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Voted : no it's perfectly understandable
anyone who votes "no, it's perfectly understandable" maybe enlighten us why it's okay and share your position on gun usage and control in the united states. enthrall us with your wisdom.
^ my bad. my vote was supposed to be "yes, its excessive."
Voted : no it's perfectly understandable
I shall now enthrall you with my wisdom.
Its Football.
Nah just kidding, they should get a grip. After all, Saudi Arabia are crap anyway. :0
Maybe fireworks would be a better idea?
I'm happy they won.
i read a story where some Iraqis were celebrating and ran out of a cafe with gun shouting 'god is great' the Americans were at first worried, because they thought they were insurgents.
i think it's funny. Besides, this is an entirely different culture
by aya on Sun Jul 29, 07 6:44pm
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Voted : no it's perfectly understandable
It's understandable but it's dangerous.
It's understandable because that's how they celebrate. Hell, we're in their business enough allready, are we supposed to start telling them how they should hold their birthday parties?
Dangerous because those bullets have to land somewhere.
i think it's funny. Besides, this is an entirely different culture
by aya on Sun Jul 29, 07 6:44pm
^ so if it is part of a people's culture, say from their history, that makes it okay? hmmm. think people would let an american get away with saying that -- say, a texan who carries a gun? afterall it's part of his culture.
Voted : yes it's excessive
i thing it would be better if they would let their women flash instead
by ABC on Sun Jul 29, 07 7:55pm
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Voted : yes it's excessive
I could make a nasty, biting comment about this being the result of five-plus years of US occupation having a direct cultural effect and- oh. So I did. Night, all.
Truth out. Movies to see tomorrow...
^ you could, but why would you? long before we came along they did this. didn't you ever see it on the news when there was a pro saddam rally, and even old women decked out in their full length burkas were firing ak-47's into the air?
gee, sort of like this one. note the kid.
"so if it is part of a people's culture, say from their history, that makes it okay? hmmm. think people would let an american get away with saying that -- say, a texan who carries a gun? afterall it's part of his culture. "
This is just how they celebrate over there, and it least it wasn't from gun violence, for once. They're not accustomed to Western ways. Besides, with a Texan, it's different.
by aya on Sun Jul 29, 07 9:01pm
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^ why? seriously, i've read so many people freak out when someone says "its part of the american culture" on tons of topics and people skoff. so i'm just curious why it's okay for them and say "it's part of their culture." and how is a texan different?
and it is gun violence in a way, since their firing automatic weapons in the middle of the street. so why is it okay for "them" but if anyone defends a texan and says "it's part of the texas way of life" people dismiss it?
just curious here.
^ why? seriously, i've read so many people freak out when someone says "its part of the american culture" on tons of topics and people skoff. so i'm just curious why it's okay for them and say "it's part of their culture." and how is a texan different?
Well, far as I know, this is an illegal activity in America. Even in Texas, I don't think it's legal to go out and just shoot in the air. People really defend Texans doing this?
"and it is gun violence in a way, since their firing automatic weapons in the middle of the street."
They probably don't have the same type of gun laws as we do here, though. This type of way to celebrate has been going on for decades. It is a bit exessive? Yes. But it's commonplace in the Middle East. Unless they get better law and order over there (Iraq), this type of way to celebrate is just going to keep on happening. And they don't have much to celebrate about. YOu would think that people would develop more common sense, like for example, not to give a kid a gun, like in your pic, but hey, sometimes people leave guns in the house in the reach of children.
by aya on Sun Jul 29, 07 10:21pm
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^ i didn't mean that do this in texas or the united states. they don't. but the right to bear arms is in our constitution and in places like texas, it's something they are very serious about.
my point was that when "others" butt in about our internal laws and someone replies "it's part of the american culture," we get skoffed at.
i'm not saying i'm for gun ownership, cuz i'm really not. it's just the principle of the matter. people will dismiss such things like firing automatic weapons in the streets when they win a soccer match as "it's part of their culture," but when fans get unruly at a soccer match in europe, they're "hooligans" or "acting like barbarians." so if we so readily find a rationale that makes it okay for how they celebrated in iraq, aren't people really saying "well, they just don't know any better and they're not as civilize as we are." see what i mean?
i'm not sure if i'm making my point the right way. here's what i mean as an example.
alot of well-intentioned liberals in the west will get all worked up and in a rage over the death penalty. they'll rant and rave about the united states and the death penalty, even if only a very small number of people are actually ever put to death in the prison systems.
then a story will break about how in iran the government executed someone or exacted some awful physical punishment on a criminal and those same well-intentioned liberals will totally dismiss it like "oh, well, you know, that's part of their culture." huh? that's pretty much like saying "ahh well, we don't expect much from those barbarians." least thats how i see it.
same with china. they execute more people per year than all other nations combined and people will totally ignore it and focus on the u.s death penalty. how can that be right?
This is really more about politically correctness from the left?
by aya on Mon Jul 30, 07 12:42pm
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same with china. they execute more people per year than all other nations combined and people will totally ignore it and focus on the u.s death penalty. how can that be right?
I think, I"m not sure, that the death penalty in China was like, 15,000 a year. I read in Jan Wong's China (a reporter who wrote about her experiences there), when an official said, "We need the death penalty at this stage, we can't afford not to have it." The execution rate is partly because of an increasing gap between the gaves and have-nots. The rich provinces like Guanzhou (not sure if that's spelled correctly), and poor places like Gansu (where mental retardardation (agggggggg) is rampant.
by aya on Mon Jul 30, 07 12:44pm
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As per your examples, what I notice, and (this comes from both the right and the left in my interactions), is the fact that what people do is they generally grab on to one or two things they don't like. So, if you dicuss Islam with a Muslim, maybe even criticize Islam, there is a very good likliehood that he/she will dismiss your arguement and instead focuse on only the things that exacerbate terrorism, if not degenerate into an anti-Bush tirade. Same with members of the extreme right-wing, who will sometimes turn a blind eye to things like poverty and like, and only focus on the negative in Islam. Or, sometimes they'll say things like "well, look at what's going on in Iran. If you don't like it here, go breathe on the other side of the world. This is still the most free country in the world." This is a way to negate any ills of American law (gun laws) or a way to deflect attention from what's going on at home, by looking only at what others do.
I hope that made sense.
As for Iraq, I'm just glad they're not INTENTIONALLY shooting anyone.
by aya on Mon Jul 30, 07 12:51pm
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^ but they are. maybe not during the soccre win rally. that's another story though. but there are two standards, if not more. "it's part of their culture" is over-used in my opinion and under-used as well. make sense? so what they do is okay cuz it's "who they are' but if the same took place in lets say manchester england, there would be shock and horror and no one would allow the excuse, "oh, they've been doing that in manchester for 2 hundred years, it's just part of their culture."
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