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WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN EXPOSED TO UNETHICAL SITUATIONS?

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WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN EXPOSED TO UNETHICAL SITUATIONS?


[+] serious ballot by jappy
ACTIVE Fri Aug 03, 07 - Wed Apr 28, 10

Let's be a little more specific with this one though. I belong to a forum that discusses the performance badged cars of the Dodge/Chrysler line up. I don't do much there in terms of administrative activity but I do operate the thread that is specific to the commemorative edition version of one specific car.

A couple of days ago someone who owns one of the 200 cars shows up and starts a thread, basically this is what he says:

"parting out 2005 commemorative edition with 40000 miles. engine tranny seats rims anything you want must be local in rhode island u can take the car and do whatever you want with it, i just need the shell back for the repo man lol call brett xxx-xxx-xxxx leave a message for brett"

At first I thought this was due to an accident, but then realized that no, he was seriously parting out a rare car simply because he could no longer pay for it. At the very least it's unethical, if it's not illegal it's got to be close. At that point I saved the information with screen shots and also started a thread letting this guy know that I was going to report him, with his VIN number off his car, his phone number, and his first name, all the info that I had, to the State Police Auto Insurance Fraud division, just in case he tries to report the car stolen.

Well, all hell has broken loose, so much so that the site, with 50,000+ members, is shut down right now, basically about 2/3 of the people there are supportive of my actions and 1/3 think I am being overbearing, not minding my own business, or they have worse things to say to me.

My point is this: It's one thing to do something this stupid, but when you bring it out onto a forum on which I spend a lot of time, and you promote it as though it's humorous, then you better believe I'm going to go after you. If he's received repossession papers, that is notice that the bank now considers itself the lone owner of the car and any actions that lower the value of the vehicle at that point are criminal, especially when those actions are in response to the notice of repossession itself.

All that's come of it is that the Rhode Island State Police have started a case file and will watch that VIN number, and if it's not reported stolen or vandalized (classic insurance fraud) then there isn't much they can do anyway, unless the finance company presses charges.

Either way it irks me when people act like it's not anyone's business when someone is doing something like this. What are your thoughts on this particular situation?

You did the right thing, what he is doing isn't right.
You did the wrong thing, it's none of your business.


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COMMENTS:
You did the right thing.
by RunsWithScissors on Fri Aug 03, 07 6:38pm [+]

Voted : You did the right thing, what he is doing isn't right.
Why did the site get shut down? By the state police? Or did irate members cause it?

We're in the process of doing something similiar on a site I admin on. But I dont know what became of it yet, if anything.

There's some pretty serious criminal activity going on out there though. If someone confesses to such on a site, it could be enough to get that site involved with the authorities.
by Grumpy_Person on Fri Aug 03, 07 6:43pm [+]

Voted : You did the right thing, what he is doing isn't right.
This was a rhetorical question, right? I mean, REALLY, jappy!? You KNOW you did the right thing. The unethical people will scream the loudest; because what you did makes them have to look in their own backyard. I say, let them scream. And if in the end the site leans toward them, and you are no longer welcomed? Well, c'est la vie. Their loss, not yours.
by contragrain on Fri Aug 03, 07 8:26pm [+]

'At the very least it's unethical, if it's not illegal it's got to be close'

'u can take the car and do whatever you want with it, i just need the shell back for the repo man lol'

You say you don't know whether he's doing anything illegal, but you believe it's unethical.

He says he's going to give the shell to the repo man, which sounds to me like he's not going to hide anything from them. They'll take him to court for the balance of what he owes, if what's left of the car doesn't cover his balance.

Basically you've reported a crime that hasn't happened and isn't likely to happen. Just because YOU thnk it's unethical.

I think it stinks! dude.

Hey, you asked my opinion. :o)
by britvic55 on Fri Aug 03, 07 8:46pm [+]

No problem brit, you have the balls to leave a comment at least, I saw a couple of votes right away that I just attribute to "oh it's jappy, he did the wrong thing, I'm not reading, just voting that way".
by jappy on Fri Aug 03, 07 8:51pm [+]

The website is still down, not sure what is the deal, longest it's been down in some time. No biggie, it will likely be up tomorrow.
by jappy on Fri Aug 03, 07 8:52pm [+]

britvic does have a point in the fact that no one knows if the guy has been taken up on his offer. It's likely that no one will take him up on the offer NOW. If you tell someone they're receiving stolen merchandise, and they take you up on it, then they become accomplice. That part could get technical in court, I guess. You may have saved this guy and others a lot of trouble in the long run; but, they're probably such big asses they won't admit it. Meanwhile, you are just being you. That's your style, and it takes all kinds. Remember, "to thine own self be true." I'll be honest. When I saw the support for the "wrong thing" choice, it occurred to me that some of those votes may have been placed for the reason you said. Hey, you're a fairly abrasive person; but, even if you were one of the one or two people on this site which I don't much care for (and you aren't) I still would have said you did the right thing. For jappy to do something else would have compromised his principles. I respect principles. Even if I don't agree. As long as they're not hypocritical. Did you see my ballot on misyar marriage? I'd be interested to get your take on the principles which these guys have. (shameless plug for another ballot, I'm not above doing that) lol
by contragrain on Fri Aug 03, 07 9:12pm [+]

But Contragain. In my opinion the guy is not stealing, and there is no proof to the contrary.

For all anyone knows, he may just be behind on his payments and forsees the appearance of the repo man.

As I said, if what was left of the car was reposessed it would be auctioned off and he'd still be liable for the balance. It's a civil matter, and going by what Jappy has said the police aren't even interested. Unless he reports it stolen, which he hasn't?

You don't agree with how a guy handles his finances, you think it's unethical, so what? It's between him and the finance company. If he is doing anything illegal, the finance company will bring charges themselves.

Hang on, gotta make a call to the law. The guy next door is digging the garden. He may be burying a body. :o)


by britvic55 on Sat Aug 04, 07 5:31am [+]

britvic makes the best point. i totally see where jappy is coming though and this is something he feels strongly about. just be careful jappy. it's a slippery slope to accuse someone of actually committing an illegal act -- just reporting this guy opens you up to civil action if it were proven that there was no truth to the claim, etc. these are confusing times and sometimes you think you're doing the right thing and end up getting screwed yourself.

anyway, i agree with brtivic but i also totally respect jappy's feelings on the issue.
by Kev24 on Sat Aug 04, 07 6:25am [+]

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