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WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT US HEALTH CARE?

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WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT US HEALTH CARE?


[+] ballot by skylab
ACTIVE Thu Nov 05, 09 - Fri Nov 05, 10

Post any random things you know about US health care.

Here are some random things I've read about health care:

A number of hospitals charge twice as much per patient as other hospitals, often with slightly worse results. The expensive hospitals often have a fee-for-service payment system, as opposed to hopitals like the Mayo Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic, where doctors get a paid a salary. Intermountain Healthcare also pays doctors a salary, and tries to apply the scientific method to health care. Estimates are that thousands of lives were saved as a result. For example, the survival rate for acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) increased from ten percent to forty percent when standard protocols were followed.

Only 0.05 percent of health care dollars are spent on evaluating the quality of medical technology. One government agency once found that common back operations don't work very well. A nurse I know said something very similar. Orthopedic and neurosurgeons lobbied Congress to cut funds for the agency to prevent more of such research.

Not by surprise, one study indicates that pharmeceutical companies publish the good results of drug tests, and not the ones that reflect badly on their products. The makers of Celebrex published six months of a study indicating the the drug worked well. The study really lasted twelve months, and the full twelve month study indicates that Celebrex works about as well as a placebo.

The US spends 2.4 times as much per person as other developed cntrys.
The US average lifespan is 78 years.
The US ranks fiftieth in life expectancy.
Even Cuba has a lower infant mortality rate than the US.
Rationing exists for those with pre-existing conditions.
Rationing exists in the form of lifetime and annual caps.
There is rationing of health care in the form of rescissions.
Betsey McCaughey said that rationing is caused by health care reform.
Betsy McCaughey said that the US has the world's best health care.
Betsy McCaughey believes in death panels.
There is never enough money for it (unlike wars)
Health care costs rise much more rapidly than inflation.
Health care now makes up 16 percent of the economy, and rising.
It costs several times as much to buy individual health insurance as group insurance
Cancer patients without insurance are 60 % more likely to die.
The McCarran-Ferguson Act allows health insurance oligopolies
Universal Health Care could be made so simple.
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Voted : The US spends 2.4 times as much per person as other developed cntrys.
I've been reading a great deal too and it's alarming. The quality of care and innovation is great, but so many hospitals and now even Doctors have become "Medical Corporations," that more and more, it's become about revenue and profit. There was a study done several years ago (name escapes me, but it was by the World Health Organization) and the conclusions were that given how much we spend on healthcare, the comparison to results is not good. In other words, the care/cure rate/survival rates are fine, but given that we spend so much more than nations with comparable results, it skews us down dramatically. Also factored in was the massive amount spend on "holistic" medicines, cosmetic surgery, etc.

Ultimately, the conclusions I read were basically that we are spending an exorbitant amount of money on healthcare and despite being leaders in some medical technologies and practices, the amount spent throws it off the charts.

The first thing I think we need to do is to cut waste and fraud and to re-align the medical field to be about curing sick people and not about corporations or profits.
by patch22us on Thu Nov 05, 09 1:43pm [+]

it's so rediculous.

what I found out in the recent days is that most medicine for hypertension is $4 a MONTH, at walmart.

if we get people on these before they have major heart attacks, you save about $500k per person.

it's just plain stupidity to not have everyone diagnosed and on it. it's double stupidity not to.
by LCD on Thu Nov 05, 09 4:33pm [+]

^ I've listened to a doctor formerly with the Dept of Ag. explain how certain normal stats like blood pressure are raised for that very purpose. He explained that many people who walk out of the doctor's office with a diagnosis of hypertension and a prescription in hand don't really have "high blood pressure". A very large number of those don't have a chronic condition and could very well be treated with herbs and diet. But if that's done, it means millions in losses for pharmaceutical companies.

As for what I know about healthcare... I've had several good lessons in the past, most recently when my grandmother was in the nursing home. When a physical therapy company comes in to give vocational and speech therapy to a 97 year old woman who will never walk again and who speaks more clear English than the people attending to her, it's not hard to see that money is the real motive behind much of the "care".

And it continues because people don't care. All too many people have the attitude of "I don't care, it's free. Medicade's paying for it".
by Grumpy_Person on Thu Nov 05, 09 5:55pm [+]

Voted : Universal Health Care could be made so simple.
Don't you get a "tax-break" for paying Mortage Interest, etc, already? Don't you get a "tax-break" for charitable donations, etc, already?
Why couldn't we be given a "tax-break" for health insurance premiums??

Nah. That's too simple.
by SiouXLea on Fri Nov 06, 09 9:07am [+]

^Thanks for your input. However, could that policy do more than delay the day of reckoning, given that US health care costs keep rising much faster than inflation? Also, what about denial of health care to those with pre-existing conditions (whether Down Syndrome or anything else)? What about lifetime and annual caps, and rescissions? Just a few thoughts.
by skylab on Fri Nov 06, 09 9:19pm [+]





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