AFTER 9/11 SECURITY MEASURES WERE MADE. WHY NOT AFTER SHOOTING SPREES?

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AFTER 9/11 SECURITY MEASURES WERE MADE. WHY NOT AFTER SHOOTING SPREES?


[+] serious ballot by ClosetIguana
ACTIVE Sat Apr 21, 07 - Sun Apr 20, 08

Nobody is expecting any type changes to be made. Why is that.

There are no lessons to be learned
Gun lobbys have huge influence in the both partys
Security can only be possible with guns not background checks
Background checks takes away our freedom
As we learned from Virginia Tech, gun ban zones are self defense prohibition zones
'Only' 32 died, thus 'no big deal" ?


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COMMENTS:
Voted : There are no lessons to be learned
The irrationality of a thing is no argument against its existence, rather a condition of it.
~Friedrich Nietzsche

by elvislennon on Sat Apr 21, 07 11:12am [+]

Voted : Gun lobbys have huge influence in the both partys
"Almighty Dollar..."rolleyes
by Truthseeker013 on Sat Apr 21, 07 11:33am [+]

I guess it's easier to stop people hijacking an aircraft than it is to stop someone going in a college somehwere and start shooting people.
by Gnomehunter1 on Sat Apr 21, 07 2:03pm [+]

This is what a grad student at Virginia Tech wrote after a previous incident at the campus. He wrote it in article titled "Unarmed and vulnerable" for the Roanoke Times in Augsut 2006.

Wiles, of New Castle, is a graduate student at Virginia Tech.

On Aug. 21 at about 9:20 a.m., my graduate-level class was evacuated from the Squires Student Center. We were interrupted in class and not informed of anything other than the following words: "You need to get out of the building."

Upon exiting the classroom, we were met at the doors leading outside by two armor-clad policemen with fully automatic weapons, plus their side arms. Once outside, there were several more officers with either fully automatic rifles and pump shotguns, and policemen running down the street, pistols drawn.

It was at this time that I realized that I had no viable means of protecting myself.

Please realize that I am licensed to carry a concealed handgun in the commonwealth of Virginia, and do so on a regular basis. However, because I am a Virginia Tech student, I am prohibited from carrying at school because of Virginia Tech's student policy, which makes possession of a handgun an expellable offense, but not a prosecutable crime.

I had entrusted my safety, and the safety of others to the police. In light of this, there are a few things I wish to point out.

First, I never want to have my safety fully in the hands of anyone else, including the police.

Second, I considered bringing my gun with me to campus, but did not due to the obvious risk of losing my graduate career, which is ridiculous because had I been shot and killed, there would have been no graduate career for me anyway.

Third, and most important, I am trained and able to carry a concealed handgun almost anywhere in Virginia and other states that have reciprocity with Virginia, but cannot carry where I spend more time than anywhere else because, somehow, I become a threat to others when I cross from the town of Blacksburg onto Virginia Tech's campus.

Of all of the emotions and thoughts that were running through my head that morning, the most overwhelming one was of helplessness.

That feeling of helplessness has been difficult to reconcile because I knew I would have been safer with a proper means to defend myself.

I would also like to point out that when I mentioned to a professor that I would feel safer with my gun, this is what she said to me, "I would feel safer if you had your gun."

The policy that forbids students who are legally licensed to carry in Virginia needs to be changed.

I am qualified and capable of carrying a concealed handgun and urge you to work with me to allow my most basic right of self-defense, and eliminate my entrusting my safety and the safety of my classmates to the government.

This incident makes it clear that it is time that Virginia Tech and the commonwealth of Virginia let me take responsibility for my safety.

(remember he wrote this after a previous incident back in August 2006)
by Daughter_of_Khitai on Sat Apr 21, 07 3:44pm [+]

On April 18th, as reported on CNSNews dot com, Bradford Wiles stood by that opinion in the wake of this week's massacre, telling Cybercast News Service that "the only way to stop someone with a gun is somebody else with a gun."

"The entire campus was a place where someone knew they could inflict the most damage with the least amount of armed resistance, and that's what you get with gun control," Wiles said. "If you let people like myself carry a gun legally ... then you have the possibility of stemming the tide."

Wiles, who wasn't near the campus buildings where Monday's shootings took place, said he doesn't believe an armed student could have prevented all of the bloodshed. But, he added, "even if just one person is not shot by that gunman because somebody had their legally licensed concealed firearm on them, isn't that enough?"
by Daughter_of_Khitai on Sat Apr 21, 07 3:47pm [+]

Voted : 'Only' 32 died, thus 'no big deal" ?
I reckon an armed student could have prevented all of the bloodshed.
One clean headshot from the student,
and it's all over.

Difficult huh?
(and don't tell me you can't hit a large grapefruit at 25 yds.)
by aplmac on Sat Apr 21, 07 4:22pm [+]

(and don't tell me you can't hit a large grapefruit at 25 yds.)
by aplmac on Sat Apr 21, 07 7:22pm

I doubt that I could. Unlike grapefruits, heads on people are usually not sitting still to be shot at. Aim for the body is what I was taught.
by Daughter_of_Khitai on Sun Apr 22, 07 7:27am [+]






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