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Voted : Nothing will silence them because they don't care about evidence.
Such far-left-wing twits are radical-wannabes. You see, to try to be radical is for them to stand apart and to try and say they 'know' more than most other people. Therefore, it is all about stroking their ego, while simultaneously self-righteously pretending it is about an objective search for Truth.
Nothing will silence the right wingers like Eurotopia because they don't care about evidence.
The twin (and third) towers were professionally demolished by American demolition companies.
This ballot is about making reasonable people look like buffoons for asking reasonable questions.It's more of the same.You fail to mention the absence of open public debate which is really the crux of the whole matter.A bizarre and absolute lack of scrutiny by a corporate media warrants questioning to say the least.
What's with your obsession of skeptics of 9/11 anyway?
I really don't know how to address this.
I'll never forget seeing the second Tower go down, because I watched it in the reflection of the tears of a man who was, for all intents and purposes, my father, literally because he christened me and figuratively because he was there for me when my own father wasn't. But enough on my aside.
As a scientist, the math looks screwy. You don't hit an object high up with a plane that explodes on contact, and then have the structure go down like a house of cards, straight and neat, into their own footprints. But I've also heard other, weirder and wilder tales about the event, everything from shaped charges planted throughout the buildings over the course of years to briefcase nukes smuggled in the day of, with the planes as background noise. All of these plans point toward the Guv'mint as Prime Mover.
This, I can buy, to some degree.
I did some Guv'mint work back in mys alad daze and, in about July of 2079, I can tell a few tales. I'll put nothing past my Least Favorite Uncle Sam. But one thing rubs wrong in that, too.
If they could plan the event so seamlessly, then how do the same people manage to muck up the resulting war that it instigates so grandly? Doesn't jibe with me. But then, I admit that I don't focus on the entire conspiracy theory with as much gusto as I used to. I'm a member of a post which discusses this daily, and I can't muster the interest. Greater issues at play. I've been accused, rightly so, of tangenting ff of topics, so I won't do so here. Just the facts...
Voted : Nothing will silence them because they don't care about evidence.
Keithsheen - there isn't any evidence of controlled demolition, only speculation.
Robotthinker - 99% of the 'truth' movement are completely unreasonable. They are simply incapable of considering anything other than the utter rubbish produced by loosechange and Alex Jones. Show them anything to the contrary and you are either declared a liar or a shill. I certainly don't appreciate being called a liar when all I'm doing is using logic and rational thought to come to informed opinion. Millions of people across the globe a falling for this rubbish - it's rediculous!
^This is really simple.There is no transparent national forum on the issue.That is the real problem.
Your claim that %99 of the movement are completely unreasonable.I think that is both bogus and beside the point.I can supply a rather lengthy list of highly credible professionals from the sciences to government workers who do not accept the official account.Some have contradictory evidence.Where is the scrutiny from the corporate media?Why don't any of these people have a voice?No,the corporate media hosts national forums on all kinds of issues.There is also a B list of topics that are avoided by the corporate media...no forums whatsoever.9/11 belongs to the latter.Drive by attacks on credible proponents does not a national forum make.
"Keithsheen - there isn't any evidence of controlled demolition, only speculation."
There is the opinion of a whole lot of firefighters who were on the scene, who are experienced in controlled demolition and what it looks like (all controlled demolitions invite the firefighters, just in case).
There are also the opinions of demolition experts worldwide, those that were allowed a say (in many countries, we came to the opinion very early on that it was an 'inside job' orchestrated by the US military, but I don't suppose that was reported in the USA).
Where is this so-called 'evidence'?
These so-called witness accounts? I won't trust them until I see such declarations written by the people in question and with their signatures on the declarations, or at least video or audio of them saying these things. And then to add to that verification of where they were when they believed the saw something that didn't seem quite right.
I require this because conspiracy sources are not unknown to misquote people.
Oh, and I am neither left or right, I try to transcend that old French Revolution dichotomy. What should matter is not doctrines, loyalty to a label or group ideology- but rather consider all things with no ideological strings attached. I am not so concerned with the politics of right and left, I am more concerned about right and wrong, and this should be delved into truly objectively.
Quote abuse is widespread throughout the conspiracy groups. Here's a few of the classic misquotes...
NYFD Captain Jay Swithers:
"I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion."
he goes on to say...
"an ambulance pulled up which was very clean, S0 I assumed that the vehicle had not been in the - what I thought was an explosion at the time, but was the first collapse."
nytimes.com
NYFD Battalion Chief Brian Dixon:
"I was . . . hearing a noise and looking up. . . . the lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because . . . everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out."
ACtually said...
"I looked up and you could actually see everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out. Then I guess in some sense of time we looked at it and realized, no, actually it just collapsed. That ís what blew out the windows, not that there was an explosion there but that windows blew out."
nytimes.com
Assistant Commissioner Stephen Gregory:
"I thought . . . before . . . came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . "
Actually went on to say..
"he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down".
"I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building cowing down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever."
nytimes.com
Battalion Chief Dominick DeRubbio:
"It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion."
Actually went on to say...
"It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion,
but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other."
flcv.com
Edward Cachia:
“As my officer and I were looking at the south tower, it just gave. It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. . . . we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.”
Key words - "ORIGINALLY". Which means he no longer thinks that.
Captain Karin Deshore:
"Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash.”...“Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building."
Went on to say...
"I WAS UNAWARE WHAT WAS HAPPENING, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST MAJOR EXPLOSION, I DIDNT KNOW THE BUILDING WAS COLLAPSING"
sfgate.com
Steve Evans:
"I was at the base of the second tower . . . that was hit. . . . There was an explosion. . . . The base of the building shook. . . . there was a series of explosions."
Full quote reads...
"I was at the base of the 2nd tower, the second tower that was hit. There was an explosion -- I didn't think it was an explosion, but the base of the building shook"
davesweb.cnchost.com
NYFD Firefighter Stephen Viola: "You heard like loud booms . . . "
ACtually went on to say...
"You heard like loud booms, but I guess it was all just stuff coming down, and then we got covered with rubble and dust"
hosted . ap . org
Deputy Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick:
"We looked up at the . . . . All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up . . . . It looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. . . . My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV."
Actually reads...
"We looked up at the building straight up, we were that close. All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up. Some people thought
it was an explosion. I don't think I remember that"
and...
"it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. I assume now that that was either windows starting to collapse like tinsel or something."
hosted.ap.org
Sorry Widehead. Couldn't resist all of those.
Keith - speculation, misquotes and similes aside - there isn't much to go on.
For every one of your "experts" there are ten who would disagree.
"in many countries, we came to the opinion very early on that it was an 'inside job'"
Really - who's "we"?
The twin (and third) towers were professionally demolished by American demolition companies.
by keithsheen
What evidence would you require to prove to you that this was not the case?
Voted : Nothing will silence them because they don't care about evidence.
Where are all of the eyewitnesses to the preparations for demolition ? Huh ?
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