MY PERSONAL RELIGIOUS THEORY - WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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MY PERSONAL RELIGIOUS THEORY - WHAT DO YOU THINK?


[+] serious ballot by keithsheen
ACTIVE Thu Jun 07, 07 - Fri Jun 06, 08

I have long had a religious theory, which I formulated myself in my early 20s. I doubted it was original, as it seems too obvious, whether right or wrong, to be original. I since discovered more or less the same theory made earlier by the novelist Kurt Vonnegut and another novelist (George Orwell?) though I imagine it goes back at least to the time of Darwin (whose mention will instantly send fear and loathing into the hearts of some blinkered religious nutters).

My theory is this:

If you and I and Tony Blair and George W Bush and Kevin Spacey and Graeme Garden and Bjork and America Ferrera are all made up of millions and millions of individual cells, each of which is alive in itself, yet we (usually) have ONE overall consciousness...

...then...

...take all of the animal and plants on the Earth and consider them as individual 'cells' that might perhaps have an overall consciousness of their own.

What might we call that overall consciousness?

May I suggest.... GOD.

Your thoughts, please.....

God


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Voted : God
I'll go with this answer!
by RunsWithScissors on Thu Jun 07, 07 7:10pm [+]

I think the Earth is alive and us and the animals and bugs are all little micro-parts. Some of us think we're mental giants but really all of consciousness is connected, to Earth.
That's just me though.
I've been listening to Python's "Galaxy Song" every day :p
by Jyl on Thu Jun 07, 07 8:09pm [+]

Well, Keith, it seems to me that there might be one flaw in your theory. Might, understand. Doesn't it seem necessary that we live in infinity/eternity? I mean there can be no beginning, because if ever there was nothing, then nothing is all there could ever be. So, this stuff didn't begin. Hence, it has no ALL. When you speak of a totality of life, an ALL, then you make the error of imposing finite (a sum total) on eternity, which isn't possible. So, for me, whatever is going on here (and there is CERTAINLY something going on) has been forever and will be forever, and is unsummable and just fucking miraculous. Haven't a clue.

Still, I like your expansion of consciousness to include more.

"God" is eternity itself for me. The ground of being out of which infinite forms arise, dance, and sink back into God, only to arise, dance again...forever and ever.
by margaret123 on Thu Jun 07, 07 8:22pm [+]

Whoa, Margaret123 - heavy answer indeed! :)

Well most of the cells in my or your body live only a small part of our overall life.

And, actually, 'imposing a finite on eternity' is very possible, mathematically speaking. Add a half plus a quarter plus an eighth plus a sixteenth (you see where I'm going with this)... add an INFINITE number of terms in that sum and you'll still never get as far as the humble number 1.

As for the wider implications of your comment.... if there IS now then how could there ever have been NOTHING? Well isn't that what creationism is all about? But then there must have been this hyper-intelligent being that was just sitting waiting to create since ever before.... but then again, if there was nothing at all????

Either way it makes no sense, that I can understand. Please respond with your thoughts :)
by keithsheen on Thu Jun 07, 07 9:07pm [+]

Interesting theory
by skylab on Thu Jun 07, 07 9:08pm [+]

Keith, if i interpreted correctly your words your theory is akin to a very old theory called cosmic pantheism.
by seamus on Fri Jun 08, 07 12:58am [+]

keith, that scares me no end, to think that Mister Bush might be part of the Management Gestalt...
by Truthseeker013 on Fri Jun 08, 07 6:26am [+]

^^ I agree. I wouldn't classify Bush and Blair as having consciousness.
by _Beelzebubba on Fri Jun 08, 07 9:49am [+]

^Keith: Nothing = Nothing. Can't get beyond this. Hence there was always something. Hence, infinity. With regard to mathmatical limitations, well words are like numbers in that they pretend to stand for things. The problem is, of course, that words and numbers were designed by and for converse with phenomena -- with the world of forms and ideas. When you attempt to use them for more than this, they turn to gibberish and doubletalk. Can't go there. Words and numbers are bounded (themselves having beginnings and endings). So, they can't really stand for things like eternity and infinity, although we have these words that pretend to. Jabberwocky. Zen has been trying to demonstrate the ultimate futility of words to get at the ultimate -- or the eternal, given that there is not, in fact, an "ultimate." Ultimate depends on hierarchy, which does not/cannot exist in eternity. Hierarch exists only within magnitudes -- which have ultimate numbers and such, but exist only within a greater, and eventually, eternal/infinite reality.

Now, where DID I get that pot? lol
by margaret123 on Fri Jun 08, 07 4:53pm [+]

Playing games with labels is fun. I'm renaming my toilet "God." You guys can start worshiping it tomorrow. Right now I gotta take a shit.
by RobinGaylord on Sat Jun 09, 07 2:00pm [+]






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