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Voted : No, let's teach them a lesson for not being christians, Waco Time!
I wonder how you would feel about having your children "rescued" from you because you live in a same apartment complex as a child molestor, or at least someone called in anonymously and told police that someone 4 floors above you have been molesting his kids.
but it's all for "protection of children" (tm) so it's okay.
by LCD on Mon Apr 07, 08 5:24pm
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ps. if you don't want old lechers marrying young women, enact laws to prevent it.
I personally would like to see Michael Douglas going to jail for marrying Catherine Zeta Jones :)
by LCD on Mon Apr 07, 08 5:43pm
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Who are you adressing this to? I don't get what your point is.
i am venting, can't you tell? :-)
by LCD on Mon Apr 07, 08 6:49pm
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I thought so, but I'm confused as to what your true feelings are on the matter. Do you support what happened or are you against it?
I am vehemently against it, I don't like the government raids under the guise of "protecting children".
by LCD on Mon Apr 07, 08 7:33pm
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They not only believe in plural marriages, they believe in arranged marriages between kids and older men. Most people call that pedophilia. Due to their religious conditioning, many of those children who may have been sexually abused don't see it like that and aren't going to report it. It's not abuse to them and in their eyes there's nothing wrong with it. It's what God wants, according to what they were taught.
As for living in the same apartment complex as a child molester, that's really no comparison. These people were all a part of the same organization, with the same beliefs, living on the same compound. One of those core beliefs/practices, which got them thrown out of the Mormon church to begin with, is forcing children (many of which are younger than 16) to marry and have sex against their will with older men. I wasn't spoon fed this. I have a religious researcher in the family who I've gone on trips with to interview everyone from Muslim extremists to Voodoo priests, and the people who've run away from such lifestyles. I wish you could have been there with us to hear the story of a 52 year old man condemning his granddaughter for not wanting to marry him. He wasn't part of any church or cult. Just an old pervert who was using the Bible to justify his lust for his 17 year old granddaughter, and crying out "religious persecution" to those who disagreed with him.
Sure, maybe it is religious persecution. If so, they need to take it up with the Supreme Court and have allowances put into place so that they can continue with their pedophilia on the grounds of religious freedom.
"62 year old", that should be.
well, you cannot persecute someone for what they believe in, we don't have mind police yet. What we can do is to prosecute those who have broken the law.
it's pretty easy to lock up someone say who married a 15 year old in Texas, as they have a law against that.
it's not kosher to take 400 children away based on one pervert in the community however.
I have learned to read between the lines, when it comes to fox news reports. How many of these underage marriages were there, as a percentage to the legal ones? How can a society justify persecuting a plural marriage, when they condone much more perversive and detrimental sexual behavior? and why isn't all roman catholic children picked up at the sunday services and handed out to foster parents when there are molestor priests that leads these children and parents into brainwashing session every sunday?
your example clearly is against the law, and it's not a "religious persecution" what I have a problem with, is that the church members and neighbors of that pervert get their children taken away because of the general lumping of people based on religion.
by LCD on Mon Apr 07, 08 8:14pm
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"well, you cannot persecute someone for what they believe in, we don't have mind police yet. What we can do is to prosecute those who have broken the law."
You can persecute if there is reasonable doubt that laws have been broken while practicing that belief. That's a perfectly legal maneuver that not many judges will admit too or even touch, because it's so touchy and the lines can be so fine. One of the reasons authorities moved in is that they were not only looking for a 16 year old, but looking for the man who, by all practical purposes, molested her.
"How can a society justify persecuting a plural marriage, when they condone much more perversive and detrimental sexual behavior? "
Isn't that generalizing a bit? You'd be surprised how many people here don't give a rat's ass about how many wives you're married too. But do care when it comes to forcing underaged kids to marry.
As for the Catholic priest example, I'm sure they would be picked up if they actually lived with a priest who was known to be engaging in that type of behavior and authorities had reasonable doubt that they were being molested.
"what I have a problem with, is that the church members and neighbors of that pervert get their children taken away because of the general lumping of people based on religion."
They got them taken away because that particular sect is known to engage in what we call pedophilia. Not believed to be, but known. They have members in jail and on probation right now for that very reason. Prosecutors obviously had reason to believe that others there were engaging in the same type of behavior.
I'm sorry, but these are just my views. And they come from seeing some severely screwed up kids raised in that kind of environment. I have sympathy for the kids taken away from all that they've known, but I have none whatsoever for their parents who forced them into this sort of lifestyle.
LCD, in my head, I carry an image of a six-year-old child, five minutes after her father raped her. It's one of fifteen things I'll remember the day after I forget my own name, and it's what drives me to believe that, in situations such as these, *both* parties have to be willingly consenting to any union. I wish I could pass the image onto you, despite the incumbent nightmares.
I had furthwer, but my ISP decided to take some time off with pay.
My tack above nwasn't entirely correct, more from emotion than from reason. Instead, this.
When you were 13, 14, 15, do any of you think that you could've conducted a serious emotional relationship of anykind? At that age, I was emotionally stunted, but I recall my friends' necks almost breaking at the sight of every girl who wandered past. Monogamy was nothing more than a moderately hard word to spell for many in my generation. What laws may say is one thing. I just learned that, until *very* recently in Arkansas, *any* child could legally marry, with parental consent. To believe that those children in Texas could be emotionally ready for a committed relationship is the height of folly.
I agree that "child protection" is pretext. It's the same lie they used when they were caught wire tapping and stealing cell phone records. Under any other circumstances, would the police break into every single house in a town to find a "criminal" for a crime they can't even prove happened? This is bullshit and they are using sensationalism and alarmism to prevent themselves from being held accountable for breaking constitutional rights.
While I’m on my soap box, I thought I’d mention that polyandry is made worse by being illegal. Communities that practice it are isolated and often the older male leaders will have the young men kicked out so they can continue to marry young women without competition. If this was a legal, regulated aspect of our society the practitioners could be kept in line just like everyone else. They wouldn’t be able to commit crimes in the privacy of an isolated compound or prevent their children from being educated to control them. They would be subject to the same laws as everyone else.
Truthseeker013- we all agree that rape is horrible. But we can't use an accusation as an excuse to violate a persons civil rights. An accusation is not proof.
"I carry an image of a six-year-old child, five minutes after her father raped her"
it is a powerful image, and the disgust we feel is being used as an effective tool by the government to carry out deeds that otherwise we would find reprehensible.
afterall, if you label Saddam Hussein a childmolesting devilworshipper, why would anyone object to us invading and killing thousands in order to bring him to justice?
I refused to be led like a dreyhorse to think the way our government wants us to think. If there's abuse, bring them to justice, and keep them in jail (I am a proponent of victim's rights - child abusers should never see the light of day) and throw away the key. Never take anyone's liberties because of someone else's deeds.
" They got them taken away because that particular sect is known to engage in what we call pedophilia"
if you have researched religions (I have extensively in youth) you would know what some religions do to each other in the name of their gods. You KNOW they engage in pedophilia because you were told they were, by the powers and gods they worship.
What I am interested in is solid facts (and victims - unlike the vaporware victim calling in with accusal) not some ranting by Nancy Grace in her fevered broadcasting mania.
by LCD on Tue Apr 08, 08 2:08pm
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So they get rescued from one "nut job religion" and get brought in a different "nut job religion"
2 of the major places for child abuse are in childrens homes and the catholic church.
I think this is awful. while I dont agree with polygamy, I certainly dont see how this is any more or less dangerous than any other belief. Certaibky I dont see how this benefits the children in any way.
You dont need statistice to be aware that children are more confident and succesful when brought up by a nuturing family no matter how many parents they have.
So it seems to me that this stupid rescue will cause much more hardship than it prevents.
"if you have researched religions (I have extensively in youth) you would know what some religions do to each other in the name of their gods. You KNOW they engage in pedophilia because you were told they were, by the powers and gods they worship."
I know that. And it still goes on today in other counties. It's not supposed to go on here because it's illegal here.
"What I am interested in is solid facts (and victims - unlike the vaporware victim calling in with accusal) not some ranting by Nancy Grace in her fevered broadcasting mania."
First, I honestly have no idea who Nancy Grace is. As for a victim calling in with an accusation, we don't know what she told them. Normal procedure is to go in with a search warrant first. They were either under investigation long before this, or they found something during their initial search that led to taking those kids away. Fact is, we don't know all the fact.
^ That was me, I wasn't logged in.
Another reasoning is that the shady powers that sit apart and untouchable by the government (mainly through having money) saw this as an oppertunity to increase their own paedophile ring. But ofc noone wants to talk about shit like that any more. Pity the victims of rape and abuse parties still exist. Those who weren't snuffed out for the enjoyment of corrupt rich men.
But thats a whole other can of worms is it not?
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