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Voted : HIV causes AIDS
I'll try to go through these one by one. These individuals are far off the mainstream road on this topic and some have changed their views on this subject.
Dr. Casper Schmidt disagreed with Dr. Robert Gallo's discovery of HIV. He wrote "The Group-Fantasy Origins of AIDS", which is published by the Journal of Psychohistory. He posits that AIDS is an example of "epidemic hysteria" in which groups of people are subconsciously acting out social conflicts, and compares it to documented cases of epidemic hysteria in the past which were mistakenly thought to be infectious. Schmidt died of AIDS in 1994
Some have changed their views. Robert Root-Bernstein, author of Rethinking AIDS: The Tragic Cost of Premature Consensus and formerly a critic of the HIV/AIDS paradigm, has since distanced himself from the AIDS dissident movement, saying, "The denialists make claims that are clearly inconsistent with existing studies. When I check the existing studies, I don’t agree with the interpretation of the data, or, worse, I can’t find the studies ". He now believes that HIV and other co-factors are responsible.
Duesberg, the leading denier has made some of the more unusual claims. He considers AIDS diseases as markers for drug use, e.g. use of alkyl nitrites among some homosexuals, pointing out a correlation between AIDS and recreational drug use. This correlation hypothesis is considered disproven, however, by evidence showing that only HIV positivity, not homosexuality or recreational/pharmaceutical drug use, predicts who will develop AIDS. At a very controversial conference in South Africa, the village voice reported his presentation this way (Duesberg) "gave a presentation so removed from African medical reality that it left several local doctors shaking their heads."
In the case of Andre Chad Parenzee, an Australian man convicted of passing HIV to others the judge rejected the qualifications and testimony of the AIDS dissident witnesses including Dr. Elenis Papadopulous-Eleopulos. The presiding Justice John Sulan found that Papadopulos-Eleopulos lacked training and expertise in the field of biology, and had misrepresented the positions of others in her testimony. His finding was that: Ms Papadopulos-Eleopulos has no formal qualifications in medicine, biology, virology, immunology, epidemiology or any other medical disciplines. She has never treated or been directly involved in clinical trials of any kind relating to any disease. Her duties at the Royal Perth Hospital are to test people for sensitivity to ultraviolet radiation.
She has not read or she has chosen to ignore an enormous volume of recently published material on the diagnosis and treatment of HIV/AIDS. She has been selective in the material upon which she relies, "her qualifications do not provide her with the academic study required to give opinions on medical and scientific matters unrelated to nuclear physics." He further noted that she had no practical experience or formal qualifications in virology, epidemiology, electron microscopy, biology or immunology. The judge found that: ..she is not qualified to express opinions about the existence of HIV, or whether it has been established that it causes AIDS. Nor has she expertise to express opinions about whether the virus is transmissible. Nor is she qualified to express opinions about the tests that have been developed to diagnose the virus. Also, "Dr." Papadopulos-Eleopulos claims that she has been a professor of medical physics at Royal Perth Hospital, a teaching hospital at the University of Western Australia. However, according to a presentation by John P. Moore, Ph.D., at the XVI International AIDS Conference, she has no academic appointment. Moreover she does not hold a doctorate; her highest academic degree is a Bachelor of Science degree in nuclear physics from the University of Bucharest. Her duties at the Royal Perth Hospital are to test people for sensitivity to ultraviolet radiation.
I can go on if you like...
The evidence is overwhelming. I can point you to this document and hundreds of others which are based on volumes of peer reviewed studies and evidence. niaid. nih. gov/ Factsheets /evidhiv. htm
I still like cake.
Fiddle, I'm not saying HIV doesn't cause AIDS. I'm just asking the question. I still think there's a lot MORE we need to know about this terrible disease. If we only look at what we already know, or think we know, we limit ourselves.
Voted : HIV causes AIDS
^There is a lot more to learn. But science will not move forward if incorrect theories are not disproven immediately. These dissidents are on really shaky ground, and their theory is incorrect. Everyone who gets AIDS had HIV first, true?
britvic, I bake you cake. you look for internet wifey, no? then I smash cake on you face, you like?
Voted : As with you, I never heard this before, and I need more information.
Medicine's just not my forte.
contra... where do you find this stuff? I really think this ballot is a bit irresponsible especially coming from you. I've not known you to give much space to fringe elements before.
Sorry, dude. The jury decided this case a LONG time ago. There is more to learn about it but as far as what causes it, that's a medical fact. I can document as to why this is true using standard scientific principles. It certainly doesn't bring any credibility to the deniers when they use a fake erm... non-doctor with no expertise in this area to try and make a case. Reminds me of the 9/11 nuts.
As I said before, I can provide you with mountains of evidence. You can also spend some time reviewing all of the International AIDS conferences material. Where the effort needs to be made is with a vaccine and drugs to treat AIDS. This stuff forces real scientists and doctors to respond to crackpot theories and its a waste of time and effort for real scientists and doctors. More importantly, it takes time and effort away from saving lives. Its akin to the little kid who says "why" to everything someone says. None of these people have made a convincing case and I am familiar with them. Anyways, your source is obviously biased as "Dr. Eleni" is no such thing. She has a bachelor's degree and that's it. The fringe denier websites like to claim she is a doctor but she isn't. As I stated above, she doesn't even have any expertise in the field. Read the niaid pamphlet.
"Everyone who gets AIDS had HIV first, true?"
True
Okay, fiddle. I just thought if I could find it by accident, someone else on here might find it and believe it. We're just a casual website. I never said I even tended to believe their theory. BTW, you apparently have quite a bit more expertise in this subject, and have followed it more closely for a longer period of time, so I ask:
You stated that some of these doctors (Root-Bernstein) have since distanced themselves from the movement. You stated that others have "changed" their views. Hopefully Dr. Mullis is one of the ones changing his views, eh? There are nine people pictured. You have taken GREAT EXCEPTION with ONE (and with good reason, I'm sure).
I know you feel strongly about this. I respect that. But to lump all these doctors together as "crackpots" is just unfair. Dr. Kary Mullis is no "crackpot." Maybe he just didn't have enough information at the time. Dr. Root-Bernstein is not a "crackpot." At least while in the discussion phase, we need to allow doctors enough latitude to discuss theories which may be, as you have pointed out well I might add, WRONG. Doctors are on too much of an ego trip as it is, IMHO. Let them make mistakes while in the discussion phase; but, I want them to WORK medicine on me, if I need it. I'll forego the medical PRACTICE  (thank you very much) in that case.
As I said, this is a casual website, and WE are having a casual discussion. We're not slowing down anything in the process. So let's not overestimate our own importance, okay?  Sorry to hear about Dr. Schmidt. Seems his erroneous assumptions cost him dearly. I hate to hear that anyone has died from this dreaded disease.
"Sorry, dude" Please don't call me "dude" in this context. From what I've heard, "dudes" are dingleberrys on an elephant's butt, and I understate when I say that I'm "distancing myself" from Republicans at this point.
I wonder why these DAG people left this pic on the net? I just pulled it off about 4 days ago. If Schmidt has been dead since '94 I guess the info is outdated. 
Yeah like smoking doesn't cause cancer and driving an SUV doesn't assist global warming.....
Voted : HIV causes AIDS
Uuh, YEAH!
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