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obama said :
"According to a quote released by the campaign, he said, “I have learned that when you are campaigning for as many months as Senator Clinton and I have been campaigning, sometimes you get careless in terms of the statements that you make and I think that is what happened here. Senator Clinton says that she did not intend any offense by it and I will take her at her word on that.”"
hillary clinton campaign accused the opposition of "inflaming" the situation.
I don't get some people.
by LCD on Sun May 25, 08 1:34pm
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Voted : Yes, but at a subconscious level
Anything that is competely unthinkable does not come to mind... it's obvious she wants this nomination real, real bad and initially thought she was a "shoe-in." The media was saying it's her race to lose and when she saw things not going her way, she went negative, took the low road, did not congratulate her rival when he would win, adopted "republican talking points, teamed up with (so called) mediators to grill her rival while hardly being asked about any of the "junk in her trunk," began to play the victim card, the race card, the gender card, the fuzzy math card, the change the rules we agreed to originally card, and the something might happen card just to name a few... to say the unthinkable in the context in which she did illustrates the lengths she will (or may?) go to to win even if it's by hook or by crook, and with her history, it shouldn't be a stretch to connect the dots. and to top it off, she didn't offer an apology to any of the candidates running for office although only one she would have to have "bad luck" in order for her to benefit. all she is managing to do is reinforce my growing growing negative opinions of her. see ballot #126900
In spite of her many critiques of Barrack, he has chosen to never speak a negative word about her or not congratulate her on her victories.
Voted : No, out of the question.
"Friday night, Kennedy's son, Robert Kennedy, Jr., released a statement that said he understands the point Clinton was making and said it would be a mistake to be offended.
"I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard-fought through June," he said. "I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense."
"I made clear that I was - and that I thought the urgency to end the 2008 primary process was unprecedented. I pointed out, as I have before, that both my husband's primary campaign, and Sen. Robert Kennedy's, had continued into June.
Almost immediately, some took my comments entirely out of context and interpreted them to mean something completely different - and completely unthinkable.
I want to set the record straight: I was making the simple point that given our history, the length of this year's primary contest is nothing unusual. Both the executive editor of the newspaper where I made the remarks, and Sen. Kennedy's son, Bobby Kennedy Jr., put out statements confirming that this was the clear meaning of my remarks. Bobby stated, "I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense."
-Hillary Clinton
The Hype Against Hillary
"Hillary Clinton was inartful in mentioning the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy on Friday, as she tried to explain why she is staying in the race for the Democratic nomination. But that's all she was: inartful.
Clinton erred in that her words, taken SUPER-LITERALLY, can be STRETCHED to mean that she is hedging against the possibility that Barack Obama will be killed. THAT IS PREPOSTEROUS. And to CLAIM THAT SHE WAS DELIBERATELY FOSTERING A POISONOUS ATMOSPHERE IS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE BITTER POLITICAL CLIMATE THAT SO MANY AMERICANS DECRY.*
New York Daily News editorial.
Its the media and Obamamaniacs that are distorting and perverting what she said. It is a non-issue. Both Obama and RFK Jr. say so.
"I don't get some people."
Me either. Why people continue to flog an obviously out of context statement. But I guess that it was the blogs and talking heads tell you.
*I thought Obama was all about rising above bitterness and divisiveness. Haven't you guys learned anything from him? Apparently not as most of you can look at this race in no other way than with bitterness and hate for his opponent. Sad, really. And definitely a turn-off for this person who is undecided about whether I would support Obama in a general election. You know, I'd like to support a candidate whose followers are positive people and who rise above nastiness, distortion and vindictiveness. I guess you can't support your candidate without hating the other. Oh, and several users have shared a similar opinion with me. Not to mention millions of other democrats.
PS, I don't believe it was me who made that statement.
^ Very well stated Thesoothsayer...
There are many Blacks that are very concerned about Obama's safety now and when/if he is elected President, my wife and many members of her family, our friends, both black and white...
The very idea she would accidentally mention such a unspeakable time in this nation's history during her's and Obama's bid for the nomation, I find it difficult to believe once again, it was a slip of the tongue...Hillary Clinton is a dangerous individual, she is obsessed with winning not only the nomation, but also the office of the Presidency and as she has demonstrated all so well, will say and do just about anything to meet her goal at anyone's expense...
Obama has conducted himself like a true gentleman and human being towards Hillary and all she has done is to give her BIG fat arse to Obama to kiss...
I no longer have any respect for her, she has without a doubt proven her enemies depiction of her...I in the past prior to her campaign supported her bid, supported her when her enemies attacked her and Bill and I had been told by those who loath her that I will see the true Hillary when the election gets rolling...Of course, I dismissed their point of view...
When the games began, I could not believe what I was witnessing and hearing from her and members of her camp...The lies, the filth, the fighting like a Republican, the attacks against Obama, her smiling lying face and handshakes with Obama and then she pulled out her ace in the hole, playing the race and gender card...
I must say, if her assassination comment was nothing more than she tripping over her tongue or brain, then I have concerns about a person who has tripped over both her tongue/brain on numerous occasions and if she can not do any better than that, then I have cause for pause regarding this woman's competence...
I am not implying that she calculated this comment with hopes of putting the idea in a nutjob's head, however, would that comment had pilled out of her pie hole had Obama been white?
This is directed at FF, first off, Obama did not play on Hillary's 1000 slip of the lip comment regarding the assassination, he gave her the benefit the the doubt...
As for RFK Jr coming out to support Hillary and explaining her comment, first of all, he does not know what is in the heart and mind of Hillary when she made the comment, secondly, just because he buys into her BS, it doesn't mean that her BS is justifiable...
You can refer to the Obama supporters as "Obamamanics," all you want, however, the "hilLIARymanics," certainly do not have any room to criticize anyone considering your candidate has done a terrific job in dividing this country between the races and genders...GW Bush could have NEVER done such a stupendous job...
Also, I can believe that it was not you that made that comment to LCD (Heck, you supported the likes of Herzog and not to mention hilIARy's race baiting arse), I don't believe it is within you to do so...
You can quote any source of information as you see fit, however, the bottomline is, your girl has been OUT of line since entering the nomation race...Anyone who supports her, supports her racist view and filty underhand tactics no matter the cost to others...
Voted : Yes, but at a subconscious level
Best guess at it
Voted : No, out of the question.
I think she was saying the primaries were still continuing in June, I don't believe she was thinking Obama might be assassinated. She was using a historical time line. If he had died of natural causes and she RFK was still in the primaries, on that tragic day that he died, would people think she meant Obama could still die?
Actually I don't know why I even bothered to ask that question , but I did.
LOL @ BBC. Sometimes you are so funny. I AM QUITE SURE that Robert F. Kennedy Jr has a FAR better idea about who Hillary Clinton is and how she thinks than you do.
^"if she said"
^^
"he has chosen to never speak a negative word about her"
What planet are you on? He has certainly gone negative on her. Questioned her values, trustability, etc. While he might not have gone as negative as her, he has most certainly let loose his campaign staff to say all the dirty things, the innuendo, etc that he won't say himself. Not much different in my book.
And of course, you know her better than I do as well...
It doesn't take a genius to figure out your candidate FF, she has flooded the airwaves with her dingbat commentaries and the idea you believe that RFK Jr has personal relationship with your candidate makes him more qualify to assess her character is certainly laughable...
I understand why you react the way you do when your candidate behaviors in the manner that she does, you have no other choice to do so, you are already locked in with your support of her...
Again, no one knows what is in her head and heart when she made this comment, the hilLIARymanics are going to give her the benefit of the doubt and I don't expect anything less than that from them...
However, she lost, she will not be on Obama's ticket, she blew it for alot of people, she is a divider and I will be celebrating once she is gone...Out with the OLD, in with the NEW...
when I comment on a poll question, I don't care what the media says, what Obama says, what the Kennedys say, I speak for myself. I am not running for office, trying to make friends, or sugar-coat what I think. I stand by what I posted. and I still find it curious that she would not even note why anyone would think there was only a slight on behalf of the Kennedys. It's typical of her and the way she has been carrying her campaign so far. and I don't find it surprising her supporters would justify her no matter what she meant. Bush has loyal supporters too.
Voted : Yes, but at a subconscious level
Freudian slip.
(If I was vindictive, I may have thrown in, "maybe she knows something we don't know")
I don't think she meant to suggest it, but it certainly wasn't a very smart thing to say. If she was smart she would have realized how this could be interpreted.
You (Obama supporters, bloggers and campaign staff) are a real piece of work. You treat 50% of the democratic base as follows:
1. That we are the enemy and Hillary is the anti-Christ leader
2. That Hillary would suggest Obama being assassinated
3. That she would do or say anything
4. that we are stupid ignorant and uneducated
5. that we are racist
6. Bitter and clinging to guns and religion (I understand what Obama said but I am talking about the others)
7. As if there are no good reasons why someone would support Hillary over Obama, like experience and her policy proposals
8. With utter disdain for the working class
You characterize her as:
1. Evil.
2. In the most vile and sexist manners imaginable
3. Worse than Bush from what I have seen lately
4. Trying to destroy the democratic party that she has been a part of since the 70s. Oh and btw, that her husband finally broke the republican stranglehold on the White House.
Then you expect:
1. Most importantly, that we will all come home and vote for Obama. Where else would we go or who else would we vote for? You take mine and other's support for granted.
2. That somehow we are supposed to forget all the things you have said and done. All the sexist slurs you have said yourself, let go by and perpetuated by inaction.
3. That I am supposed to acknowledge all of Hillary's sins but ignore all of Obama's. All his numerous gaffes, questionable associations and his flip flops.
4. That I ignore your repeated attempts at character assassination on a true American (and democratic party) hero - the first woman candidate for VP - Ferraro.
I can't even remember the last time I voted republican. Now, with the comments on this site, the blogosphere, and from his campaign staff and minions, I am likely to not vote for the democratic nominee (if Obama) in good part because of all the things you have done or not done and said. Quite frankly, I don't want to be associated with a candidate you support if this is how you choose to act and treat the rest of the democratic base.
LCD, BBC and others... good luck winning the general election without me and the many many others who feel this way. And you all wonder why so many Hillary supporters won't vote for Obama if he is the nominee... 
Voted : No, out of the question.
I think she was referring the possibility of HER being assasinated.
"You (Obama supporters, bloggers and campaign staff) are a real piece of work"
well at least you don't call us "obamaniacs" I guess that's progress.
if this wasn't the election year, and if you weren't supporting Hillary, you would be wishing for change in the white house like the rest of us.
funny how when you are actually given an opportunity to support a REAL change, your bias prevents you from standing up for such idealism.
by LCD on Sun May 25, 08 5:36pm
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fflsd, by all means, go vote for McCain.
then live with your decision for the next 4 years
by LCD on Sun May 25, 08 5:56pm
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Hmmm...which candidate is a divider and not a uniter... hmmm based on these comments I think I know which one.... hmmm... they are vowing to not support the party's candidate based on comments from others... I thought party support should be unshakable... not based on if your "horse" don't come in first place...
^ To FF response, ROFLMAO!!!
"LCD, BBC and others... good luck winning the general election without me and the many many others who feel this way. And you all wonder why so many Hillary supporters won't vote for Obama if he is the nominee..." ~ FF
Thank you for the great entertainment...Whew!!!
There was a ballot asking if people would vote for the other democratic candidate if their person lost the primaries and if I remember correctly, most Obama supporter said no way
Voted : Yes, but at a subconscious level
I think Hillary will say anything at this point. Then, play the I was mis-quoted card.
She probably loses as well in Atlantic City and Las Vegas, she not a very good card player.
"if this wasn't the election year, and if you weren't supporting Hillary, you would be wishing for change in the white house like the rest of us.
funny how when you are actually given an opportunity to support a REAL change, your bias prevents you from standing up for such idealism."
Besides being ridiculous, your post is also patronizing. Apparently in your mind the only candidate that is about change is Obama. As is typical of Obamamaniacs, you show utter disrespect of anyone who has a different opinion. You have just restated what I posted earlier. Anyone who is supports Hillary is stupid, ignorant, etc. In your view and in that of other Obamamaniacs we are some how deluded because we have not drank the Obama Kool-Aid and come to realize that he is the messiah, the only real change, etc.
Of course in your view, we don't have any good reason to support Hillary. It couldn't possibly be because she offers SUBSTANCE over Style, EXPERIENCE over a lack thereof, a RECORD of bipartisanship vs just talk, etc.
I'll keep fighting this aggressive because not only do I believe this but I have received lots karma and private messages from other users who agree with me and who complain about the "utter disrespect that Obama supporters show for those who think differently than they do".
This isn't a unique opinion either. It was found in today's NYT opinion section, all over the web, in real life and of course here. Obama's biggest problem in bring the party together (if he is the nominee) may not be himself. It is his self-righteous, hypocritical, disrespectful, nasty, sexist, judgmental, "we are so much smarter than you rubes" attitudes of his supporters.
"I thought party support should be unshakable... not based on if your "horse" don't come in first place..."
At least you didn't call her a cow like another user does. LOL
"There was a ballot asking if people would vote for the other democratic candidate if their person lost the primaries and if I remember correctly, most Obama supporter said no way
by larrynelmira"
Yes, and they were also far more vocal about it, calling her all sorts of names.
I reserve the right to not support a candidate. I don't belong to the communist party. I've stated my reasons as to why I may choose to not support Obama.
This column by Paul Krugman in today's New York Times sums it up well. It begins with:
"It is, in a way, almost appropriate that the final days of the struggle for the Democratic nomination have been marked by yet another fake Clinton scandal — the latest in a long line that goes all the way back to Whitewater."
This also sums it up well:
"So what should Mr. Obama and his supporters do?
Most immediately, they should realize that the continuing demonization of Mrs. Clinton serves nobody except Mr. McCain. One more trumped-up scandal won’t persuade the millions of voters who stuck with Mrs. Clinton despite incessant attacks on her character that she really was evil all along. But it might incline a few more of them to stay home in November.
Nor should Obama supporters dismiss Mrs. Clinton’s strength as a purely Appalachian phenomenon, with the implication that Clinton voters are just a bunch of hicks."
Which is EXACTLY what most of you Obama supporters do.
I do doubt that any of you will stop. You have drank so much Kool-Aid that you are drunk off your ass from and you will continue to insult everyone so much, pick pointless fights, beat the wife (she'll divorce you) and kids (will run away), etc that everyone will write you off. Just like a drunk.
Paul Krugman is entitled to his opinion, as is everyone else... you know what they say about opinions... he was certainly right about all the scandals... it's amazing how someone who has been around for 35 years (so they claim) agreeing with current policy that has gotten us to this point in time and even having a hand in major decisions that has had an adverse effect on this economy... by the way, "horse" was a metaphor. History will remember your idol as a busybody and an opportunist...funny it was her husband running around looking for "relief" in all the wrong places... at least he didn't beat her like Obama kool aid drinking supporters do to their wives (according to you). Hey relax and have a drink... for fun that never ends  BTW, see ballot #124471
"drank so much Kool-Aid that you are drunk off your ass from "
who's being patronizing?
by LCD on Mon May 26, 08 3:24pm
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Well LCD, your guy can do no wrong yet you ascribe the absolute most disgusting and vile things to Hillary. Someone isn't seeing things clearly and it isn't me. Call that patronizing if you wish but until you start criticizing Obama for all his many foibles and stop with the types of claims you make in this ballot, then I will keeping thinking you are drunk on Kool-aid.
^ Now, now, don't be that way FF, just take your toys, leave the sandbox and go home...
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