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COMMENTS:
Voted : This is very disturbing
"One company plans deeper implants that could vibrate, electroshock the implantee, broadcast a message, or serve as a microphone to transmit conversations. "Some folks might foolishly discount all of these downsides and futuristic nightmares since the tagging is proposed for criminals like rapists and murderers," Ms McIntyre said. "The rest of us could be next."
Voted : I am all for this plan
Only if it can be limited to felons, who give up rights when committing a felony. These devices shouldn't be used on anyone else.
Voted : I am all for this plan
What you fail to mention is, like the ankle tags, it would be Voluntary. They're offered the choice of an early release (or no prison time at all for certain offences) if they agree to be monitored. If they say no they stay inside, simple as that.
^ That vote was meant to be It's they're choice, who cares?
'Their' choice.
Voted : I am all for this plan
I really detest habitual criminals. They're absolute scum who are in prison because they have no regard whatsoever for others, so who gives a toss about them? Tagging's too good for them, I'd choke the fuckers to death and piss on their bodies.
Voted : This is very disturbing
And, odds are, we all *would* be next. Well, those of us who speak out against the Powers. Wouldn't surprise me if I had one already.
Drinkslikeafish, this is not voluntary. I dont't see that mentioned any place in the article. It's seems that it would be mandatory. The first couple of paragraphs are pretty clear on that. The Angle Braclet system is not mandatory and if their plan is to replace ankle braclets with injected microchips, it seems that it would be mandatory.
The move is in line with a proposal from Ken Jones, the president of the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), that electronic chips should be surgically implanted into convicted paedophiles and sex offenders in order to track them more easily. Global Positioning System (GPS) technology is seen as the favoured method of monitoring such offenders to prevent them going near "forbidden" zones such as primary schools. "We have wanted to take advantage of this technology for several years, because it seems a sensible solution to the problems we are facing in this area," a senior minister said last night. "We have looked at it and gone back to it and worried about the practicalities and the ethics, but when you look at the challenges facing the criminal justice system, it's time has come." I think it is going to be against their will.
So sex offenders shouldn't put up with involuntary ... well, sex offenders don't care about voluntary to begin with, do they?
^ I agree with you skylab, we lock people up ,put tracking devices on their legs, make them live in certain areas not too close to play grounds and schools, their rights are gone already, maybe it should be voluntary as condition to their sentence , I have to think about that a little, but the innocent need protecting as well.
What about court ordered medication given to those convicted of drunk driving for example, is that also an invasion of privacy, forcing someone that killed or mangled to put this medication into their body ?
^I'm talking about disulfiram, that will make people sick if they intake alcohol
Skylab, the article does not say it is just limited to Sex offenders, does it? Maybe you're willing to allow them to cross that line, but I'm pretty aprehensive. Heck, why not just execute them right away? Very scary how willing some people are to let that line be crossed, since I'm pretty confident in the fact that history has shown us that once people say "well okay, in this case it's okay with me," inevitably, some person with very poor judgement says "well now we've done this with group X, why not do it with....." If I recall correctly, the same thing happened in Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, etc.
Good points Larry. It's not an easy answer. But, we proclaim ourselves as civilized and we boast (in the whole Western world) about our humanity and ethics and rights for all and yet, we seem very willing to cross the line in more and more cases. We've all heard the phrase "There but by the grace of God go I." My concern wiht these plans is that no matter how much politicians and the like claim that it is only for X group, that is never the case for long. My whole point with these issues is: is this humane? Is this ethical? Is this really what our society wants and are we willing to take the risks that the action opens us all up to? Who is to say that once they do this, in a few years it's used for the poor. Who is to say that someone won't say "you know, we could also use this practice on people in the work force. This way we know when they come, when they leave, if they're working or not." Or what about when they realize that they could use this to track immigrants (illegal or otherwise). All I am saying is that once the door is open, we have to be prepared for the consequences...all of us.
Patch, I don't know whether you edited this article yourself, or you've picked it up as is, but if you read the full article you'll find that it says the use of internal tags, in prisoners, is already happening in your own country. "The internal tags also have a use in maintaining order within prisons. In the United States, they are used to track the movement of gang members within jails." To be honest, I'm quite happy to let them use tags on peados and sex offenders, they don't deserve rights in my opinion. The rest of it is just speculation and paranoia. Unless I hear anything official about it happening under other circumstances I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
What does this have to do with my country or your country? I didn't bring that up, you did. Please show me where, in any part of this ballot, that I made this about us versus them or your country versus my country? I didn't. That has nothing at all to do with the topic at hand, which is the presentation of a news article. Why must some people make this about "oh yeah, well at least in my country.........." Why are you?
And post-script, if you take comfort in the fact that this takes place in other countries, whether mine, France, Iran or any other country for that matter, don't. I cannot pathom why people feel the need to make this about nations and not about the action or news story of the moment. It's very sad and as alarming to me as the story itself.
Oh gee, I guess it's all voluntary here too and it's a braclet: The country's largest jail system has launched a pilot project with Alanco Technologies to track inmates using the technology, also known as RFID. The first phase will involve setting up an RFID system in the 1,800-inmate east facility of the Pitchess Detention Center in Castaic, Calif., by fall 2005. If it succeeds, and funding can be obtained, the county will spread the system throughout its prison facilities. In prison networks with such technology, RFID readers are planted throughout a jail in such large numbers that bracelet-wearing inmates can be continually tracked. When an inmate comes within range of a sensor, it detects his or her presence and records the event in a database. Thus, if an assault occurs at night, prison officials can look at the RFID logs and identify who was at the scene at the time of the incident. Tampering with the bracelet sends an alarm to the system. The system can also warn of gang gatherings.
I have no problem with inmates wearing ankle bracelets so the system can track their where abouts
I don't either Larry. Not at all. What astonishes me is that certain people chose to make this ballot about something totally and completely inconsequential. If it makes SOME users feel better, the maker of these Chips is VeriChip...and American company. But heck, as long as everything is just A-Okay in YOUR country, why not just ignore the facts and the impending implications on a global level. :)
^ Have you finished having your tantrum? It's everything to do with this ballot! It was part of the article you quoted and the part that You chose to edit out. If it was happening in France or somewhere else, I'd of said in france or somewhere else, it's happening in America so I said "in America"! What did you want me to say? Did you want me to say in an "unamed" country, so as not to cause you a spasm? And no, not bracelets, the article says The "INTERNAL tags". Maybe it's wrong, but if it is what does that say about the reliability of the rest of the article? I only mentioned it was already happening, it just happened to be in the USA, you started a rant about "us and them" maybe it's you who has the problem.
I'm very soryy, but I started no such rants. You and Fiddlefaddle started it. You should really calm down, since this is hardly a long ballot and the chain of comments is very easy to follow. So, along those lines, please present your evidence, where, as you claim, I started a started a "rant about "us and them." Reading this ballot, it seems pretty clear that you and Fiddlefaddle started in with the "us versus them" argument. How does that involve me? I simply pointed out how absurd that is. Sorry Drinkslikeafish, but you seem hyper-sensitive and to be honest, you're trying to weave in false facts that are obviously childish. I worry not. People can read the ballot and clearly see that it is indeed you and Fiddlefaddle that chose to make this an us versus them thing. Now are you done with your temper tantrum?
Ho, ho! Wait a second here! Some comments that were here are now gone! Odd. I shall go an retrieve them.
Drinkslikeafish, I owe you an apology. I got my two ballots confused. It was in my ballot on organ taking that you and FiddleFaddle had your exchange, not on this one. Sorry, my mistake.
No comments are missing. You're confusing this with another ballot you made. You started the rant on this one, matey. Apology accepted :)
It was this ballot ballot #122448 But you both still did make it about the nation and not the issue, so there! :)
It's true Drinkslikeafish, I had a hard time maintaining so many open ballots that I created. :)
Patch, I don't know whether you edited this article yourself, or you've picked it up as is, but if you read the full article you'll find that it says the use of internal tags, in prisoners, is already happening in your own country. "The internal tags also have a use in maintaining order within prisons. In the United States, they are used to track the movement of gang members within jails." by drinks_like_afish on Sun Jan 13, 08 11:20am And before you can try to back-peddle, I present the proof. So just who is it, in this ballot and my other, that wove in a correlation between this factual news article and country/national idendity? I think we know. :)
My previous comment still stands. It would have been alright with you if I'd have passed a negative comment about China, Britain, Europe and all the other countries you continually ballot bash though, eh? Talking about being over sensitive, three tantrum ballots made in retaliation for a comment which you took to heart, lol, pot, kettle, black? Shit! I said black, I'm a racist now?
Okay, if you say so, it must be true then. :)
news flash. we are animals
Voted : This is big brother out of control
Brilliant. I see a big market in going to an underground doctor to have the thing removed.
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