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PETITION TO BRING BACK HERZOG (THE GREAT)...


[+] serious ballot by Felix
ACTIVE Sat Apr 21, 07 - Thu Sep 18, 08

Well, after 2 months, I rather miss herzog's acid wit and unwavering devotion to a cause. He and I are both "conservatives," but it all goes to prove what a loose term that actually is. He's more the Heritage Foundation. I'm more the Cato Institute. He's more Russell Kirk. I'm more Ayn Rand or Milton Friedman. He's apparently neocon Republican. I'm Right Libertarian all the way. He's the NATIONAL REVIEW. I'm REASON MAGAZINE. And so on... Yet, I sit around here missing all the bombast. Even poor cranky's just a shadow of his former self, a distracted Professor Moriarty staring forlornly back into Reichenbach Falls and wondering if his arch-enemy will also bob back to the surface and climb to safety for another battle.

I'm not interested in making accusations or recriminations here. I'm familiar with the varying relations of facts from both LCD and herzog, and I'm not concerned with who was right or wrong. I could care less whether this is a First Amendment issue or even if there's such a thing applicable on a privately funded website.
It just would seem that herzog, even if he can access his account as B & W, cannot post ballots or comments, so he's effectively been muted.

Basically, I'd just like to see who else would like to see old herz back at the wheel again, making the world safe for neoconservatism. If nothing else, the fellow has an intellect, and I'm sure that even the most diehard leftist on the site has derived some amusement from a few of his posts.

If you feel the same, then voice your opinion here. Keep it civil, at least towards our host here, because, as I said, I'm not concerned with casting blame or aspersions.
this ballot was closed by maintainer :
LCD : on Sep 18, 2008 because .

Yes, bring him back.
No, you must be insane.
SORRY, THIS POLL
IS NOW CLOSED.

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COMMENTS:
YEAH!!! He's greater than Alexander and even the whole of Babylon. The best thing about him is he needles Elsie and draws the best from RamaDUNGs library of legendary insults ;-)
by Guest User from [208.53.138.157] on Sat Apr 21, 07 8:48pm [+]

Yeah, but....it's herzog's choice to come back.
by aya on Sat Apr 21, 07 9:02pm [+]

i think herzaog can comment, can't he/ i understood that he left b/c of a fallout b/w him and lcd.
by aya on Sat Apr 21, 07 9:12pm [+]

I'd heard different accounts as to his status. The most frequent one was that he couldn't post ballots, but could access his account. None of his old pals appear to have contradicted this.

So, what's the actual situation?
by Felix on Sat Apr 21, 07 9:18pm [+]

If he's ACTUALLY just miffed, then consider this a "herz, come back" kind of ballot...
by Felix on Sat Apr 21, 07 9:19pm [+]

I"m honestly not too sure, something happened b/w LCD and Herzog on a ballot about Israel and anti-semeticsim. I think herz accused LCD of anti-semetism and removed his superuser status, i thought that was all, but I really don't know the entire situation.

So, how're you? I just had 3 exams
by aya on Sat Apr 21, 07 9:39pm [+]

I used to post choices on his ballots just to get a predictable response. Not that I agreed with the guy, or anything like that. I don't know exactly why he got expelled, though.
by skylab on Sat Apr 21, 07 9:44pm [+]

Hello again, aya, we'd just been incredibly busy making some improvements to our house here or contracting with others to handle it. We've done a great deal since we moved in ten months ago, but my wife, in particular, has some more ideas. I also have been quite busy with my work and, in my spare time, with expanding my rare book collection. I'd been on a Victorian/Edwardian kick, thus all of the Sherlock Holmes business. I've a weakness for thrillers and the like from that era. This afternoon, I split my time between the local building supply company, a tree nursery, and reading a truly demented Edwardian comic novel, Clouston's THE LUNATIC AT LARGE.

I always hated final exams--and I was in college for a very long time, a decade cumulatively.
by Felix on Sat Apr 21, 07 9:57pm [+]

The herzog mystery continues.
by Felix on Sat Apr 21, 07 9:59pm [+]

I think they should also bring back FiddleFaddleOnLSD. At gunpoint if necessary.
by skylab on Sat Apr 21, 07 10:03pm [+]

I'll second that re: FFLSD, but this ballot's the missing persons report for herz. *L*
by Felix on Sat Apr 21, 07 10:12pm [+]

Voted : Yes, bring him back.
Aya is right. Herzog can come back at any time, as can FiddleFaddleonLSD. LCD is not preventing it. Maybe they made a personal choice or are busy or something, but I don't think there is any reason preventing Herzog from returning.
by patch22us on Sun Apr 22, 07 5:55am [+]

Voted : Yes, bring him back.
From what I have heard, he is not even capable of sending public/private messages... if so claims of "free to particpate" clashes with reality. Of course, he is not officially banned, but I would hardly call such a status 'free to participate' either.

LCD took away all his karma and blocked him from making ballots or comments at the time after herzog condemned the use of anti-semetic sites as unreliable sources. He got in trouble for sourcing a site, even though he only mentioned it to condemn it, and even though LCD specifically sourced it first.
by xxxxxxxx on Sun Apr 22, 07 6:48am [+]

However, I am not exactly sure what his exact status is now. But I have heard that he still cannot even send public/private messages.
by xxxxxxxx on Sun Apr 22, 07 6:49am [+]

Voted : comment

I miss Cathexis.
by mojo on Sun Apr 22, 07 7:46am [+]

I think Herzog had a problem with LCD creating a banner a the top of the page about Herzog. I don't blame Herzog for leaving after that type of bullshit.
by ClosetIguana on Sun Apr 22, 07 8:58am [+]

Voted : comment
So do I, mojo.
by Truthseeker013 on Sun Apr 22, 07 9:49am [+]

Well the results changed so quickly from a clear 'yes' majority to a sudden 'no' majority, that I think it is safe to suggest that this is mostly the consequence of a fool with numerous aliases. So the results cannot be trusted.
by xxxxxxxx on Sun Apr 22, 07 9:50am [+]

Yes, I noticed that too, a user, who, no doubt, brings a whiff of "DUNG" in with his arrival.
by Felix on Sun Apr 22, 07 10:38am [+]

Voted : Yes, bring him back.
To the best of my knowledge, LCD prevented Herzog from sending messages due to a large number of repeated challeges being sent to LCD. Herzog is welcome on the site, but as previously mentioned, his capacity for participation on here is equivent to being expelled. The status is unprecedented. I think if LCD isn't going to expel him, then he should restore him~

Please LCD, Herzog is one of the best users on the site. I hope you will forgive any offense you feel and restore him. Afterward, simply do what tell us to do when we're bugged by someone and block him. Lead by example, "Do as I say not as I do" has never been an acceptable philosophy.

Others may think of it as an admission you were wrong, that's understandable, but I would think of it as being merciful and caring, like a parent. Forgiveness is divine, and will clear the resentments from the mind.

Why won't you restore him and just block him? It would make more sense than the current disposition.

by passiveson on Sun Apr 22, 07 11:16am [+]

Aya IS herzog.HELLOOO!

Talk about being crazy? Aya, Are you Herzog? lol
by passiveson on Sun Apr 22, 07 11:35am [+]

TNG, What, I can't approve comments?

I don't have to agree with them, ya know?
by passiveson on Sun Apr 22, 07 11:44am [+]

Lmao @ "Get a grip Grandpa"

We can see who's really heading for suspension, even if you can't.

I think the shit you did to Samsonite should seal your fate. No-one should ever believe a word you say again. For what little future you have left here anyway.
by britvic55 on Sun Apr 22, 07 3:32pm [+]

I've been gone a while but I'm amazed at how loyal people are to this site and how regular so many post. I always liked the way Herzog stuck to his guns even though I often disagreed. He seemed to say what he really believed and was as tactful as his strong opinions allowed. I also wonder if Kev 24 will return and does anyone know what happened to Guy Cabalerro. Wasn't he in Iraq, I hope he's ok.
by VanHelsing on Sun Apr 22, 07 4:16pm [+]

Kev 24's alive, well, and has been in contact with me recently. That's about all there is to report.
by Felix on Sun Apr 22, 07 5:07pm [+]

Oh, it's O.K., passiveon, we're all accustomed to these digressions on ballots around here. One plot line intersects with another, endlessly.
by Felix on Sun Apr 22, 07 5:38pm [+]

Voted : Yes, bring him back.
"I think they should also bring back FiddleFaddleOnLSD. At gunpoint if necessary."

Who is they? The barrel of a gun?

"From what I have heard, he is not even capable of sending public/private messages... if so claims of "free to particpate" clashes with reality. Of course, he is not officially banned, but I would hardly call such a status 'free to participate' either."

From what I understand as well. As good as banned isn't it?

"I've been gone a while but I'm amazed at how loyal people are to this site and how regular so many post. I always liked the way Herzog stuck to his guns even though I often disagreed. He seemed to say what he really believed and was as tactful as his strong opinions allowed. I also wonder if Kev 24 will return and does anyone know what happened to Guy Cabalerro."

I agree. Welcome back VanHelsing

"Please LCD, Herzog is one of the best users on the site. I hope you will forgive any offense you feel and restore him. Afterward, simply do what tell us to do when we're bugged by someone and block him. Lead by example, "Do as I say not as I do" has never been an acceptable philosophy.'

Agreed but I doubt it will happen. He wasn't abusive like a number of other users that have free reign of this site. Users that call women the most vulgar of names (including the "c word"), that engage in childish banter and appear not to have anything of redeeming value to add to this site.

"I think Herzog had a problem with LCD creating a banner a the top of the page about Herzog. I don't blame Herzog for leaving after that type of bullshit."

It wasn't just herzog. It included me as well. It was in regards to a poor ballot LCD came up with. The criticism and responses LCD received on this ballot is what led to the negative chain of events. The same nearly happened to me but I think based on an earlier comment LCD had made that he was wanting to get rid of herzog. Just my opinion.

Whats all this about passiveson and derekD? I thought the ballot was about herzog.

Odd I chose today to look over some ballots. I've been busy and actually having more fun. More fun certainly than a website now dominated by leftist extremists. Not much fun being the only moderate to liberal democrat.

He should be reinstated fully ASAP. All this ordeal accomplished was the silencing of several people (not just herzog). There have been a number of users who have left since this event.
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by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Sun Apr 22, 07 6:13pm [+]

try again
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Sun Apr 22, 07 6:26pm [+]

I think things have been much clarified by this ballot, so I hope we might be able to bring some genteel pressure to bear to bring old herzog back. He was a necessary catalyst for some fascinating verbal conversations and, intermittently, brawls about here. ...And, as the ideological purity has increased, the site threatens to become something it never was before...unendingly dull. That, truly, is an undeserved fate for the place.

Now, I've a busy week before me, so I may be scarce again for a few days. I leave with much regret and perhaps some hopefulness.

So, as the old song goes:

"I'm blue ev'ry Monday thinkin' over Sunday
That one day when I'm with you.

It seems that I sigh all day Tuesday and I cry all day Wednesday

Oh, my, how I long for you.

And then comes Thursday
Gee, it's long and never goes by.

Friday makes me feel like I'm gonna die.

But after payday is my fun day, I shine all day Sunday
That one day when I'm with you."

...Naturally, this is sort of dedicated to B & W as a whole, not to anyone in particular...
by Felix on Sun Apr 22, 07 6:27pm [+]

And you name Phoenix_Rising in there.

lol. I don't see Pheonix_rising in there, do you?

phoenix :Damn Derek, _Beelzebubba_chimp
by passiveson on Sun Apr 22, 07 8:46pm [+]

Voted : Yes, bring him back.
Bring him back NOW!
by wideheadofknowledge on Sun Apr 22, 07 9:12pm [+]

Voted : Yes, bring him back.
BRING HIM FUCKING BACK!!!
by socal_sweetie on Sun Apr 22, 07 9:51pm [+]

i've been away for a week, too, I guess nobody noticed.

I might not come back either, but I probably will be back soon, without acting like an immature crybaby.
by LCD on Mon Apr 23, 07 12:10am [+]

Hi LCD, Welcome Back
by passiveson on Mon Apr 23, 07 3:23am [+]

Fiddlefaddle summed it up pretty nicely methinks.

I would have made a ballot like this a while ago, if I wasnt so utterly sure that it wouldnt encourage LCD to rectify his mistake.

You seem to retain some faith in LCD's abilty to be fair and objective Felix, in boca al lupo to you.
by kingAlfredTheGreat on Mon Apr 23, 07 2:09pm [+]

(Although calling him "the great" was a bit gay)
by kingAlfredTheGreat on Mon Apr 23, 07 2:59pm [+]

Voted : Yes, bring him back.
Yeah, allow the pencil-dicked little coprophage back, but make him use the alias "cunt". Because he is one.
by ramaDUNG on Mon Apr 23, 07 3:38pm [+]

RamaDUNG:

Why is it so many of your insults aimed at herzog involve explicit sexual imagery or deviant fantasies?

Not that there's anything *wrong* with that.
by Felix on Mon Apr 23, 07 9:48pm [+]

King Alfred:

Constantine the Great.

Theodosius the Great.

Catherine the Great.

Frederick the Great.

That Anglo-Saxon king...what was his name? Anyway, he was also "the Great."

Now, herzog the Great. *L*
by Felix on Mon Apr 23, 07 9:51pm [+]

I believe herzog's perspective must be considered on this ballot topic.

The following quote was taken from herzog's user page:



" "I have been expelled"

4/22 Update:

In response to ballot (114179) "PETITION TO BRING BACK HERZOG (THE GREAT)..."

I noticed there was some confusion as to my actual status on here and the reason for my leaving. So I felt I ought to spend a moment clearing some things up.


1) I am not free to participate on this site. Apparently the notion that I am free to participate on this site at any time has spread with some success, however I have to tell you that is a bald-faced lie. I came back briefly after he expelled me initially to clear up some misconceptions that had arisen about the situation with what I felt was a very well worded and fair ballot, it was immediately wiped. So I made another one several days later, again, like the first one it was wiped immediately after I hit submit. Either LCD was very much on the ball and was able to immediately wipe both mere seconds after I had posted them or he has it set up to automatically remove any ballots/comment I post. In both cases a reason was never given, they were simply removed immediately. And you can check my list of ballots to verify this, my last two will appear as wiped.

2) I am currently unable to send messages to any user.

Whenever I try either public or private messages I get this warning:


"Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /srv/www/vhosts/bestandworst.com/httpdocs/user/message/usercomment.php:27) in /srv/www/vhosts/bestandworst.com/httpdocs/user/message/usercomment.php on line 52

Sorry, your messaging privileges are suspended."

The sole exception seems to be that I am able to respond to public messages on my own userpage. But that's it. I cannot send private messages or public messages and can only respond to those who have written on my page. So with that exception and the ability to edit this user page text I am unable to respond to anyone on this site. BTW, I'd like to take this moment to thank everyone who has stood up for me as I couldn't really do it in private. Although I can still recieve your Private messages I can't respond, so I hope no one felt I was ignoring them. Feel free to keep sending me PMs, I do check them from time to time, but be careful as they are most definately monitored.

3) Even if this banned-in-everything-but-name ban is lifted I will still not participate without some promise on LCDs end to refrain from further politically influenced censorship. I do spend a fair amount of time researching and witting out my ballots/comments and I don't appreciate the fact that they can and will simply be removed on a very arbitrary basis if they happen to go against the site owners own beliefs. That is his right, as owner of this site, but I don't have to contribute to a forum that does not respect freedom of speech, and I refuse to do so.

4) I would advise everyone to do their own research on Chris Bollyns site (the site which LCD quoted extensively from then banned me for pointing this out). It is quite disturbing and I think you will see why I took such offense to his using it. Try http://www.XXXXhewitness.com/Bollyn.html, the XXXX = iamt. Quite an eye-opener.


So I think that about sums up my position. I have had fun on this site and would like to return one day as I greatly enjoy conversing with so many interesting people (the good users far outnumber the trolls, although it sometimes doesn't seem that way, heh). But I won't be coming back under the condition that I never disagree with the sites owner or face punishments and or expulsion. I refuse to participate under such limiting conditions.

That's all, feel free to message me if you have any questions/comments I'll try to respond in some way, and again thanks for the support."
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Apr 23, 07 11:05pm [+]

We all deserve a better site to go and spend our time on.
by mysticalknight on Tue Apr 24, 07 1:07am [+]

"Why is it so many of your insults aimed at herzog involve explicit sexual imagery or deviant fantasies?"

So you classify coprophagia as "sexual" do you, Felix? I see...

Besides which, herzog *is* a coprophage. We established that beyond any reasonable doubt in an earlier insult of mine, the one about him having bits of shit stuck underneath his fingernails.
by ramaDUNG on Tue Apr 24, 07 11:46am [+]

PS love the picture of herzog doing a Hitler salute, lol!
by ramaDUNG on Tue Apr 24, 07 11:47am [+]

Ramalamadingdong:

No, the feces munching would fall under the category of "deviant fantasies." That reply was a bit weak, so I'm sending you to the showers. Sorry, but herzog's not there as of the moment.

Heh-heh, we now have 2-to-1 for bringing back herz, so, hopefully, you needn't pine after him from afar for long.
by Felix on Tue Apr 24, 07 8:05pm [+]

I thought guy had been gone a long time cause it showed he made no comments since July 2006 but I guess he's been posting ballots all along. Glad your alive dude.
by VanHelsing on Wed Apr 25, 07 11:48pm [+]

Still running about 62% for...

So, who's telling the truth here? Why isn't herzog posting?
by Felix on Sat Apr 28, 07 11:32pm [+]

Voted : Yes, bring him back.
Bring him back!
by johann_moritz on Thu Aug 02, 07 9:57am [+]

due to the popular sentiment, I went over to herzog's house, and attempted to make him sit at his computer and log onto bestandworst.com.

he didn't like that, and he called police on me.

then the police told me how silly I am trying to make someone come back to my site.

then I woke up to the real world. Go figure.
by LCD on Tue Jan 08, 08 12:46pm [+]

he always had the same feature available to everyone else, despite his delusional belief that I somehow singled him out.

the short time that I banned him was result of dealing with his cronies wasting my time believing what he wrote on his page - much like him they seem to have a learning disability, they don't seem to comprehend or just don't give a flying ass about reality.
by LCD on Thu Sep 18, 08 12:36am [+]






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