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Voted : It depends
Philosophically, these two varieties of fundamentalists are virtually identical. In practice, at least in the current version of Muslim Fundamentalism seems worse -- i.e., they seem to be killing more folks.
Historically, however, Christian extremists have probably butchered as many if not more people.
So, I'd say in an historical context, it's a dead heat in a dog race.
Those of you voting 'no' should take a visit to Saudi Arabia, Iran or watch some documentaries of the Taliban.
Iran - where they imprison dissidents, journalists, a Nobel Peace prize winner, publicly hang gay mean, beat women at a peaceful demonstration, execute juveniles, torture people with regularity, and have an accused torturer lead their UN delegation for "Human Rights".
Saudi Arabia - where torture is an ingrained part of the judicial system, in a single case recorded by Amnesty International imposed 4,000 lashes on Muhammad 'Ali al-Sayyid, an Egyptian convicted of robbery in 1990 (50 every 2 weeks), where they flog people for even the smallest offenses (such as having alcohol), chop of hands and feet for stealing, execute people by decapitation and many other massive violations of human rights.
Taliban - where they executed and tortured not only adults but children too (source: UN report), engaged in public executions, women were forced to wear the burqa in public; were not allowed to work, could not attend schools, and where conditions were so bad that only 3 countries (Pakistan, United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia) recognized the government.
The ignorance shown in the vote totals thus far in this ballot are absolutely astonishing and frightening. Do you people have any real concept of Human Rights? Are you that incapable (mentally or otherwise) or ignorant that you cannot differentiate between Christian Fundamentalist and those of the current Muslim variety?
All the items I listed are easily found at sources such as Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the United Nations Human Rights council. It must be pretty bad when even the UN criticizes you (with the Taliban).
I'm not aware of ANY Christian Fundamentalist groups that are even remotely proposing any of the things that are a standard practice in countries governed by Islamic "law". There are active fundamentalist movements in many Muslim countries (with varying levels of support) pushing for an implementation of Islamic "law" with similar associated criminal "justice" systems and punishments to those listed above .
Tincan, it's my understanding that these are not muslim or islamic fundamentalists, they're islamic extremists, in a class equivalent to Al Qaeda, Hamas and Ji`hadists.
I'm not aware of ANY Christian Fundamentalist groups that are even remotely proposing any of the things that are a standard practice in countries governed by Islamic "law".
I am. Neo N**I's and the 3K's. May not be political powers, but promote such things none the less.
Voted : It depends
Only if they chop off heads, or fly into buildings.
I hate both of them really. Both have been responsible for a whole lot of sensless killing. I think the world would be better off without these chunks of human waste.
Sounds Like you're Hitler's Understudy.
I know of a lot of non religous cultures that are responsible for a whole lot of sensless killing as well. Perhaps we should just genocide the human race eh? We ought to start with anal idiots like you Colon B. You're a real shit factory with a geneous IQ.
Voted : No
The only intrinsic facet of this entire 'situation' is man's inhumanity to man. The absolute truth of the matter is that there is nothing intrinsic to Islam, or Judaism, or Christianity which promotes extreme, "fundamentalist behavior."
Fundamentalism, extremism, and radicalism have been employed to justify inhumane acts regardless of the belief system from which they emerged.
Crimes against humanity have been committed in the name of God. It does not matter who or what this God is.
" Neo N**I's and the 3K's. May not be political powers, but promote such things none the less."
Passivon, these groups are not as widespread as Muslim fundies or extremists. There are mnay more Muslim fundies in the world, and you really don't hear much condementation from Muslim groups about extremist attacks. the taliban and those other groups Are political powers.
by aya on Mon Mar 26, 07 8:01am
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And those of you who mention Crhstian fanatics, yeah, gropus like the Lord's Day Army are pretty brutal, but these groups are not as numerous and spread across countries as Muslim groups are. And if it's only extremists, those 500 Afghani students protesting for the death of that man who converted from Islam to Christianity, what about that? Are all these ordinary ppl extremists too?
by aya on Mon Mar 26, 07 8:04am
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Hi Aya. I wasn't trying to make comparisons of numbers, just point out the fact that muslims are not responsible for all hate crimes. We can't isolate one group out and rally against extreme behavior. That's what Hitler did.
Besides, there are a lot of other cultures out there that do extreme things commiting crimes against a brother, that have nothing to do with God or religion.
It doesn't matter that the Neo N**I's or 3K's are poltiical powers, or that the Taliban is, you don't isolate one group (religous or not) and promote hate, that's what the extremists do.
Many MuslimS have spoke up and condemned extremist muslim act's. Islam is a religion of peace and fellowship and I won't parttake in promoting condemnation of a group. I'm not Hitler's understudy.
" I know of a lot of non religous cultures that are responsible for a whole lot of sensless killing as well" No you dont. But you do sound like a person who needs anger management the way you attacked Colin_B for his perfectly reasonable opinion.
Applerod there is something intrinsic to these groups. its called religion. No matter how you look at it those people who flew planes into the WTC believed they were going to heaven. Sometimes normaly sane and rational peoplle do things in the name of religion that no amount of coercion under normal circumstances could achieve.
For instance prolifers who murder doctors in the name of a few undeveloped cells. Does it matter that they are killing someone in the name of pro-life? No, it doesn't. Odd contradiction dont you think. BUt without religion this is highly unlikely to happen because no rational person would do it.
The answer to this quesiotn IMO os no. there is no difference at all. No matter how you justify it any religios fundamentalist is as bad as any other.
How long will it be before those insne fundamentalists who believe in "rapture" will be howling for a nuclear war so they get their second coming. Fully justified by what it says in a fairy story book.
Religion is the source of this way of thinking and always will be. You never get atheist fundamentalists demanding you believe drwin or youll die and go to hell. Why not? Because you need a brain to understand it. Alas with religion any moron can claim to be religious and your not supposed to question it. Well screw that I DO question it.
I think my "a" key is broken :(
Islam is NOT a religion of peace. like christianity it is a religion of contradictions.
Quirk, Colin B's comment sounded like he meant ALL Muslims, though. I think that's what passive was attacking.
by aya on Mon Mar 26, 07 12:02pm
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Quirk, Like you know anything, huh!
Aya, Not just all muslims, but Christian fundamentalist too. Colin is saying, IMO, that all muslims and Christians should be eliminated. Another Hitler wanna B if you ask me.
He said he thought the world would be a bettter place. noone mentioned eliminated. I happen to think he's right. The world would be a better place without religion. Oh and great riposte passiveson.... NOT
Dont put words into peoples mouths so you can get all crappy with them. Seems to me like you make comparissons to suit your own agenda. Whats your excuse for that?
Is it possible your a religious apologist passiveson? A christian with fundamentalist perceptions that outweigh any common sense you may have? I think so. You dont see yourself that way. But why should you, if your a christian you can delude yourself into believing your doing gods will. Hitler killed the jews because he said, and i quote "They murdered jesus" so it appears, if im right, you do have more in commone with hitler.
Can we have another of your amazingly scathing responses please?
and yes, i was kinda quoting out of context, but if its ok for you, then its ok for me too.
I think the world would be better off without these chunks of human waste.
Both have been responsible for a whole lot of sensless killing
In context my friend, There is no other interpretation than the pot calling the kettle black.
If theat's to difficult for ya, his thinking the world would be better off without these groups is equivalent to "senseless killing".
As previously stated, spare me your nonsense.
"his thinking the world would be better off without these groups is equivalent to "senseless killing""
No it isn't and he's right the world would be a better place. Both have been and still are responsible for a lot of senseless killing.
God says homosexuals should be done to death. so from your logic god is actually as bad as hitler. Nice one. Theres me thinking you were religious too.
^You're an idiot. Go sell your nonsense on myspace.
Hey Quirk
I'm an idiot because you dont know what the hell your talking about? nice one einstein. So you just resort to insults as befits someone of lesser intelligence. Learn to debate fool.
It's not a debate. You and Colin seem to think some people should exist. I take exception to that and suggest you should grow up (wise up).
^That is "...some people should exist and others shouldn't..."
He said the world would be a better place, i agree. nothing to do with people not existing. more to do with religion not existing. You can take exception all you like to that. Again tho you have to have a little dig to show your (imagined) superiority. you think yourself an adult? then why resort to namecalling when people disagree? Or have different views? you rather we didnt exist?
I'm assuming you meant should't and not should.
Try and read what people say instead of reacting to what you think is being said. that way you wont try and tell people to wise up and may realise you aren't perfect yourself.
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