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COMMENTS:
Voted : Yes, that sounds like a backward place
As a Westerner, I can't help but feel that such attitudes that kissing in public should lead to an arrest, are inferior.
And I find it hilarious that hippies in the West, with their 'free love' rhetoric, look to what they see as 'Indian culture' as their source of inspiration.
"What he did was very sweet. It was all in good humour."
(Quote: Shilpa Shetty)
Voted : It's a Bit Extreme
It doesn't sound like a backward place because it's not like this is India as one entity doing this...it's one faction of Indian society. An Indian court issues this and after all, it's not fair to take the ruiling of a Judge and assume that his/her ruling typifies the sentiment of an entire nation. It's extreme for sure, but I still really like India and this would not change my mind about visiting 
Patch- such things are still largely taboo in most of India.
^ How do you know? I just don't think your ballot choice "Yes, that sounds like a backward place" is fair or accurate. As I indicated, I think it's a bit extreme, but I bet if you asked most of the Indian people...the regular citizens, they'd agree that it was absurd.
patch- "How do you know?"
- I've studied India at a university level, so this is from readings and my lecturers who went to India to specifically focus their area of expertise on it.
"but I bet if you asked most of the Indian people...the regular citizens, they'd agree that it was absurd."
- Nation-wide? From Rajasthan to Kerala to Orissa? Doubt it. Perhaps if one restricted their poll to Mumbai and other such heavily Westernised cities. Other than that, I expect they are still very traditional.
Voted : Yes, that sounds like a backward place
Can't they just deport him to Tara Reid's house?
Okay Socrates, I guess (conveniently) you're just an expert on everything. Must be nice to be right all the time 
"but I bet if you asked most of the Indian people...the regular citizens, they'd agree that it was absurd."
- Nation-wide? From Rajasthan to Kerala to Orissa? Doubt it. Perhaps if one restricted their poll to Mumbai and other such heavily Westernised cities. Other than that, I expect they are still very traditional.
by Socrates on Thu Apr 26, 07 11:49am
I see. Sort of like how they are in the U.S South? Still very traditional, not interested in outside influence? Kind of have their own way of doing things? Like in Texas, how they're perceived as being wild and narrow-minded...beating up Gay people and Black people, stuff like that? I guess we can apply that to regional areas in the USA or any country for that matter. Fair assumption?
Voted : Yes, that sounds like a backward place
As I said before, how can such asinine mindsets exist in a country with a population of over a *billion* people?
Voted : No, not at all
Wowsers! studied India at the University Level? What a nice, sanitary way to master the intricacies of an ancient Culture without getting any Shit on your Shoes. God! I'm so stupid, why didn't I think of that?
Voted : Yes, that sounds like a backward place
I agree with you, but your arrogance still really annoys me.
"And I find it hilarious that hippies in the West, with their 'free love' rhetoric, look to what they see as 'Indian culture' as their source of inspiration."
"Indian culture" doesn't only consist of denying people rights to kiss in public.
I agree that this is extreme, but at the same time, Indian culture has existed for thousands of years.
by aya on Thu Apr 26, 07 8:10pm
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patch- "Okay Socrates, I guess (conveniently) you're just an expert on everything."
- I never said I am an expert, only that I have some study.
"I see. Sort of like how they are in the U.S South? Still very traditional, not interested in outside influence? Kind of have their own way of doing things? Like in Texas, how they're perceived as being wild and narrow-minded...beating up Gay people and Black people, stuff like that? I guess we can apply that to regional areas in the USA or any country for that matter. Fair assumption?"
- I will say the south of the US is more traditionalist. However, Indian traditionalism is more backward. For instance, do you think that if a man and a woman kissed in public in say Houston or Dallas that a similar 'crisis' would occur?
And you speak specifically of the American south? I mentioned India from Rajasthan (north-west) to Kerala (south) to Orissa (north-east) so I wasn't being specific of any particular area. I was only mentioning that Westernised cities like Mumbai and such would be an exception- but on a nation-wide analysis, there is overall still a traditionalism that seems to be existent.
spanky- "Wowsers! studied India at the University Level? What a nice, sanitary way to master the intricacies of an ancient Culture without getting any Shit on your Shoes."
- What you seem to be implying is that because I have not actually been to India, that any knowledge I gained by reading, research, and speaking experts on the matter does not really count? I disagree. That is like assuming that an astronaut would know more about astronomy than an astronomer, which is not necessarily the case.
aya- "I agree that this is extreme, but at the same time, Indian culture has existed for thousands of years."
- Just because something has existed for a very long time, that does not necessarily mean that every single part of it is good or wholesome. Gandhi himself argued that progress is made by first admitting that certain specific flawed traditions are backward.
himself- "I agree with you, but your arrogance still really annoys me."
- Don't confuse careful confidence with arrogance.
" "Indian culture" doesn't only consist of denying people rights to kiss in public."
- Of course it doesn't. Luckily no one ever said that on this ballot. There are many brilliant aspects to Indian culture: a philosophical contentment to find an inner-peace and to learn to share that with the world, a strong work ethic, traditional cuisine and clothing, a general drive not to be indulgent in materialism, and desirable aspects are existent in their familistic values. However, nonetheless overreacting over a public kiss is one aspect that clashes with the rhetoric of hippies.
No, I didn't imply anything, I came right out and said it, you don't know anything until you've gotten your hands dirty. What you are basing your opinion upon is someone else's bogus impressions reduced to writing. Apparently the Philosophers at some 'Universities' don't teach students to question everything written. In short, it's all hogshit until you're actually in it. The only aspect of a Culture that's to be learned from reading, is the language. Otherwise, it's all hearsay from an Author with an agenda. save your Tuition - go have a Cup with the Goatherds of the Mahabharat- watch the Swine gobble-up your morning Bowel Movement-change money on the Black market-hear the howl of Babys as they shit their lives away through dysentery shredded assholes. It will change the way you think. The more I travel, the more I understand the Phrase; Yo se solemente yo se Nada. As far as the Astronaut-Astronomer analogy,it doesn't apply, both of those Disciplines are Quantifiable (ein wahrheit)outside of demography, Cultural Anthropology is not. And The 'Experts' you speak of? Privileged Sihks from the Punjab?, Peace Corps volunteers with more than one tour?,former state department Suck-ups that sold their friendship for a few Rupees? Beware of people with a lot of Letters following their Names...they've rarely known a real days work.
Voted : No, not at all
It's their culture and he knew the rules. Gere was being silly.
It's a shame that many westerners think that their particular culture rules should apply in a country different from their own. Worse when they make a big noise complaining about an actor who was being deliberately silly by snubbing those local cultural rules of another nation in a game of dare as if just because he's famous, thinks he can get away with anything he wants.
I never said I am an expert, only that I have some study.
by Socrates on Fri Apr 27, 07 2:46am
Well Socrates, all I'm saying is like another user I know, no matter what the topic, when presenting YOUR view, you always seem to be able to pull some kind of "credentials" and "expertise" out of your hat and like a miracle, are an expert on every subject, issue, and historical event under the sun.
How do you manage to be an all-knowing Oracle and still have time to do mundane human things like eat and sleep?
Aw Patch, you're brutal.
spanky- "And The 'Experts' you speak of? Privileged Sihks from the Punjab?, Peace Corps volunteers with more than one tour?,former state department Suck-ups that sold their friendship for a few Rupees?"
- Actually, they are left-wing sociologist intellectuals who have lived and travelled around India. They didn't really have a clear agenda. Their principle argument was similar to that of Daughter_of_Khitai's: that 'yes, traditionalist attitudes remain deeply part of the mainstream of Indian society, but no, we as Westerners are in no position to criticise it.' From their point of view, it is neither 'right' or 'wrong' for them to maintain strong traditionalist attitudes, as these intellectuals are staunch moral relativists, thus having no real agenda I can speak off. The simply stated their experiences and did not offer any subjective critique.
patch- "Well Socrates, all I'm saying is like another user I know, no matter what the topic, when presenting YOUR view, you always seem to be able to pull some kind of "credentials" and "expertise" out of your hat and like a miracle, are an expert on every subject, issue, and historical event under the sun.
How do you manage to be an all-knowing Oracle and still have time to do mundane human things like eat and sleep?"
- I study the stuff because it is part of my degree to do so (Asian and International Studies). If I didn't do the required readings and such, where would I be when the teacher fires random questions at random students and when the students openly and aggressively critique each other's opinions? I am also hoping to do post-grad. So of course I must do a lot of reading and such. The focus of my study is mostly on Asia, but there's quite a lot about Russia and the West as well. I wouldn't say I am an expert on these things or an all-knowing oracle about it- I would best describe myself as a keen student. My knowledge of Africa and Latin America on the other hand is very very limited- I have not done much study on them unfortunately.
As for balancing my studies with recreational time? Sometimes it can be stressful, but I manage somehow.
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