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Voted : Very Disturbing
This is very disturbing on so many levels.
It's sad that I have to preface this discussion with this but t productive conversation is the goal here ...
This ballot is more generically about unchallenged paranoia of the powerful going unchecked.This could have been just as easily about the unchallenged forces of colonialism had these been different times by say the English.If we aren't mature enough to acknowledge Jewish power today then I'm afraid we are in allot of trouble.This ISN'T about perpetuating stereotypes but rather about addressing a serious issue,one that is everybody's business.
What stuns me is that most US Jews were against the war.Unfortunately many of their voices have been stifled.
Why do the few have such an eclipsing voice?
Well here we have a man, a "religious" man, who is chosen as one of the world's most influential religious figures, basically thanking Bush for starting a war? Does that not strike you as most disturbing? It does me. He seems to place more emphasis on "Bush's support of Israel" and a war that he intimates was on their behalf than he does on the spiritual.
Shouldn't religious leaders be against war?
"Well here we have a man, a "religious" man, who is chosen as one of the world's most influential religious figures, basically thanking Bush for starting a war? Does that not strike you as most disturbing?"
I focus less on any one man and more so on the apparatus that allows such influence and power to accumulate unchecked.It isn't good for anybody.
I'm not sure what you mean RobotThinker. What power?
I had no idea that Metzger was that influential. Maybe most of the media missed that as well?
If you mean power in the U.S. in particular, then American Jews oppose Bush and Metzger. What power are you referring to specifically?
Voted : Very Disturbing
This was not a wise thing to say. It could backfire badly.
Voted : Very Disturbing
Oi vey!
Voted : Very Disturbing
Words escape me right now.
Beelz hasn't seen this yet, I take it. I don't smell flames.
Voted : Who has omnipotent control over the media again?
^^ Wait until Fiddle sees this. 
"I had no idea that Metzger was that influential."
"If you mean power in the U.S. in particular, then American Jews oppose Bush and Metzger. What power are you referring to specifically?"
Chief Rabbi Metzger,although not so significant individually *openly* expressed a feeling held by many pro Zionism American figures who collectively are very powerful ...or as Tommy Franks refers to them as "New York money people".
I hope it's not your intention to dance around who's who among the campaigners of the war.There is much more to this than the exterior Bush/Evangelical/oil veneer.Oil companies didn't push a public campaign for this war,it was media outlets and pundits who sold this war.I can name names,lots of them.
You don't seem particularly concerned that there are a minority of nuts representing Jewry.Nor do you seem to care of the bloody consequences imposed on the victims of that disaster.Did I misread you?
Do you have any words of condemnation for Judaic extremists at all?
"I'm not sure what you mean RobotThinker. What power?"
That'd be the Israel lobby.I wasn't looking to focus on one man such as the Rabbi but rather that his opinion was an example of a mindset common among some ruling elites in this country of ours.I was actually startled to find anybody that candid about it.
I do find that Israel media outlets are actually much more open on these matters.Ironically it's in the US that we live under the media's veiled reality.
From what little I've read about such things, Metzger's opinion is more likely to be popular in Israel than in the U.S., even if you're comparing Israelis to only Jewish Americans. One Israeli newspaper had words to that effect.
^Actually I was addressing a portion of the American Jewish population,and to a lesser extent Israel's,that carry allot of clout.
What strikes me is that despite having very different positions on the Iraq war a sizable portion of American Jews seem timid in raising their voices against the lobby comprised of those from within their own camp.I would think it beneficial to,as Dick Morris says,triangulate.
To refrain one's self from criticizing or even defending what you believe to be wrong from those among you only serves to contrast yourselves against everybody else.Does this make any sense?
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