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SHOULD CITIZENS BE COMPELLED TO PAY FOR THE EDUCATION OF ILLEGAL ALIENS?

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SHOULD CITIZENS BE COMPELLED TO PAY FOR THE EDUCATION OF ILLEGAL ALIENS?


[+] serious ballot by Felix
ACTIVE Sun Apr 29, 07 - Mon Apr 28, 08

Each year, tens of thousands of minor illegal aliens from Mexico flock to United States public primary schools across the border in Texas. For example, in El Paso, Texas, this sort of crossing is so common, that a special traffic lane has been established just for these students. "The Houston Chronicle" reported that on one recent Sunday more than 1200 students passed along this El Paso lane alone. Some were legal college students and the like, but not the majority.

The costs of educating these illegals has led to a fierce public debate in Texas, where, for example, the aforementioned El Paso school district expects 10,000 new students within the next 5 years and has been obliged to start a new $230 million bond initiative to help cover these added costs.

Elaine Hampton, professor at the University of Texas-El Paso, states that a major contributing factor to this influx has to do with the fact that the Mexican public schools in border cities, such as Ciudad Juarez, are bursting at the seams, at Mexico's explosive population growth has outpaced the funding available from the Mexican federal government. The excess population is then pushed to attend U.S. schools or risk no education.

There would appear to be few legal ways to control this illegal influx, as, once a parent has established residency--but not legal residency according to immigration law--such as with a utility bill, then the child can attend. To be fair, some of these kids were born in the U.S. and are citizens, but many, apparently, are not and are getting a free ride off U.S. taxpayers. Illegals' using fake I.D.'s of friends or relatives is a major problem for many districts and difficult to detect, as are other, similar dodges.

(Source: Associated Press)

So, what do you think? Should citizens be forced to pay for the public education of illegals, including initiatives to allow them to attend public colleges?

Yes, seems reasonable to me.
No, I disagree with this policy.
Comment
Virtually ALL illegals be (should have been) 'escorted' out of this country!
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COMMENTS:
Voted : Yes, seems reasonable to me.
Isnt this a little selfish?
by quirk99 on Sun Apr 29, 07 5:50pm [+]

Selfish how? In that we should pay someone else's bills for them?

Would you care to pay for my kiddo's babysitting tab for the next year, if you're so generous?
by Felix on Sun Apr 29, 07 5:53pm [+]

^I have kids. But I think everyone should be educated. Dont you? or are you a selfish bastard?
by quirk99 on Sun Apr 29, 07 5:56pm [+]

Oh, because I don't want to pay for someone else's kids, I am a "selfish bastard"? Why stop with Mexico? I'll bet there are a few hundred million people who'd love to send their kids to the U.S. or Canada to be educated, if it were possible. When do we say, "Enough!"?

We now have 12 million illegals, conservatively, in this country, so how many more kids can we expect to add to our educational system. Some countries already send quite a few students here legally--China, South Korea, India, etc.--but they pay their bills.

How much strain is the system supposed to take and out of whose pocket should the needed cash come? This is only "selfish" if you feel that it's reasonable not to ask any questions about the total social and economic costs.

I think only a complete lamebrained idiot wouldn't ask those questions.
by Felix on Sun Apr 29, 07 6:00pm [+]

They would need to be more careful in addressing this issue than they were with Medicaid, where many American citizens lost insurance because of red tape used to catch illegals.
by skylab on Sun Apr 29, 07 6:07pm [+]

Felix your countries foreign policy signs 30,000 children every day to their death. you talking about a little discomfort and i want to hit you so hard.
by quirk99 on Sun Apr 29, 07 6:11pm [+]

^ Why do you want to hit such a smart and nice guy? Is it because you KNOW he's right and you're wrong? I hope so.
by mysticalknight on Sun Apr 29, 07 6:19pm [+]

^oh god someone told me about people like this... mysticalknight save your breath. i know your an arse licker and a racist. you make his position weaker by your very suppoet. now f&ck off!
by quirk99 on Sun Apr 29, 07 6:47pm [+]

Quirk99:

Please try to focus, for, oh, just a few seconds. I know that it's rather difficult, but make the old college try.

First, this is couched purely in terms of costs of illegals as students to U.S. citizen taxpayers. It has nothing to do with U.S. foreign policy, or any of its ramifications. What you stated re: foreign policy's utterly irrelevant from a cost-benefit standpoint.

Second, even if it were relevant, you can't just pull a figure like "30,000 children a day" being sent to death by U.S. foreign policy out of your ass and expect us to take it seriously. Try to attribute your source, and tell us a bit about their methodology. It helps.

mysticalknight, thank you for the assistance, although, obviously, we're dealing with an utter ranting lackwit. She thinks emotional outbursts and name-calling constitute an intellectual rejoinder to facts presented.
by Felix on Sun Apr 29, 07 7:39pm [+]

No problem, felix.

Why is it that certain people (mostly half-wits like quirk) from other countries think they know what they're talking about when it comes to this issue? They do not live in America, therefore they do not experience this problem first-hand like most Americans do.
by mysticalknight on Sun Apr 29, 07 10:54pm [+]

Voted : No, I disagree with this policy.
I think that we should provide limited literacy and Adult Basic Skills (ABS) in the spirit of providing opportunity for residents of mexico, in mexico.
If not for a humanitarian reason, then in the interest of reducing the sense of necessity felt by Mexican citizens to cross the border illegally by improving their lives in Mexico.

The teach a man to fish parable.
by passiveson on Mon Apr 30, 07 12:52am [+]

^Perhaps an issue more suited through the support of the UN.

MK, there does appear to be a level of contempt directed at Americans on this site from various international locales.

Most times I witness this, the abasing attitude and accusations appear resentful irrespective of the forum. I put my money on Jealousy and envy.
by passiveson on Mon Apr 30, 07 1:23am [+]

Voted : No, I disagree with this policy.
However, if there are citizens who are interested to pay voluntary taxes to such things- then good- let them.

More efforts should be focused on improving living standards of Mexicans within Mexico- sending in a greater amount of capital, investment, and employment. This worked for Japan's policies toward South Korea and Taiwan which now all have very high standards of living. You see Japan didn't limit itself to just letting in all the poor South Koreans and Taiwanese that could a few decades ago. Rather it focused its policies on outsourcing of jobs to these countries, investment, encouraging a free flow of capital into them. This technique has worked for the most part and has allowed South Koreans and Taiwanese people to become wealthier within their own nations, which sounds much better than condescendingly permanently seeing Mexico and Mexicans as fixed charity cases incapable of lifting standards within their own country.
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Apr 30, 07 7:24am [+]

Some called Japan's polcies toward South Korean and Taiwanese immigration as cold in contrast to the West's policies toward illegal immigration. However, you tell me which is a better success story: Japan's policies toward South Korea and Taiwan OR USA's policies toward Mexicans and Mexico?
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Apr 30, 07 7:26am [+]

quirk- one is not any more or less correct for being louder or ruder.
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Apr 30, 07 7:27am [+]

Voted : Comment
Actually, these illegal aliens are as much victims of the "global economy" as any American. Should we have to fund their education? Well, we are already funding education for all manner of miscreants, why not illegal aliens?

Of course, there are lots of "why nots." Still, you hate to ask the children to pay for the sins of their parents.
by margaret123 on Mon Apr 30, 07 8:38am [+]

Look its quite simple. most of these places would be better of id it wasnt for americas greed. karma me and act like children if you like. the truth is simply to obvious for you to understand. america? ha what kind of mind assumes the usa is america. pathetic.
by quirk99 on Tue May 01, 07 6:18pm [+]

I really do believe the inhabitants of the usa are dumb. no reservations on this i think your all brainwashed idiots. well there are exceptions. unfortunately its not helping much. the majority are still credulous citizens of the land of the free. who sneak about backstabbing people because they cant admit to their duality. revenge is useless when you cant win. impotence more severe. and from my point of view damned amusing.
by quirk99 on Tue May 01, 07 6:26pm [+]

quirk- which do you think is a better success story: Japan's policies toward South Korea and Taiwan OR USA's policies toward Mexicans and Mexico?
by xxxxxxxx on Wed May 02, 07 7:39am [+]

So everyone should be educated quirk? That's easy for you to say, your country doesn't share a 2,000 mile border with a poverty stricken country. Your country doesn't have millions of illegals flooding across its borders. Mexico is up to its eyeballs in corruption. That is a huge part of Mexicos problem. I live in Texas and have heard this from Mexicans, no matter if they are here legally or not. So you think 300+ million people are brainwashed idiots. You like to generalize? Okay then I think Brits are drunk, violent, uneducated and suburnt because that's who I met in Greece,Spain and Barbados. Make sense?
by mindy on Tue May 08, 07 12:32pm [+]

*sunburnt
by mindy on Tue May 08, 07 7:58pm [+]

Voted : Virtually ALL illegals be (should have been) 'escorted' out of this country!
Let them establish new 'hispanic' communities just across the border, in Mexico, and let them have 'guest passes' when needed to work across the border in the States.. Americans should not have to pay for Anything for those who are Illegals..!
by HocusTocus on Sat Nov 17, 07 6:08pm [+]






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