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Voted : this is the result of shoddy and tainted standards in china
the list is unbelievable. just take a look at a partial list -- FDA "refusal reports" filed by U.S. inspectors: -Juices and fruits rejected as "filthy." -Prunes tinted with chemical dyes not approved for human consumption. -Frozen breaded shrimp preserved with nitrofuran, an antibacterial that can cause cancer. -Swordfish rejected as "poisonous." -In the past year, USDA teams have seized hundreds of thousands of pounds of prohibited poultry products from China and other Asian countries, Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns announced in March. Some were shipped in crates labeled "dried lily flower," "prune slices" and "vegetables," according to news reports. It is unclear how much of the illegal meat slipped in undetected. -Chinese counterfeit glycerin found in cough syrup has been linked to more than 100 deaths in Panama. -First director Zheng Xiaoyu was convicted of taking bribes from domestic pharmaceutical companies to approve untested medicine and was later executed. -In June 2007, the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration ordered a recall of 450,000 defective radial tires for pickup trucks, sport utility vehicles and vans. A New Jersey importer notified officials that its Chinese manufacturer had stopped including gum strips, a safety feature that holds the tire together and prevents it from separating. U.S toy firm Schylling Associates recalled 24,000 Chinese-made "Thomas & Friends" spinning tops, made from 2001-2002, with wooden knobs that were painted with lead-based paint. They were made by Hansheng Woodware Factory--also in southern China. -Toys are not the only defective products that could potentially harm US consumers. Add to the list pet food, toothpaste, seafood, pharmaceuticals, vitamins and food additives. (The Chinese government says it has closed over 180 food plants.) -In the latest health scare the Shanghai Daily reported on Friday that city officials had seized more than a ton of kelp soaked in a toxic chemical to keep it looking fresh. They also found fake wine and vinegar. - over 100,000 chop sticks recalled because the distributor was just re-using chop sticks and never bothered to sterilize them - cardboard, soaked in a caustic chemical, baked and being sold as bread
geez, now who's biased?
by LCD on Wed Sep 05, 07 5:33pm
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^ r u serious? dude, you didn't include any facts in your ballot and your wording was totally biased and unreliable. i'm presenting fact here. big difference. climb down off your bitter soap box and get a reality check. maybe if you presented fact and not innuendo, i might not have said you're biased. and gee, you're a spiteful little man, aren't you?
Another triumph of political correctness over facts.
^ what do you mean?
I mean how people won't hold China responsible. Basically I'm agreeing with you.
^ that's my point. it's cuz there are certain people afflicted with a mental disorder -- namely that the west must always be wrong or somehow to blame. they're the self-loathers. the people who need to beat themselves up and blame themselves or their country, especially a western country and particularly the u.k or the u.s.a for all the ills in the world. facts stare them in the face but their own mental afflication prevents them for dealing in fact and reality and from just admitting the truth. they disgust me.
here's a partial list just from jan 2007 January 2007 Toxic Overalls: Samarra Brothers recalled Chinese-manufactured children’s two-piece overall sets because the coatings on the snaps in the overalls and shirt contain excessive amounts of lead, posing a serious risk of lead poisoning and adverse health effects to young children. Fire Hazard Heaters: Family Dollar Stores recalled 35,000 oscillating ceramic heaters that were found to overheat and smoke, which could pose a fire hazard to consumers. Bad Wiring In Fans: Holmes Group recalled about 300,000 Chinese-manufactured oscillating tower fans that were found to have bad wiring that creates a fire hazard. Dangerous Candles: Sally Foster recalled over 46,000 sets of imported Tea Lights candles after it was reported that the candles have a clear, plastic shell that can melt or ignite, posing a fire or burn hazard to consumers. Dryers With Electrocution Hazard: Metropolis Beauty recalled about 18,000 Travel’N Baby Mini Hair Dryers, which were not equipped with an immersion protection plug to prevent electrocution if the hair dryer falls into water. Improperly Wired/Flammable Lamps: Hong Ten Trading recalled about 4,000 electric oil lamps that had power cords that were not correctly secured and had no strain relief on their switch housing. The switch housing was also not flame-retardant, which poses a fire hazard.
Voted : this is the result of shoddy and tainted standards in china
I think the overwhelming majority of the blame falls on China however what viable solution is there?
^ good point. the ultimate cause is globalization. it's ultimately corporate greed here in the west and in asia. hell, all over really.
Ultimately the responsibility for dangerous products lies with whoever manafactured them. On the other hand, if I want my car re-sprayed and choose otis, cos he does it in his back yard for $50, over Fords $1000 dollar job. I think I'd be kickin' my own ass if it went tits up.
... And don't be givin' me any shit! Champ. You asked my opinion. 
^ well then it would be china, wouldn't it? if they're paid to manufacture the products and are given all the specs and safety standards to follow, but then turn around and without consent, substitue in lead paint or some other unauthorized product, then it's their fault, isn't it? safety protocols by mattel for example obviously caught the problem, so they did their job. right? unless of course you're saying that western nations are so superior to china that we can't possible expect them to be responsible to follow the directions they're given to build the products they're being paid to build. is that you're viewpoint?
"According to The Los Angeles Times, Cheung Shuhung, a co-owner of Lee Der Industrial Co. in southern China, hanged himself in the company's warehouse over the weekend. Apparently, Cheung was sold the defective paint by his best friend, alluding that he knew the paint contained lead. (Mattel had found nearly 1 million plastic preschool toys contained excessive amounts of lead and the company reports that the recall will reduce it pre-tax operating income by $30 million.)" ^ so britvic, you're saying that mattel is responsible for the fact that this guy did a dirty deal behind their backs and his own friend screwed him? hmmm. are you sure about that?
Voted : i really don't blame china.
not JUST China, I mean.. No, I blame EVERYONE :) The book-light I got for $12 that died in a week.. it was manufactured for probably 5 cents, shipped across the world, then sold for $10. *I'm as much to blame for buying that crap as all the different people who invested/made/shipped/sold it.
by Jyl on Wed Sep 05, 07 7:04pm
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(Oops sorry, I didn't notice the lil' war going on here, I just said exactly what I feel. I'm not gonna fight you guys. Excuse me.)
by Jyl on Wed Sep 05, 07 7:06pm
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Nope, I'm saying Chinese goods are cheap, nasty and sometimes down right dangerous. If certain companies want to cut costs by using chinese factories, on their head be it. C'mon Kev, be honest, do you think these companies use Chinese factories for their safety record, it's so some big fat f*ck company director can have that bigger house?
What is it, with girls and war!? Lol.
C'mon Kev, be honest, do you think these companies use Chinese factories for their safety record, it's so some big fat f*ck company director can have that bigger house? by britvic55 on Wed Sep 05, 07 7:11pm but they're not using chinese factories britvic. didn't you read this ballot or lcd's? you're not going to get me to agree with you on this. mattel's factory in china was paid for by mattel. it's mattels (cept of course china makes claim to 50% of everything in their country.). using your logic, it's saying that western companies who build factories in china, train the workers on the schematics, etc., and only have the products assembled there, are somehow responsbile for the dirty deals that the people in china who oversee the factory put together. how is that logical? that's letting the dirty dealer's off the hook. using your logic, it's the same when a guy robs a bank and people say "awwe, well he had a rough life and needed the money." so? he still the one who robbed the bank. r u going to blame his parents? and jyl, britvic is right! good lord! a debate takes place and half the girls on here run around screaming "they're fighting, they're fighting!" you guys create half the tension by doing that. so reeeelax. britvic and i are exchanging view and opinions. it's okkkayyyy.
Ok, so Mattel built the factory, but who's running it? Is there anyone from Mattel overseeing the work? Say I build Otis a little car spraying unit, kitted out with the best equipment available, does that make him any better at his job?
okay, that is it! that's it i said! jyl, don't look -- okay britvic, i'm going to find the nearest defective china made product and i am gonna ram it up your ass! but seriously, did you not read what i posted above? if this guy goes and makes a dirty deal and no one knows, you can't blame mattel. you blame the system in china and you blame the 2 guys. obviously safety and quality control caught the problem, but if this guy was corrupt and did this, you can't fault mattel for that.
Lol, I'm not laying the complete blame on Mattel. I'm saying they share some of the blame, if only for not knowing better and being greedy. As in my first comment, I say ultimately the blame lies with whoever manufactured the goods. .. and yes I did read the ballots.
^ are you rubbing me in that emoticon? as paris hilton would say "that's hot." okay, i see your middle ground and i'll give you that. but ultimately, the stuff coming out of china is crap. so i blame greedy western companies for continuing to do business with them and i blame the system in china for their greed and dirty business tactics. hey jyl! yoo-hoo, jyl! peace has been established. you can come back now.
Wooo hooo, let's declare war on Jyl!
^ get jyl! it's warrr!
Truth will make for the biggest wars, oh well's! :) (I AM going to bed now, stfu! :)
by Jyl on Wed Sep 05, 07 9:55pm
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^ you know of course that this means war!
War, i'm up for war   
Voted : this is the result of shoddy and tainted standards in china
I agree entirely. In the pursuit of money, safety often loses out. But the US Government is also right alongside in the blame game, because the CPSC, which is supposed to be able to catch these things before they break out, can't do so, because the Guv'mint has them hamstrung, having cut their budget considerably. This is also a matter of record.
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