it's ethical to force prisoners to work below the National Minimum wage, paying only $.60 per day to preform back breaking labor.

Next is the possibility that the Civilian Labor Camps have a predisposed purpose. Namely, to gather up the many thousands of indigent, poor and homeless, charging them with various dubious (trumped up) petty offenses and sentencing them to work America's fields at $.60 per day, until they've paid the fines.

I think it's a discriminating way to rid ourselves of those that society deems less desirable. Many are mentally ill, handicapped, and some war veterens. In my opinion, they're not the scourge we need to purge ourselves or, it's these politicians who lost site of what it means to be America! Do you think it's right to make inmates work for $.60 per day? What of forcing the homeless and poor into camps to fill their agenda?

It's Unethical
Nothing Wrong With It


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COMMENTS:
Personally I don't really support the prison system, because 90% of those inmates are unfairly sentenced, minorities, and innocent men used as scapegoats.
There's maybe how many prisoners altogether that actually deserve their punishment. Prisoners are there to let people know their government is trying their best to protect you. Another cunning ingenious trick. See I'm considered a "minority", and when I get arrested, it is nothing like what you see on 'Cops' or the news, those cops are racist, trigger-happy, crooked, and they'll beat you to sign confessions to crimes, only one of which your actually guilty for.
A lot of men who do serious crimes don't get the harshest sentences too, why? Because the government needs sick bastards like them to continue running the streets scaring you people into believeing your in real danger, and you are, because of the government! Prosecutors are very evil too, they use their textbook skills to put the likes of many fairly bad but reasonably good men away. Ever wonder why prisoners are so morally inclined to shank up other prisoners that we're imprisoned for something like raping and murdering a child. Ever wonder why cops make the peisons a worse place to be by arresting so many gang members that have their pointless feuds?
The white justice system is something I could care less about.
What about righteous people, people that have killed someon in an act of natural justice, they should be congratulated, not given 2 consecutive life timers.
My point is, a lot of those inmates are treated unfairly before their even arrested.
by WinniethePooh on Sat Mar 10, 07 6:18am [+]

"The white justice system is something I could care less about."

Do think the system(as screwed up as it is granted)was designed to target black people?I don't buy it nor do I buy the debate that cops disproportionately target blacks for arrest.Cops target anybody they see as beneath them in stature that they deem a nuisance and this is JUST AS MUCH the case with whites as it is with anybody else.Having lived my share in low income neighborhoods I personally know this to be true.Actually I ponder that there are non-white groups that cops are reluctant to arrest or charge over concerns of race baiting lawsuits they could face.Furthermore I don't think you can cite a more fair non-white legal system,in law and in practice,that is more fair to blacks.
by robotthinker on Sat Mar 10, 07 7:17am [+]

Yeah, Poor Babies, my ass when they come haul you away. Don't think for a minute you're immuned. All it takes is for you to show those colors to the wrong person and I guarentee, it don't matter whether you did anything or not, By the time they get your tiennie bobbin goofy ass down to the jail, you might be lucky if they haven't stripped stripped and cavity search your ass. Nudiegurl
by passiveson on Sat Mar 10, 07 8:05am [+]

It certainly isn't a practical plan. And if I was a farmer, I wouldn't want criminals working near me even if they might be harmless. They must be desperate.
by skylab on Sat Mar 10, 07 4:31pm [+]

Voted : It's Unethical
Well now, I will go out on the limb to say that you have NEVER said anything TNG/Black_Larva to cause passiveson or anyone else here to dislike your simple arse 017

As for the ballot question, the American Criminal INjustice system is an anarchy system used by those who created and controls it against those who are considered undesirables and inferior...

Sometimes this system does get it right and incarcerate the guilty, however, many times Lady Justice is not BLIND...

The proposed camps already exist in many States, I guess the goal now is to legalize them...hmmmmmmmm...the sweet smell of plantations are make a comeback, oh yes, the good ole days!!!
by Barbara_Baby_Cakes on Sat Mar 10, 07 7:27pm [+]

Correction: are *making* a comeback...
by Barbara_Baby_Cakes on Sat Mar 10, 07 7:30pm [+]

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