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COMMENTS:
A couple of reasons:
1. They perceive the republicans as being more in tune with their moral values than democrats.
2. They perceive that republicans are stronger on national defense, security and anti-terrorism.
There are more, but that's a start.
^good list. feel free to add choices
by LCD on Fri Jul 06, 07 12:12pm
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Voted : moral values
because raping the Earth and pumping all of our power into the Military Industry are real moral things to do
by Jyl on Fri Jul 06, 07 12:25pm
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^ morality as they see it. "thou shalt not kill" doesn't enter into it unfortunately.....
by LCD on Fri Jul 06, 07 12:26pm
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Voted : many things:
Not all 'poor people' want a free ride/"bigger check". Some want: a strong military to keep peace through strength; curb litigation costs (fat lawyer/ACLU fees) which are ultimately passed on to taxpayers; give priority to citizens and communities over criminals; and quit frightening senior citizens about Social Security by preserving the safety net.
There are more.
^That was I.
Some who live 'paycheck to paycheck' choose to not save part of their money and make unfortunate choices. Give up a couple of things and save a few bucks for the inevitable 'rainy day'.
okay, let's cut your check to $0 and use it for defense.
I never believed in welfare anyway. hey, I thought you were suspended, how did you get back in? Damn, I gotta build those 18' fences... but then, You would just crawl under/over/go around wouldn't ya?
welcome back, now play niceee :)
by LCD on Fri Jul 06, 07 12:55pm
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I can't figure this out either.
The Democrats are notorious for giving away handouts while the Republicans seem to be the ones that fleece the middle class to benefit the rich.
This makes about as much sense as working folk supporting either party.
There are some good ones in the 2-party system like Rep Kucinich who wants to impeach the crooks and Rep. Ron Paul who wants to abolish the I.R.S. Of course, those guys will be made out to look like lunatics by the corporate run propaganda machine.
Voted : moral values
Speaking from the perspectives of several Black people I know who are lifelong Republicans, I say this. I have a personal theory that, back during slave times, Blacks had very little of their own, save their faith. When the GOP branded itself the Party of Faith, it followed that some Blacks would flock that way. Not all, by a longshot, but some. IMO, please remember.
Guest User? Is that Herzog? Someone should just give him back his user name. I don't know why he was blocked but banning him seems a bit harsh.
Voted : They are often misinformed or Misled
I find it difficult to believe as well. I think more often than not, you find poor people in the Midwest and the South are staunch Republicans and I can't figure out why. I think some of it has to do with what TinCan listed, but also, I think the Republican party has done a great job at marketing themselves in such a way that appeals to people's emotions and sense of national loyalty and identity. They've been successful at positioning themselves as "better for the country."
I think the mainstream of the Republican party are, for the most part, regular people, but what I think what many people fail to realize, is that the power elite within the party are extreme elitists. They don't view low-to-middle income Republicans as an assest, they view them as a cash cow...a cash cow they like to keep down. If anyone really studied the Republican agenda, they would see that the leaders of the party are not at all concerned with the problems facing regular people; they're much more concerned with helping corporations and other high-ranking members of the party.
At least the Democratic party seems much more concerned with the social programs that are supposed to help poor people (though they may not always run as effectively as they should).
I have an issue with the upper ranks of the Republican party and less with the mainstream members of the party. At least that's my opinion.
LCD: obviously I am not suspended. If that's what you want - you do own the site - just do it. I am not a Democrat and that seems to be reason enough for you to twist the focus of the ballot.
LCD: you seem to imply that I am not playing 'niceee' simply because I believe differently than you. Maybe you can just get out your machine-gun and black toilet plunger, again.
Your ballot asked a question, my answer was 'wrong'.
I am not a democrat either, but I don't foam at the mouth like you do.
WhAtEvEr..... lol
by LCD on Fri Jul 06, 07 2:44pm
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and no, I am not going to touch your sex toys... lol
by LCD on Fri Jul 06, 07 2:46pm
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LCD: I donot 'foam at the mouth'. Clearly you donot like me and that is okay. I only wish I knew why. Is it because I am Black? Is it because I am female? Is it because I am a Conservative? Is it because I speak my own voice?
Why would you ever say 'sex toys' when bashing me? The black toilet plunger reference was certainly not a sex toy (not for me, at any rate) reference; or have you forgotten calling me a black toilet plunger in my very early days on this site? About that same time you suggested 'lining up all conservatives and machine-gunning them to death'. Not only was it a dumb statement, it hurt me deeply, which may have been your motivation. (?)
Why cannot non-conservatives/non-republicans treat others with courtesy and civility? Why must they resort to name-calling and spinning of facts?
I have know Democrats to own Mercedeses and shiny new yachts, by the way.
Maybe 'poor people' have freedom to vote for whoever they wish, as do other people.
Voted : They are often misinformed or Misled
They view Republicans as the party of "us" (whites), and have been tricked into believing their problems are the fault of immigrants, minorities, gays, etc. Since Republicans hate those groups more than Dems, they back Republicans.
democrats love to raise taxes, why would someone who barely makes enough to get by vote for people who will take even more of it and give it to someone else?
a lot of "really poor people" work very fu@kin hard for the little bit that they get and they dont see why they have to share it with people that wont do the same.
Voted : COMMENT
Johnny Reb - You win The Comment of The Day Award.
Anyone who wants to think for themselves can read and verify every word you said.
You make a good point JohnnyReb, but can I make a counter point? Republicans tax the lower-to-middle classes a great deal more than they do the wealthy, so how is that fair? People who earn over, let's say $500,000 per year or more, get far more tax breaks than the poor. Why is that? The Republicans give more perks and tax breaks to the wealthy. Warren Buffet just made a statement along those lines...his view was that the well off, who should pay more taxes, get massive tax breaks and tax shelters under the Republican's. Shouldn't it be that the lower to middle class pay less in taxes overall than the wealthy?
The way I understand it is, when Democrats have raised taxes, they tend to tax the wealthy more and not middle class.
You're right about people who work hard not being able to shoulder more tax burden, but ultimately, they do under Republicans. And that is all fact.
I found the articles that Warren Buffett is quoted in. Here are the excerpts:
Mr. Buffett, who probably does not feel sick when he sees his MasterCard bill in his mailbox the way I do, is at least as exercised about the tax system as I am.
Put simply, the rich pay a lot of taxes as a total percentage of taxes collected, but they don’t pay a lot of taxes as a percentage of what they can afford to pay, or as a percentage of what the government needs to close the deficit gap.
Mr. Buffett compiled a data sheet of the men and women who work in his office. He had each of them make a fraction; the numerator was how much they paid in federal income tax and in payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare, and the denominator was their taxable income. The people in his office were mostly secretaries and clerks, though not all.
It turned out that Mr. Buffett, with immense income from dividends and capital gains, paid far, far less as a fraction of his income than the secretaries or the clerks or anyone else in his office.
Further, in conversation it came up that Mr. Buffett doesn’t use any tax planning at all. He just pays as the Internal Revenue Code requires. “How can this be fair?” he asked of how little he pays relative to his employees. “How can this be right?”
“There’s class warfare, all right,” Mr. Buffett said, “but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”
This conversation keeps coming back to mind because, in the last couple of weeks, I have been on one television panel after another, talking about how questionable it is that the country is enjoying what economists call full employment while we are still running a federal budget deficit of roughly $434 billion for fiscal 2006 (not counting off-budget items like Social Security) and economists forecast that it will grow to $567 billion in fiscal 2010.
When I mentioned on these panels that we should consider all options for closing this gap — including raising taxes, particularly for the wealthiest people — I was met with several arguments by people who call themselves conservatives and free marketers.
One argument was that the mere suggestion constituted class warfare. I think Mr. Buffett answered that one.
Voted : They are often misinformed or Misled
I think many people (poor included) look to the rich as being more capable of lifting them up to a higher level or out of poverty than someone from the middle class...which is unfortunate because many rich people would not be rich if it were not for all those less fortunate people to exploit...or use...
"forgotten calling me a black toilet plunger in my very early days on this site"
keep quoting me out of context and lie behind my back, and I will treat you like you deserve to be treated no matter what color you may be.
you are a pathetic excuse for a human being. I don't know what your problem is, but obsessive psychos like you are what;s making this site less and less pleasant to visit.
Keep monkeying around, and your OTHER aliases are going to go too.
gave you plenty of chances, and still you don't get it.
Purchase a lifestyle, and stop being an ass.
by LCD on Mon Jul 09, 07 12:01pm
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"They are often misinformed or Misled"
This attitude is precisely the reason why democrats lose elections against people like Bush. Leftists treat those who disagree with them with contempt. They view them as "stupid" or "ignorant". They aren't. However, that continued attitude is why the term "liberal" is viewed negatively these days. Its the "we know better than you" or "hush, we are smarter than you" attitude. Keep that attitude and you will continue to get the results you been getting. Maybe if leftists treated the electorate with respect instead of calling those who don't vote your way as "stupid" and better results will follow.
Voted : COMMENT
"can someone tell me why a poor americans living paycheck to paycheck would possibly support an administration that are spending like they just won the lottery, and kiting checks that their children and grandchildren will eventually have to pay for?"
by LCD
For the same reasons that they would support a liberal administration with the same spending habits. Republicans don't have a copyright on bad spending.
It's on a smaller level, but the same happens in my county. The largely democratic local government have run the place into near bankrupty with everything from bad economic decisions to using county money for personal expenses. But the people who elected them keep on following blindly, believing in their promises, and stuck in the odd notion that they're "for the working man".
No one is calling anyone "stupid" TinCan. I'm certainly not at least. Saying they are often misinformed or misled speaks to the untruths that the Republican party spreads about what they truly stand for. That's not to say that the Democrats don't do that as well, but this ballot topic is about "poor people supporting the Republican party." You can have your opinion, but I think you are misunderstanding the intention of the choice. Please feel free to make one about the Democratic party along these lines and I would add the same choice.
The fact is, anyone can be intimately familiar with the workings of a political party and we can all read, see and hear...if people are paying attention, it's pretty clear that what comes out of the mouths of the leadership in both parties is pretty much half-truths and in some cases blatant lies. So saying they are misled or misinformed is actually, the reality. At least that is my opinion based on what I have learned. Perhaps you know better though?
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