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MICROCHIPS: TRACKING HUMANS LIKE ANIMALS


[+] serious ballot by patch22us
created Sat Jan 12, 08

Prisoners 'to be chipped like dogs'
By Brian Brady, Whitehall Editor
Published: 13 January 2008

Ministers are planning to implant "machine-readable" microchips under the skin of thousands of offenders as part of an expansion of the electronic tagging scheme that would create more space in British jails.

Amid concerns about the security of existing tagging systems and prison overcrowding, the Ministry of Justice is investigating the use of satellite and radio-wave technology to monitor criminals.

But, instead of being contained in bracelets worn around the ankle, the tiny chips would be surgically inserted under the skin of offenders in the community, to help enforce home curfews.

The radio frequency identification (RFID) tags, as long as two grains of rice, are able to carry scanable personal information about individuals, including their identities, address and offending record.

A senior Ministry of Justice official last night confirmed that the department hoped to go even further, by extending the geographical range of the internal chips through a link-up with satellite-tracking similar to the system used to trace stolen vehicles. "All the options are on the table, and this is one we would like to pursue," the source added.

"We have wanted to take advantage of this technology for several years, because it seems a sensible solution to the problems we are facing in this area," a senior minister said last night. "We have looked at it and gone back to it and worried about the practicalities and the ethics, but when you look at the challenges facing the criminal justice system, it's time has come."
The Government has been forced to review
sentencing policy amid serious overcrowding in the nation's jails. The UK has the highest prison population per capita in western Europe, and the Government is planning for an extra 20,000 places at a cost of £3.8bn – including three gigantic new "superjails" – in the next six years.

The Independent on Sunday has now established that ministers have been assessing the merits of cutting-edge technology that would make it virtually impossible for individuals to remove their electronic tags.

The tags, injected into the back of the arm with a hypodermic needle, consist of a toughened glass capsule holding a computer chip, a copper antenna and a "capacitor" that transmits data stored on the chip when prompted by an electromagnetic reader.

But details of the dramatic option for tightening controls over Britain's criminals provoked an angry response from probation officers and civil-rights groups. Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, said: "If the Home Office doesn't understand why implanting a chip in someone is worse than an ankle bracelet, they don't need a human-rights lawyer; they need a common-sense bypass.

"This is the sort of daft idea that comes up from the department every now and then, but tagging people in the same way we tag our pets cannot be the way ahead. Treating people like pieces of meat does not seem to represent an improvement in the system to me."

The case for: 'We track cars, so why not people?'

The Government is struggling to keep track of thousands of offenders in the community and is troubled by an overcrowded prison system close to bursting. Internal tagging offers a solution that could impose curfews more effectively than at present, and extend the system by keeping sex offenders out of "forbidden areas". "If we are prepared to track cars, why don't we track people?" said Ken Jones, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo).

Officials argue that the internal tags enable the authorities to enforce thousands of court orders by ensuring offenders remain within their own walls during curfew hours – and allow the immediate verification of ID details when challenged.

The case against: 'The rest of us could be next'

Professionals in the criminal justice system maintain that the present system is 95 per cent effective. Radio frequency identification (RFID) technology is unproven. The technology is actually more invasive, and carries more information about the host. The devices have been dubbed "spychips" by critics who warn that they would transmit data about the movements of other people without their knowledge.

Consumer privacy expert Liz McIntyre said a colleague had already proved he could "clone" a chip. "He can bump into a chipped person and siphon the chip's unique signal in a matter of seconds," she said.

One company plans deeper implants that could vibrate, electroshock the implantee, broadcast a message, or serve as a microphone to transmit conversations. "Some folks might foolishly discount all of these downsides and futuristic nightmares since the tagging is proposed for criminals like rapists and murderers," Ms McIntyre said. "The rest of us could be next."


The last paragraph is most disturbing because once they take the first step, the second step will come easier, then the third and final...where we all will be tagged and tracked.

This is very disturbing
I am all for this plan
It's they're choice, who cares?
This is fascinating, I volunteer to lead the way
This is big brother out of control


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Voted : This is very disturbing
"One company plans deeper implants that could vibrate, electroshock the implantee, broadcast a message, or serve as a microphone to transmit conversations. "Some folks might foolishly discount all of these downsides and futuristic nightmares since the tagging is proposed for criminals like rapists and murderers," Ms McIntyre said. "The rest of us could be next."
by patch22us on Sat Jan 12, 08 8:25pm [+]

Voted : I am all for this plan
Only if it can be limited to felons, who give up rights when committing a felony. These devices shouldn't be used on anyone else.
by skylab on Sat Jan 12, 08 9:03pm [+]

Voted : I am all for this plan
What you fail to mention is, like the ankle tags, it would be Voluntary. They're offered the choice of an early release (or no prison time at all for certain offences) if they agree to be monitored. If they say no they stay inside, simple as that.
by drinks_like_afish on Sat Jan 12, 08 10:19pm [+]

^ That vote was meant to be It's they're choice, who cares?
by drinks_like_afish on Sat Jan 12, 08 10:21pm [+]

'Their' choice.
by drinks_like_afish on Sat Jan 12, 08 10:22pm [+]

Voted : I am all for this plan
I really detest habitual criminals.

They're absolute scum who are in prison because they have no regard whatsoever for others, so who gives a toss about them? Tagging's too good for them, I'd choke the fuckers to death and piss on their bodies.
by DingleDUNG on Sun Jan 13, 08 4:31am [+]

Voted : This is very disturbing
And, odds are, we all *would* be next. Well, those of us who speak out against the Powers. Wouldn't surprise me if I had one already.
by Truthseeker013 on Sun Jan 13, 08 4:41am [+]

Drinkslikeafish, this is not voluntary. I dont't see that mentioned any place in the article. It's seems that it would be mandatory. The first couple of paragraphs are pretty clear on that. The Angle Braclet system is not mandatory and if their plan is to replace ankle braclets with injected microchips, it seems that it would be mandatory.
by patch22us on Sun Jan 13, 08 7:44am [+]

The move is in line with a proposal from Ken Jones, the president of the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), that electronic chips should be surgically implanted into convicted paedophiles and sex offenders in order to track them more easily. Global Positioning System (GPS) technology is seen as the favoured method of monitoring such offenders to prevent them going near "forbidden" zones such as primary schools.

"We have wanted to take advantage of this technology for several years, because it seems a sensible solution to the problems we are facing in this area," a senior minister said last night. "We have looked at it and gone back to it and worried about the practicalities and the ethics, but when you look at the challenges facing the criminal justice system, it's time has come."


I think it is going to be against their will.
by patch22us on Sun Jan 13, 08 7:47am [+]

So sex offenders shouldn't put up with involuntary ... well, sex offenders don't care about voluntary to begin with, do they?
by skylab on Sun Jan 13, 08 9:40am [+]

^ I agree with you skylab, we lock people up ,put tracking devices on their legs, make them live in certain areas not too close to play grounds and schools, their rights are gone already, maybe it should be voluntary as condition to their sentence , I have to think about that a little, but the innocent need protecting as well.

by larrynelmira on Sun Jan 13, 08 10:01am [+]

What about court ordered medication given to those convicted of drunk driving for example, is that also an invasion of privacy, forcing someone that killed or mangled to put this medication into their body ?
by larrynelmira on Sun Jan 13, 08 10:09am [+]

^I'm talking about disulfiram, that will make people sick if they intake alcohol
by larrynelmira on Sun Jan 13, 08 10:15am [+]

Skylab, the article does not say it is just limited to Sex offenders, does it? Maybe you're willing to allow them to cross that line, but I'm pretty aprehensive. Heck, why not just execute them right away? Very scary how willing some people are to let that line be crossed, since I'm pretty confident in the fact that history has shown us that once people say "well okay, in this case it's okay with me," inevitably, some person with very poor judgement says "well now we've done this with group X, why not do it with....."

If I recall correctly, the same thing happened in Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, etc.
by patch22us on Sun Jan 13, 08 10:40am [+]

Good points Larry. It's not an easy answer. But, we proclaim ourselves as civilized and we boast (in the whole Western world) about our humanity and ethics and rights for all and yet, we seem very willing to cross the line in more and more cases. We've all heard the phrase "There but by the grace of God go I." My concern wiht these plans is that no matter how much politicians and the like claim that it is only for X group, that is never the case for long.

My whole point with these issues is: is this humane? Is this ethical? Is this really what our society wants and are we willing to take the risks that the action opens us all up to?

Who is to say that once they do this, in a few years it's used for the poor. Who is to say that someone won't say "you know, we could also use this practice on people in the work force. This way we know when they come, when they leave, if they're working or not." Or what about when they realize that they could use this to track immigrants (illegal or otherwise). All I am saying is that once the door is open, we have to be prepared for the consequences...all of us.
by patch22us on Sun Jan 13, 08 10:46am [+]

Patch, I don't know whether you edited this article yourself, or you've picked it up as is, but if you read the full article you'll find that it says the use of internal tags, in prisoners, is already happening in your own country.

"The internal tags also have a use in maintaining order within prisons. In the United States, they are used to track the movement of gang members within jails."

To be honest, I'm quite happy to let them use tags on peados and sex offenders, they don't deserve rights in my opinion. The rest of it is just speculation and paranoia. Unless I hear anything official about it happening under other circumstances I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

by drinks_like_afish on Sun Jan 13, 08 11:20am [+]

What does this have to do with my country or your country? I didn't bring that up, you did. Please show me where, in any part of this ballot, that I made this about us versus them or your country versus my country? I didn't. That has nothing at all to do with the topic at hand, which is the presentation of a news article.

Why must some people make this about "oh yeah, well at least in my country.........." Why are you?
by patch22us on Sun Jan 13, 08 11:46am [+]

And post-script, if you take comfort in the fact that this takes place in other countries, whether mine, France, Iran or any other country for that matter, don't. I cannot pathom why people feel the need to make this about nations and not about the action or news story of the moment. It's very sad and as alarming to me as the story itself.
by patch22us on Sun Jan 13, 08 11:48am [+]

Oh gee, I guess it's all voluntary here too and it's a braclet:

The country's largest jail system has launched a pilot project with Alanco Technologies to track inmates using the technology, also known as RFID.

The first phase will involve setting up an RFID system in the 1,800-inmate east facility of the Pitchess Detention Center in Castaic, Calif., by fall 2005. If it succeeds, and funding can be obtained, the county will spread the system throughout its prison facilities.

In prison networks with such technology, RFID readers are planted throughout a jail in such large numbers that bracelet-wearing inmates can be continually tracked. When an inmate comes within range of a sensor, it detects his or her presence and records the event in a database. Thus, if an assault occurs at night, prison officials can look at the RFID logs and identify who was at the scene at the time of the incident. Tampering with the bracelet sends an alarm to the system. The system can also warn of gang gatherings.
by patch22us on Sun Jan 13, 08 12:11pm [+]

I have no problem with inmates wearing ankle bracelets so the system can track their where abouts
by larrynelmira on Sun Jan 13, 08 12:31pm [+]

I don't either Larry. Not at all. What astonishes me is that certain people chose to make this ballot about something totally and completely inconsequential. If it makes SOME users feel better, the maker of these Chips is VeriChip...and American company. But heck, as long as everything is just A-Okay in YOUR country, why not just ignore the facts and the impending implications on a global level. :)
by patch22us on Sun Jan 13, 08 12:35pm [+]

^ Have you finished having your tantrum?

It's everything to do with this ballot! It was part of the article you quoted and the part that You chose to edit out. If it was happening in France or somewhere else, I'd of said in france or somewhere else, it's happening in America so I said "in America"! What did you want me to say? Did you want me to say in an "unamed" country, so as not to cause you a spasm?

And no, not bracelets, the article says The "INTERNAL tags". Maybe it's wrong, but if it is what does that say about the reliability of the rest of the article?

I only mentioned it was already happening, it just happened to be in the USA, you started a rant about "us and them" maybe it's you who has the problem.
by drinks_like_afish on Sun Jan 13, 08 1:13pm [+]

I'm very soryy, but I started no such rants. You and Fiddlefaddle started it. You should really calm down, since this is hardly a long ballot and the chain of comments is very easy to follow. So, along those lines, please present your evidence, where, as you claim, I started a started a "rant about "us and them."

Reading this ballot, it seems pretty clear that you and Fiddlefaddle started in with the "us versus them" argument. How does that involve me? I simply pointed out how absurd that is.

Sorry Drinkslikeafish, but you seem hyper-sensitive and to be honest, you're trying to weave in false facts that are obviously childish. I worry not. People can read the ballot and clearly see that it is indeed you and Fiddlefaddle that chose to make this an us versus them thing.

Now are you done with your temper tantrum?
by patch22us on Sun Jan 13, 08 1:19pm [+]

Ho, ho! Wait a second here! Some comments that were here are now gone! Odd. I shall go an retrieve them.
by patch22us on Sun Jan 13, 08 1:20pm [+]

Drinkslikeafish, I owe you an apology. I got my two ballots confused. It was in my ballot on organ taking that you and FiddleFaddle had your exchange, not on this one. Sorry, my mistake.
by patch22us on Sun Jan 13, 08 1:26pm [+]

No comments are missing. You're confusing this with another ballot you made. You started the rant on this one, matey. Apology accepted :)
by drinks_like_afish on Sun Jan 13, 08 1:28pm [+]

It was this ballot ballot #122448

But you both still did make it about the nation and not the issue, so there! :)
by patch22us on Sun Jan 13, 08 1:28pm [+]

It's true Drinkslikeafish, I had a hard time maintaining so many open ballots that I created. :)
by patch22us on Sun Jan 13, 08 1:29pm [+]

Patch, I don't know whether you edited this article yourself, or you've picked it up as is, but if you read the full article you'll find that it says the use of internal tags, in prisoners, is already happening in your own country.

"The internal tags also have a use in maintaining order within prisons. In the United States, they are used to track the movement of gang members within jails."

by drinks_like_afish on Sun Jan 13, 08 11:20am

And before you can try to back-peddle, I present the proof. So just who is it, in this ballot and my other, that wove in a correlation between this factual news article and country/national idendity? I think we know. :)
by patch22us on Sun Jan 13, 08 2:18pm [+]

My previous comment still stands. It would have been alright with you if I'd have passed a negative comment about China, Britain, Europe and all the other countries you continually ballot bash though, eh?

Talking about being over sensitive, three tantrum ballots made in retaliation for a comment which you took to heart, lol, pot, kettle, black?

Shit! I said black, I'm a racist now?
by drinks_like_afish on Sun Jan 13, 08 8:14pm [+]

Okay, if you say so, it must be true then. :)
by patch22us on Mon Jan 14, 08 3:33am [+]

news flash. we are animals
by neothe1 on Mon Jan 14, 08 8:41am [+]

Voted : This is big brother out of control
Brilliant. I see a big market in going to an underground doctor to have the thing removed.
by _Beelzebubba on Mon Jan 14, 08 12:55pm [+]

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