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Oh, sure. And how many question marks do you really need, gag?
I shouldn't even answer you. I should IGNORE you but i can't do that now. Anyway, i won't vote here, i don't want to make it popular. BTW. My argument here is: You're idiot. That's all you need to know about yourself. So long, idiot.
YEs and the people starved almost to death that were filmed in the camps were just part of the conspiracy. And the mountains of corpses were part of the scheme. And human skin lampshades were made with nazi skin probably. And golden theet were stolen to the cows. And crematoy furnaces were for the bread. And all the books of memories were a fake (even in italian language, or hungarin, or yugoslavian etc), and the ghettos in wien, Berlin, Dresda etc were only neighbourhood like the others. And ... but i'm bored, eventually, to talk with an idiot. No real conversation, see.
Anyone here actually visit Dachau? I did. Or any of the other "supposed sites? I did. Anyone, as an America, live in Germany for 4 yrs...and heard the Germans's denial? I did.
anyone care if i make a lampshade out of alabama boy??? Gut!!!!!
To bad they weren't smart enough to leave Germany when they saw Hitler coming to power.
Histroy is written by the winners
Gagoonies, are you really this stupid, or did you have to practice? My father and my uncle both served in Europe in WWII. They saw with their own eyes, at Dachau and Auschwitz, the things you claim didn't happen. I have personally known survivors of the Nazi death camps. You and your fellow Holocaust deniers are a bunch of clueless morons. It happened. Deal with it.
I'm sure that happened.But what degree?Who knows?
I know every white person is not racist so theses questions does not pertain to everyone:
Do white people like Jews?
Do white people like blacks?
Do white people like gays?
Do white people think that they are right and everyone else is nothing?
Do white people think that the are superior?
What do they really mean by a New World Order?
Get my drift??
When I was little, living in Europe, I had a neighbour that was like a second grandfather to me. And one day I notced that he had a tattoo of a 4 digit number on his upper arm. I asked my father what it meant, and he told me never to ask again. I now realize that it was a number from the Jew camps. How can people even think that the Hollocaust never happened? give me just one concrete piece of evidence (besides all the Germans saying that it never happened) and maybe then I'll listen. It's quite amazing how many dumbasses live in this world.
Ella, do you think that the people who deny holocaust should be put in jail? And if you think that way, why?
by SAS on Wed Jan 07, 04 2:36pm
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Um, I don't htink 6 million people just 'go missing'.
There's News Reel footage that the Nazis' Shot of the Mass Graves While a Bull Dozer plowed the bodies under!
I wish people would actually take time to study the evidence from both sides before making statements like "it is real 6 million Jews died". Too many people just obediently swallow the mainstream theory without giving it a second thought.
Whatever the actual figures, Stalin killed a lot more people than Hitler. Why is there a silence about that? What about millions of non-Jews who died during WW2? The Jewish mind controlling media has been very succesful making people think like Jewish life is somehow more precious.
by SAS on Sat Jan 10, 04 10:16am
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Thank you for answering, Ella.
I'm sure most of the people who question the number of Jews killed during WW2 don't hate Jews just because they are Jews. They are just seeking the truth. There are a lot of unaswered questions about WW2 and I just hope that everyone gets to say their opinion. This "admit 6 million Jews died or you're a Nazi" isn't very productive either.
by SAS on Sat Jan 10, 04 4:29pm
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some of you dickheads just should of been blowjobs!you ignorant fools get off your intentdo.playstaytion ..some of us are in our forties with parents who were not jews and family killed...it happened you blow jobs and i wish you morons safe and happy war on your games
I have trouble understanding you, saintann. Quit saying "blowjobs" all the time and come up with a reasonable opinion so we can talk further.
by SAS on Sat Jan 10, 04 5:07pm
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The 6 million are all over here in New york, Hollywood and Cincinnati.The Germans would have had to kill every single jew(KHAZAR)in the area they had control of. There are 6 to 10 million jews in America, it would be an impossibility. Read Martin Luther and Jews!!!
Col. Kurtz
David Irving's website: www .fpp. co. uk/
by SAS on Sun Jan 11, 04 11:37am
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The general consensus amongst just about all credible historian is that the 6 million figure is exaggered.
by SAS on Mon Jan 12, 04 4:08pm
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i don't know about your country, but if i were to say that the holocaust didn't happen I would be arrested, besides, it DID HAPPEN!!
& Guest_ce084, you are a HORRIBLE person
Screw The Nazis! They killed my type!
"Sas, even David Irving puts the number at 4 million."
Why don't you go to the death-roll index of Mr. Irvings website.
"Hitler and Eichmann themselves said it was true."
You go to the Eichmann index of the same website. And please provide evidence that Hitler ever mentioned the mass killing of the Jews.
by SAS on Tue Jan 13, 04 10:31am
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When are you due to have a new brain implanted gag' it can't happen to soon
Sas, Hitler mentioned no fewer than 3 times in public speeches that either Europeans or Jews would have to be exterminated. Major Nazi officers like Himmler, Hoss, and Eichmann testified that killing Jews were the Fuhrer's orders. They also sent Hitler document with statistics about how many people they had captured and executed, with a separated column just for Jews. Yeah, Hitler had no idea.
Weltall, let me elaborate. What I want is the actual proof that Hitler ever referred to the actual holocaust (not just threats). I suggest you take a look at David Irving's dossiers about Eichmann and Höss. According to my knowledge, there is no documentation that Hitler gave a direct order to exterminate all Jews, but you can ofcourse proove that I'm wrong if you will provide clear evidence.
by SAS on Tue Jan 13, 04 1:51pm
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It seems this website can't handle umlauts.
by SAS on Tue Jan 13, 04 1:54pm
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6 million Jews died, 8 million ethnic minorities died. Sad to see someone making light of death.
SAS, what if the number was only 1 million, why try to attempt to justify this in anyway?
SAS, I'd like to discuss this with you sometime. Stalin killed many people and was a horrible man. The thing is, it wasn't genocide. He massacred those who went against him. Hitler killed because of race/ethnicity. That's a big differnce.
Another point, the war Hitler caused with his insane plan killed 20 million Russians alone. Where are you from? Imagine if 20 million people where you lived died right now. That's the whole state of Texas. That almost 1/4 of Germany's 82 million people.
"SAS, what if the number was only 1 million, why try to attempt to justify this in anyway?"
Who said anything about justification? We're just seeking the truth here. Is there something wrong with that?
"SAS, I'd like to discuss this with you sometime. Stalin killed many people and was a horrible man. The thing is, it wasn't genocide. He massacred those who went against him. Hitler killed because of race/ethnicity. That's a big differnce."
Stalin killed all people who even MIGHT have gone against him. Hitler saw Jews as a threat as well. So what's the difference? I can't see any, unless you think that killing any and all people instead of just killing people of certain ethnic/religious group is somehow better. Where is the big difference? The only difference is that Jews constanly whine about that they were killed too and act like Jewish life is more important that the life of a gentile.
by SAS on Tue Jan 13, 04 4:05pm
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"Another point, the war Hitler caused with his insane plan killed 20 million Russians alone. Where are you from? Imagine if 20 million people where you lived died right now. That's the whole state of Texas. That almost 1/4 of Germany's 82 million people."
Hitler invaded Russia because he knew Stalin was going to attack anyway. Stalin was already making preparations to invade Germany. But I'm not defending Hitler. I'm not a Nazi and I don't support Hitler, but if you're going to diss him, please do it with facts.
by SAS on Tue Jan 13, 04 4:10pm
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I am a Gentile. Stalin did not start WWII. Nor did he invade neighboring Poland, which is much closer to Russia than Germany. Where do you come up with Stalin ivading Germany? He would have to go through what Hitler already took. Hitler's plan was for world domination, including Russia.
There is no fact to Stalin invading Germany, find one and write a book about it, because you'll be the first to discover it.
Also please visit the Holocaust Memorial in D.C. It will change your life.
I didn't say Stalin invaded Germany. But he was making preparations for it, look it up. I'm no fan of either Hitler or Stalin, I just try to look at things objectively.
by SAS on Tue Jan 13, 04 4:22pm
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Or if you're in Europe, catch a train and visit Auschwitz in Germany.
I don't need to look it up, it's not there. Only after Hitler began war did aggresion occur on any front.
I will agree that after the war, Stalin and communism saw an oppurtunity to begin its spread, but the is an effect from an cause. Cause: Hitler bringing everyone in Europe into war.
Another thing. Don't underestimate the strength Hitler had at that time. Had not America stepped in, Hitler would have easily crushed Russia. D-Day caused Hitler to focus more intently on the Western front, relieving pressure from Russia. There's no way Stalin would have ever been able to invade Germany. He knew that.
I recommend you these books, soldier:
Ernst Topitsch: Stalin's war
Edvard Radzinsky (a Jew by the way): Stalin
Both are available in English.
Hitler wouldn't have crushed Russia. Even Churchill said that as soon as he heard that Hitler had invaded Russia he knew the war was won. Russia was mainly responsible for beating Germany. At least 70% of all German casualties were inflicted by Russians.
Stalin knew very well he could beat Germany. He was just waiting for the right moment, but Hitler surpriced him. Stalin was doing all the things one needs to make to attack to another country and Hitler noticed that.
by SAS on Tue Jan 13, 04 4:48pm
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Feel free to vote on my new poll VOTE-13123.HTML
I'm new here and would love to get some feedback from all of ya'll.
Some people cling so desperately to their ignorance that it truly must be bliss. I can't believe I'm reading this.
"I can't believe I'm reading this."
I can't either. Isn't it amazing that most people still believe the 6 million theory just because Rabbi Goldberg says so?
by SAS on Wed Jan 14, 04 6:23am
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Hey SAS to bad the book is a THEORY!!!!
STALIN'S WAR: A RADICAL NEW THEORY OF THE ORIGINS OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR, by Ernst Topitsch
The book states that this is radical and new. It also states it's NOT accepted by almost all major historians. In fact only the new, small group of Revsionist, think not believe, this could have happened.
Also I find a major flaw with Stalin prodding Hitler to war. The fact that Hitler had already written a book about taking over Europe. He was going to Russia anyways!
Yes it did in fact happen but the number of jewish people who died during it is blown out of proportion. You also have to understand that many races and backgrounds were killed during it and not just Jews. Polish,Italian, Catholic, Protestant etc people of other races, backgrounds and beliefs have sacrificed. Be careful of who you belittle. Your family member may have been killed during it.
it was a good idea shut up!
it was a good idea shut up!
by Leprechaun on Jan 15, 2004.
What an intelligent response. You dropped out in fourth grade,right?
This is such a tragic event in the world's history, so much pain so much suffering. I don't like the jewish people as much as the next guy, there arrogant, cheap, and tip horrible. But gagoonies i want to kick you in teh Nuts you racist piece of shit.
if`n the usa says it happened.it fuckin` did.
Some of the comments on this poll make me sick.
You are all confused my friends.
jews need to be eliminated.
they are causing too much damage to the world.
They worship Satan
now!
Is it not our duty to fight satanists?
Fight for America
Fight the JEWS who have occupied America
Here we go again-whine whine whine. Nazis really are a useless bunch of old women.
Yes,next question
Of course it happened. These people are either ignorant, insane, or in denial. It's hard to tell which.
"You are all confused my friends.
jews need to be eliminated.
they are causing too much damage to the world.
They worship Satan
now!
Is it not our duty to fight satanists?
Fight for America
Fight the JEWS who have occupied America "
Jews worship the same God that Christians and Muslims worship you dumb fuck.
if youd kill all the jews youd kill::: VIN DESIL,Jack Black,Adam Sandler,steven speilberg,billy joel,grace (will & Grace),Dustin Hoffman,Jerry Seinfeild,Howard STERN,Jerry Springer,David Stern,Ben STiller,Jon Stewart.. and lots more.. and think of the very very helpfull jews... CHRISTOPHER COLOMBUS,EINSTEIN,Benjamin FRANKLIN.. and funny::: Three Stooges
You fucking cunt JEW
First of all
Who gives a fuck if six million Jews fucking dieed they have cause 220 million deaths just in the last 100 years..nevermind that as I write you jew have probably just shot a Palestinina child for fun.
Just get ready mother fuckers to kiss your ass goodbye.
Because there is just sooooooooo much hate for you from people of the world that any day any chance any opportunity...it will blow up in your fucking ugly Jew mother fucking face.
Fuck the Jews
The most hated people in the history of the world.
these satan worshipping mother fucker need to meet the final solution,
HATE them!
IT IS YOUR DUTY as a decent human being
and certainly you duty as an AMERICAN
Guest084-I'm not sure that you are a human being..certainly not a decent human being. On a humanity scale you are right down there with Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, and John Wayne Gacy. Don't talk to us about decent. You don't know the meaning of the word.
Guest_084 is going to be on the news one day..having murdered several people, animals, children, ect. They'll put his mother on the news and she'll try and convince us he was a sweet little boy and his neighbours will say that he was quiet and kept to himself. It's inevitable.
The next time you have a few weeks to kill, get a passport, fly to Europe, tour the old country and enjoy yourself. While you are there, slip into Poland and find the town called Oswiecim, then find the concentration camp (its called Auschwitz). Take a look around. If that doesnt convince you, you are beyond redemption.
Would you people stop ranting on gagoonies? Leave the poor kid alone, what with being born like that and all...
Don't you all see that gagoonies is simply pulling your chain? He does this to get you all fired up, and you all act like good puppets and do what the master says. Stop encouraging the poor bastard.
Yes it did ,there are plenty of photos & other
evidence that proves,altho Germany is not the only country
involved.
Stalin systematically killed more people than hitler, but this goes unheared because a jew life if worth more than a gentile life, right jews??? The history channel rarely covers Pol Pot, or the rape on nanking, millions of cambodians and chinese have been massacred, but I guess their lives are not worth as much as a jew, right jews??? and the history channel is run by jews, how sick is that?
I look forward to visiting God666 when he's on death row:)
Guest_d63da , after all the hateful, racist, neo-nazi crap I've heard you say, don't try to pretend that you care about other people or have anything approaching human feelings. None of us are fooled. We have your number.
Nazis make look like idiots and talk like idiots, but don't let that fool you. They really are idiots.
I wonder if anyone realises that all these Nazi comments are made by one or two people continually changing their names? *LOL* I wonder how much more pathetic you can get.
Guest_94bab-also Guest_d63da, Guest_ce084,
Guest_f1b94, and I'm betting you're the dickhead who started the stupid poll to begin with. Even if you aren't, you have a multiple personality problem. Would you like me to go on any further or should I just print your IP Address right here and make you look like the moron you actually are?
Oops, missed one, loser. You're also Guest_41608. The mouth moves, the eyes are open, but Mr. Brain has long since departed this losers head.
Guest_76be2-When's your lobotomy--oh that's right. It's already happened, hasn't it?
This Nazi person has also been causing trouble at a birth message board and then again at a parenting message board. They called themselves "Sweetness". Isn't that just too precious..
*L* That's the best your small brain can manage, sweetness, that's okay.
Well gagoonies, youve done it again, I didnt want to get angry and you did it, gratz. I could go into proof and so on, or maybe talk about the human or psycological aspects of it, but instead ill simply say, gagoonies, I hope you did this A)For responses. B)To find the odd interesting opinion or C)Because you were bored. If it is for any other reason say like, trying to piss everyone off, well thats alright I guess.. Hell I really dont care, just wanted to know why, personally.
You really have no idea how really sick you sound when you say those things, do you? Maybe I should forward this to your local police station and they can be on the lookout for you-any unsolved murders, they'll know who to look for.
Don't ya love it! Watching a Nazi's IQ get lower, and lower...
Ah, the Nazi's. Possessing brains that fail to produce a single thought.
If the holocaust never happened - why did the germans agreed to pay?
Actually the Germans suggested it.
by yosi on Sun Jan 18, 04 1:56pm
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Now now, temper temper. And such language too. Didn't you have your nap today, Ratkins? Need your bottle?
Guest d63da,
The holocaust of the Palestinians is happening at the hands of the Jews?
How lame and uninformed.
Muslims are responsible for thousands more Palestinian deaths than Israel. Israel has killed 3000 Palestinians in a 8 year period. Kuwait alone was responsible for ethnically cleansing 200000 Palestinians. No one cares when they do it to each other though.
denying it doesn't change it
This is the thing about Nazis-being uneducated, they can't argue with others on an intellectual basis. Instead they resort to crudity,profanity and murder threats. Then they have the gall to pretend like they are Christian and care about God. Please.
What did a jew ever do to you?
Guest_fbb17 --What the hell is bullshot?? Do you mean bullshit? After all the filth that occupies your mouth and your mind, don't tell me you're turning into a prude.
This is absolutly the stupidist question that has ever been asked everyone is now more retarded by reading this and its 2 minutes of my life that iw ill never get back
A person who believes that the Holocause never occurred is a person who clearly has a self esteem issue or is a follower, only believing this because they have no one or no clear goal in their lives.
If six million didn't die, then where did they go??? I suggest you take a trip to the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C., you'll certainly believe it occurred,
A question for all the nazis who claim that there was no holocaust:
Suppose it did/will happen, will you support it?
by yosi on Wed Jan 21, 04 5:49am
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I think another question to ask is why does the media only cover that particular holocaust, because it is only one of many througout human history, ex. the rape of nanking by japanese forces, stalins forced starvation on millions of his own people. Maybe their lives aren't worth as much as jews????
something to ponder
who controls the media?? is your answer
Couchgnome- Do you realize 100,000 were killed in the rape of Nanking. Albeit, that it irreprehensible, its nothing in comparison to 6 million. The Holocaust is not blown out of proportion 6 million people did die, members of my family included. Mind you there has been other genocide, but this is the largest act of genocide in recent history -- that's why you hear about it!
Yes, the Holocaust is a International Jewish extortion racket and it is used for ungarnered sympathy. It is a giant web of lies that they spun up in the ADL Holocaust Propaganda Mill. USA- THROW OFF THE CHAINS OF ZOG!
savoyard, in the rape of nanking 369,366 Chinese civilians and prisoners of war were slaughtered by the invading troops. How dare you lie, and say their lives are worth less than jews.
yES IT DID AND IT'S STILL OCCURING..IT'S CALL ABORTION NOW. 200 MILLION LAST YEAR ALONE IN THE USE ALONE.
Couchgnome- I never said the lives of the Chinese were worth less than that of the Jew's. What I said was killing 6 million was much worse than 100,000, seeing that your killing sixty Jews for every one Chinese. And I meant 100,000 civillians... at least that's the figure Encarta has it at -- yours may be correct, but it is still no where near 6 million.
Couchgnome, what makes the holocaust different, is that there was a state-directed systematic killing in order to extinct another race. I'm not claiming it is the only one - the Armenian holocaust by Turkey claimed over one million lives, but with much less brutality. How can you compare forced starvation to gas chambers and actively killing people. The Nanking massacare was not directed against the entire chinese race in order to completely destroy it.
by yosi on Wed Jan 21, 04 2:00pm
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Hitlr:fuck of or change your name back in Schickgmler
yogi, sorry yosi: why do you think that death by starvation is somehow les dramatic then death by gass. the turks just diden't have the money to buy gass. by the way starvation kills in weeks, zyklon b kills in 15 min. who teached you ethics? where you sitting on your head and thinking with your ass when you wrote that?
oh sorry i see you are a jew. armenian are not jew. i understand your logic.
prove to me it was "state directed" Wahnsee was a private meeting, not even registered! Hitler' fault was his confidence in his henchmen. People who said Hitler was behind all this were not in that room.
It's not the only holocaust this century has seen, but yes it did happen. I spent some time in Germany a few years ago and the one thing you notice is that the older and younger people are INCREDIBLY EMBARRASSED and ASHAMED about it. No one there denies it...with the exception of crackpots.
Dear Mr. Adolph Hitler:
You claim that death by gas is much better than starvation. Of course the germans provided the jews in concentration camps 3 meals a day with balanced diet, and never forced them to work. it was just like a holiday with a gas chamber in its end. Really, the Germans were the most human of all mass murderers, how could I forgot. The pictures of the bodies after the liberation of this camp was only by chance of extremely skinny jews.And those who were burned were all healthy and happy people.
You are right, no document connects Hitler directly to the holocaust, but for example in his "Mein Kampf", he said that the jewish problem had to be solved. As a good and strong dictator I would expect him to minimally know why a multi-country wide of trains, "delieveries" and death camps are being done, so don't be so sure your master is so clean even if there isn't evidence for that.
And I don't know how you understood that I underestimate the Armenian holocaust, although many jews are.
But the cards should be on the table, the most shocking and brutal atempt, to eliminate whole race, is the one of the Nazis.
by Yosi on Thu Jan 22, 04 1:54pm
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"Hey SAS to bad the book is a THEORY!!!!"
It's not just a theory. It is supported by facts. Hitler attacked Russia only because he felt that he had to, because Stalin was already making his first preparations to launch the attack against Germany. Many of the facts regarding this haven't been discovered until resently.
by SAS on Thu Jan 22, 04 2:30pm
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gagoonies, you really are a sick, sad bastard...
my jewish frend, the problem is not about how long did it take for dews or armenian to die ( i could tell you that most of the jews were gas imidiately after they arived in the KZ, you could tell me that they were first starve in the ghetto and then they were starve in the trains, etc). but this is not the point. the point is why do you think that is worst to kill 6 mil. jews then to kill 1 mil. (i knew about 2 mil. but let it be...) armenian. the killing of the armenian was also state-directed (the second comentary about Wahnsee and all that other shit does not belong to me, someone from my right side writed). the turks wanted the get rid of the armenian . is true it was not racist killing: just etnic clensing. but tha really counts, when the porpose is the same: exterminating an people.
I don't know how you got the impression that I underestimate the Armenian holocaust. Their extinction attempt is, like the jews' holocaust, one of the darkest chapters of human civilization. Again I say that I, not like many jews, am not trying to ignore or disrespect the Armenian holocaust. It doesn't matter which nation was being destroyed. But, after all, there is a reason for my reference to the Armenian holocaust as the "Armenian holocaust", and the jewish one, as simply "the holocaust".
Beside the larger number of human beings that was slaughtered, the determination and the backround for the killing is much more shocking. That doesn't mean that I try to present the Armenian holocaust as "human-holocaust", but the nazis by their brutality overwhelmed the entire world.
By the way - why are you calling yourself Adolph Hitler, because you seem to understand exactly what horrible crimes the nazis did...
by Yosi on Fri Jan 23, 04 1:42pm
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God remembers all the jewish people who were murdered,plus thousands of others too. AND God remembers all those who did those terrible things and who are responsible. God will get his revenge!
gagoonies u dumbass, it did happen
Let's go clean out Hollywood!
how are there so many fuking nazis on this site
u are a fuking racist gagoonies
wots wrong wit jews ok they maybe in sum1elses country but there more inteligent than the fuking yanks
Hitler himself fuckin' said that it was true.. So did Eichmann, may he rot in hell. What the fuck is wrong with you people. You are simply murderers, and I don't want to hear your crap that it was NECESSARY t kill all the Jews. Damn you!
Riddance to al Nazis.
did you know that Jews steal young white children and sacrifice them to Satan in their Satanic temples.many children are missing in highly jewish populated areas
Yosi: i am ging to tell you something for wich i could be linched in my country (romania). in julay 1941 the romanian troops crossed the river Prut in what is today republic of moldavia. until 1940 moldavia was a part of romania, but after the defeat of france (our allied) and acording to ribbentrop-molotv pact from 1939, ussr demanded that teritory and from weeknes we accepted there ultimatum. in 1941 we eliberated moldavia and in compensation nazi germany gived romania only to administrate an other teritory est of moldavia: transnistria. here were deported all the jews from moldavia (the jews from romania were not deported and sufered less, usualy there fortunes were cofiscated by the state, but that was all). the jews from bessarabia (today rep. of moldavia) sufered an diferent tretment because they were considerd to be comunist and instruments of sovietics policys of slavisation of the province. plus when the romanian troops whotdrow from bassarabia in 1940 after the soviet ultiatum the "russian" jews from the province atacked them and they welcomed the russians whit flowers and red banners. between 1941-1943 some 200 000 jews died in transnistria from starvation, desies or killed by romanian soldier or ucrainian locals. do you think that this crimes born out of revenge were less dramatic then thouse comited in auschwitz or all the othere KZ? remember this were not racist crimes and the intention of the romanian goverment was not to exterminate the jews, as prove is the fact that the "romanian" jews survived the war and rom. govt. refuse to gived them to the nazi to be killed.
You say it like it happens everyday, that groups of people across europe who share mainly just a racial identity, are being gathered in crowded ghettos to live life of misery, with starvation and forced labour, treated like animals, and when they can't be useful to the war machine they are sent to the mass production factories of death. One can almost think that almost every human being that is murdered, it's because his murderer acted to fulfill the rules of evolution and the natural order, in which the stronger race - the one of the killer should eventually eliminate the weaker races - that of the murdered, according to darwin's "The strong survived" rule, that was implemented on people, and used to justify killings like that.
If you didn't understand I was being cynical, and you think that those kind of crimes are not dramatic enough, so yes you can claim the holocaust is no different.
Again I'm not saying that killing people is OK as long as it's not from the above reasons, but the holocaust didn't achieved its status and level of importance because of jewish propeganda or anything like that. The holocaust speaks for itself, and is one if not the first of the most shocking crimes against humanity.
by Yosi on Sun Jan 25, 04 9:53am
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Why am I(yosi) was called anonymous?
by Yosi on Sun Jan 25, 04 9:57am
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I've been on here for5minutes and I've concluded that all the deadwood of humanity has somehow converged onto this site. If the holocaust never happened perhaps you can tell me where the 11 million CERTIFIED dead disappeared to?
This is what I despise about all conspiracy theorists, they deny facts without providing any sort of knowledge of their own bieng presented.
Genocides happened long before the Holocaust. One can "deny" the Holocaust significance yet approving its existence, 'cause I see no reason to put Jew above any gentiles; they suffered what any race or people suffered. There are no exceptions in history. Every people had its own "holocaust" That's why I consider it worthless of remembering. It is animal nature, and human nature. These will always happen, unless only one people will prevail and all others will be exterminated: it is called extinction.
once again i diden't wrote that. i will be back but i have no time right now.
who cares
Yeah, sure.
Not only do we kidnap Jewish children, we kidnap non-Jewish children and bake them in matzah.
Get a fuckin' life, man. Even mega-extremists have some brains.
What the HELL? I'm insulted people don't realize that 6 MILLION DIED. How can that be propoganda? Obey the Crab.
Why would anyone want to have a screen name of Adolf Hitler???
guest_db2cf, if you call 3000 palestinians dead - most of them were arms carrying, over 3.5 years of war, a holocaust, you can be sure that the germans did that to the jews (and almost every nation in europe by your standarts).
by Yosi on Mon Jan 26, 04 4:48am
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You guys are so blinded by pure hatred and ignorance that even if someone would TRY to talk to you guys, it wouldn't help.
SIX MILLION JEWS PERISHED DURING THE HOLOCAUST. IT IS A FACT. IT IS UNDENIABLE. PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTI-SEMITES SAY THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN JUST TO COME THEIR CONSCIENCE.
IF YOU'RE NOT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, BUT YOU'RE STILL AN ANTI-SEMITE, LET ME TELL YOU THIS: DID YOU KNOW THAT HITLER, MAY HE ROT IN HELL, AND EICHMANN, MAY HE SHARE THE SAME FATE, BOTH HAVE PROCLAIMED, THAT "THE HOLOCAUST TOOK PLACE; WE HAVE MURDERED 6 MILLION, BUT IT WAS NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH; OUR GREATEST CONCERN AND SORROW IS THAT WE DIED BEFORE FINISHING THE TASK. AND FURTHERMORE, ANYONE WHO DENIES THE HOLOCAUST IS AN EMBARRASMENT TO US AND TO THE ENTIRE NAZI SCIETY, AND IS NO BETTER THAN THE DIRTY JEWS THEMSELVES."
For all you assholes who still think that it didn't take place, I'd suggest that you go stuff yourself in a fucking hole and hide there until eternity, because Jesus, Muhammed, (or whoever is the symbol of greatness in your religion) would consider you a disgrace to your religion.
Regards. (or maybe not)
violinmeister8x you are either a nazi, a jew or both at the same time!
This poll and most of it's obscene racist comments are an abomination. An insult to all right thinking people who possess any semblance of humanity or compassion. However, having read every comment in slack jawed disbelief It begs the question (raised by some) should it be allowed. Before looking at the rights and wrongs of Gagoonie the Loony's original question, it's this issue I'd like to address. Although much of this anti-semetic, misinformed denial is offensive to most and clearly (as demonstrated by Guest_82cb1) coming from the same IP address under different guises, I believe that there is a place on the net for this type of discussion board. Primarily because it highlights the danger within. This freedom of expression which our Neo-Nazis currently enjoy was hard fought and won with great sacrifice by our fathers and grandfathers in the war against Nazi-ism. This is a fact the far right either choose to forget or have learned to exploit. We, as free people are allowed to pump out these disgusting theories and hateful bilge based on our ingnorance and prejudice because we can. In turn we enjoy the freedom to refute them as we see fit and as our conscience dictates. To ban or outlaw this medium of expression would
1) Allow the normal to people to beleive that all in the garden is roses and that the festering chancre of racism that blights our society is now gone away.
2) It would drive the Racists underground where they can plan and plot their next atrocity in secret (the first casualty of which would be our freedom to disagree with them.)
I draw the conclusion, Better the devil you know.
The holocaust is one of many race crimes in the history of mankind. However it stands out for its sheer systematic approach to mass extermination and therefore ranks higher than most. The Nazi's were (to thier ultimate cost) fanatical record keepers and so from their own documentation and film footage, the figures and overwhelming evidence is unequivocal. To deny the fact shows a blind ignorance of staggering proportions. I've just finished a book which narrates the Vichi French involvement in the ultimate solution. (Petain's Crime, by Paul Webster ISBN 0-330-48785-X) The French were not alone in assisting the Nazis either. Jews from every corner of the Axis were packed off to camps or dealt with locally, often by locals out to protect their own interests rather than face a similar fate.
I have travelled all over Europe and have seen examples everywhere. Germany, Holland, France Belgium, Italy, Poland, The Balkans. Even in the occupied Channel Islands the British residents there, happily handed over their Jews to appease their new masters so My countrymen are not without blame. Whether it was 6 million or 6 is not really relevant. The fact is it was a monumental wrong. Most of the the perpetrators at the heart of the plan were either brought to justice or killed themselves to evade justice. Many though and most of the little people, the actual trigger pullers, escaped but have spent the rest of their lives looking over their shoulders. (Eichmann being a case in point.) Anyone who is having revisionist doubts should broaden their horizons. Walk through Dachau, Belsen or Auschwitz, Visit your own memorials in your own nations, and as you pass through, realise There, but for the grace of God, go I. Be appauled but believe it can and did happen. We need to make sure it doesn't happen again and if it does we have to send our peace keepers in immediately to stop it. Like we did in Iraq (twice). Like we did in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Like we did in Rwanda, Like we didn't in Zimbabwe. It's happening all the time. Stay awake, cause it could be your town next. Your house that gets the 3 o'clock knock.
tHE ,PROTOCOL OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION,
read it and see what Jews are planning for us Americans.
BEWARE NOT FOR CHILDREN!
the protocol of the learned elders of zion(find it on the internet)
BENJAMIN FREEDMAN
find it on the internet
He is an x zionist warning America about the Evil Jews
You've got to be a dumbass if you think the holocaust didn't happen. C'mon there's more proof of that than you can shake a stick at.
guest084, youmust be a desperate man to pull out the protocols as a serious suggestion. How about you read about Winnie the Pooh to find out about living in a forest, cos that's true as well.
I bow down to you gagoonies- you really do know how to piss off so you can have you're ballot on the most popular ballots. You are good, they just keep going- and going and goig.
IT IS FAKE
you country ass cornballs
Ehh... It doesn't pay to say anything. Everyone who denies the Holocaust should say a BIG thank-you to LCD, for creating a site in which people can say the most ignorant, childish, racist, and above all, disgusting things which they wouldn't dare say to any other normal man in person. You guys are retards. And Cowards. BIG cowards.
We really have to have moderators, LCD. Ones that would filter out any Nazi garbage.
Trust me, whoever will nuke the Nazis away (very soon) won't be the slightest proud. On the contrary, they'll be disgusted that they had to deal with vicious creatures who have a sheet of cold iron where the heart should be.
Oh, and you come from India? Is that why you call yourself Aryan?
My research into the causes of WWII and the aftermath led me to the Holocaust. At the time I wrote to the Prime Ministers office in Israel regarding the number of Jewish people killed at the hands of the Nazis. His response was close to 450,000. The French give the number as 385,000. Whatever the number is, even the killing of one person is wrong. My objection is that the Holocaust committee refuses to share their museum, a museum in Washington that is funded with U.S. dollars to the tune of 35 million yearly. If we are to be aware of man's inhumanity to man, then all tragedies should be represented in the Holocaust museums.
I don`t know about the Jew mothe fuckers holohaox but I know about the Palestinian holocaust which is happening RIGHT NOW ..in the hands of the SATANIC JEWS
Hmmm. You dont know about the Holocaust, yet you deny it. You have a very interesting thinking pattern. And by interesting I mean stupid.
Postol is right. How can it be called "The UNITED STATES Holocaust Museum" when it administers the story of "Jews" during World War II to the exclusion of all else? Are every US citizen a "Jew," or are "Jews" just the most important to consider?
IS every US citizen a "Jew," or are "Jews" just the most important to consider when considering history's many holocausts?
If it didn't happen, somebody better tell the history channel.
Benjamin Freedman is no longer with us, but he said some VERY INTERESTING things. He converted to Catholicism late in life. I guess he would fall into the "sinful" category of the "self-hating Jew," seeing as one cannot change their ethnic background - except maybe Michael Jackson. But who knows WHAT he is supposed to be?
For "Jews," criticism = "hate."
Otherwise known as the Hysterectomy Channel.
Violinmangler wrote: "We really have to have moderators, LCD. Ones that would filter out any Nazi garbage."
How about one to filter out "Jewish" garbage? It's only fair...
The Widow's Son wrote: "Anyone who says Jews lie, doesn't know anything about the Jewish people. And should shut the fuck up."
Oh, so just because the 9th commandment forbids giving false testimony against one's "neighbor" means that "Jews" never ignore the commandment for any reason. Your ignorance just shines. I think we need to examine what the word "neighbor" really means to the "Jew."
Garbage in, garbage out.
Ask any undertaker, it takes 1 liter of fuel and 20 minutes to cremate just ONE body.
So, let's do the math, kids! There are 1,440 minutes in one day. That would mean a disposal of a maximum of 72 persons with just one crematorium. (Most internment camps only had one crematorium, and only for purposes of sanitation and disease control BTW.) So, now we have a yearly total of 26,280 people in just one camp with one crematorium and not a minute wasted. In five years this amounts to 131,400 cremated bodies. Even if the camps had as many as 3 crematoria, this number would only increase to 394,200 cremated bodies, with not one idle minute or even so much as a breakdown of the equipment. Now, there's a miracle!
Let us assume that the Germans had 10 fully operable so-called "death camps" or "extermination camps." That is not the case, but for the sake of argument, in 5 years of non-stop cremation using 3 crematoria per "death camp," that would give us a grand total of just 3,942,000 for all camps. It was long alleged that Auschwitz alone killed 4,000,000 "Jews." Needless to say, that number has since been drastically revised.
Assuming 3,942,000 "Jews" were disposed of in this manner, how is it that there are SO MANY "survivors?" And what of wartime fuel shortages?
The "enormity" of the Holocaust(TM), so it seems, is a hollow cause.
"Trust me, whoever will nuke the Nazis away (very soon) won't be the slightest (bit) proud. On the contrary, they'll be disgusted that they had to deal with vicious creatures who have a sheet of cold iron where the heart should be."
The same goes for the Zionists in the Israeli state, I guess. Where's the love there, Violinmauler? Or maybe they'll nuke themselves - with THEIR OWN BOMBS.
Violinmauler... That's almost like Violin Mahler.
"You've got to be a dumbass if you think the holocaust didn't happen. C'mon there's more proof of that than you can shake a stick at."
Show me some, Lizzy. Let's say I am a dumbass, but one that really wants to believe in the "enormity" of it all. Make it good, now.
British_Bloke wrote: "Whether it was 6 million or 6 is not really relevant. The fact is it was a monumental wrong."
Does this "monumental" status stand up against the 20 million Christians slaughtered by "Jewish" Bolsheviks under Lenin? If so, why? Bear in mind that the so-called "Russian Revolution" predated even Hitler's first attempt at a putsch. Are holocausts perpetrated by "Jews" somehow exempt?
"Human" wrote on January 17, 2004: ":)I'm Jew(ish). I was born in Russia. Now I'm in (the) Israel(i state). I like both countries. I'm a loyal citizen. I was in the Israeli Army and I did see some SHIT happen in my life. My dear JEW haters, let me ask you something: DO YOU THINK ANYBODY (IS) REALLY SCARED HERE? Oh,yeah.
I think it's you."
Your nukes scare me, "Human."
From America with love.
Goy-cow.
Our nukes should scare you, "The_revisionist", and untill that hate towards jews is gone, I don't see no reason to disarm. A scared nazi remains a talking nazi, not a doing one. I think that Hitler would have been scared too if the jews had had the bomb back then. Who knows?
by yosi on Fri Feb 06, 04 3:10am
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The swastika was not just a Jewish sign. If one studies the art of the world they would find the ancient Greeks, Romans, Incas, Far Easterners and other cultures used the swastika.
"Our nukes should scare you, 'The_Revisionist,' and until hate towards Jews is gone, I see no reason to disarm. A scared Nazi remains a talking Nazi, not a doing one. I think that Hitler would have been scared too if the Jews had had the bomb back then. Who knows?"
Oh, Yosi. The only thing scary about Israeli nukes is the fact that they reside in the hands of meshuga'im.
"Hitler was a Zionist."
Indeed, he was. He wanted "Jews" out of Germany, just "Jews" want Palestinians out of the Israeli state.
"The swastika is a Jewish symbol."
The Hebrew letter alef is remarkably similar to a swastika, as "Jewish" filmmaker Henry Bean explored in his film "The Believer."
It's FAKE! No 6 million died you idiots! There were not even 6 million Jews in Europe at the time. How dumb can you people possibly be?
Yosi wrote: "A scared Nazi remains a talking Nazi, not a doing one."
Likewise, a scared "Jew" remains a nebbishy, neurotic kvetching Khazar (or Sephardi).
"I think that Hitler would have been scared too if the Jews had had the bomb back then. Who knows?"
Who knows? Perhaps Ariel Sharon too would act differently if he had a warhead up his big fat ass.
Of course, it's kosher to make fun of Hermann Goering's weight problem. So, why not Ariel Sharon?
I would deny it only insofar as it is my inalienable right as a citizen of the United States to refuse and condemn any form of state or civic religion.
Well, I don't mean to calm you down, but those Meshuga'im never used their nukes, although Israel was the only country under an existence threat while having nukes in 1973. But you should know, that if the Syrian attack had succeded or your favorite overweighted war hero, Ariel Sharon hadn't halt and crippled the egyptian army back in 73', NUKES WOULD HAVE BEEN USED. The sumple equation says - eliminating jews -> nukes, and only that. So, if you remain a talking nazi and pose no real threat to the jews, those Meshugaim won't use their nukes. By the way, if you're intrested in that, the main Meshuga - the one who build the nuclear capabilities of Israel, is Nobel peace prize winner - Shimon Peres. He is, by the way, the opposition to Sharon's government. have a good day.
by yosi on Mon Feb 09, 04 4:32am
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The Revisionist writes in answer to my comment dated Jan 27 04.
'Does this "monumental" status stand up against the 20 million Christians slaughtered by "Jewish" Bolsheviks under Lenin? If so, why? Bear in mind that the so-called "Russian Revolution" predated even Hitler's first attempt at a putsch. Are holocausts perpetrated by "Jews" somehow exempt?'
I beleive the original question asked whether "The Holocaust" happened. By this I assumed that the author of the question was refering to the validity of evidence which points to the Nazi's mass extermination of persons deemed un-German between 1932 and 1945 or whether this is a product of jewish propaganda. I did not not say that this is the only example of Genocide. In fact quite the opposite, I said that it "Ranks higher than MOST", clearly inferring it is NOT unique. I do not believe the Holocaust is a greater OR lesser evil than the Russian pograms of the 20th century, (or any other pogram, in any other country, in any other century) I was attempting to add opinion to Gagoonies inflammatory question.
It is nice to see that you have at least read my comment but saddens me to think you have not understood what I said. You have merely extracted a quote to try and imply that I am blind to other instances of mass murder. If you read my comment as a whole you will see I acknowledge this. The word 'Monumental' used in the context I intended, refers to a large, big or significant event. It does not mean there is NO other race crime. It does NOT mean that other race crimes should be disregarded. Nor does it mean we should all raise a large monument solely to the holocaust (it doesn't refer to monuments at all actually). It does demonstrate however that, although you CAN read, you choose not to comprehend what you read and instead opt to pick snippets to throw mud at. This narrow minded approach that you demonstarte is the root cause of ALL racist ignorance. A failure to see the whole picture and concentration on a small (misinterpreted) detail as the basis for your opinion.
The world is full of people. Some have more than others, most have much less. We are fortunate in the modern west that we are generally with the have mores but we are ALL just trying to scratch a living. It would be nice if we could get along without butchering each other because of our differences. It would be better if we could avoid exploiting each other to get that little bit more. It would be best, although probably unrealistic if we could go so far as to help each other out occasionally. Unfortunately While we have You and your bigotted ilk as our guiding light, this Utopia seems highly unlikely. If you are looking for examples of Race Crime read your own history (assuming you are American). We British are not without guilt when it comes to brutality and exploitation either. I've studied my country's history and am appauled at the depths the British sank to build an Empire, but then I don't sit here advocating that the mass murder perpetrated on the peoples deemed non-Arian 'untermensch' during the Nazi era is OK because Stalin's crime was bigger. Be realistic Revisionist. 1 Murder is one too many.
Are you kidding me, of course it happened!!!! Six million dead Kikes proved it happened.
Don`t listen to these Jews.They are trained and born to lie.
Who gives two fucks if the holocaust fucking happened or not.
I hope it did.
the thought of these filthy Jews being gassed gives me a woody.
The question is what do we do about the present holocaust...oh which holocaust you ask?
well
The mass genocide ,murder and torture of palestinians in the hands of the Jews.
THAT HOLOCAUST!
read Benjamin Freedman on the internet.
He is warning America about the Jews.
If they did not have real holocaust we should all get prepared to give them a real good one.
OVENS big enough to take thousands at a time.
we have 16,000,000 rats to kill.
Given that there was no "holocaust" as such until after 1967, when the term spread through the Jewish media, and given that the six-million figure is dismissed outright by respected historians, and given that gas-chamber theories are unacceptably unsupported by actual evidence, and given that the Jewish controlled media and film industry have had sixty-odd years to spread their anti-German propaganda to the world, and given that Jews were responsible for the deaths of 30 millions Russians and Ukrainians (not to mention their current treatment of the Arabs), then the Jewish victim-story is a bit shakey to say the least. Still, no doubt I'm an 'anti-Semite' (a ridiculously misapplied term, considering that most Jews are not biologically of Semitic origin - unlike the Palestinians). Well, it's hardly surprising to hear Jewish lobby groups resort to name-calling tactics - they've got nothing else going for them!
by Had_enough_Zionism on Dec 15, 2003
If 'the Jews' really "controlled the whole media" as y'all keep saying, then all you fat TV-watching couch-sitters wouldn't talk this way. Stop being such haters, shame on you all, get some hobbies or something. Do you really need a group to pick on, do you have to classify everyone in the world, blame a whole religion for all your stupidity problems, are you all retarded?
by x__ on Mon Feb 16, 04 11:41am
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oh yer it was a fake. please some one lock this cunt up.
Guest_93c4c: As the Allied forces got closer, evacuation of the camp was begun. Orders were given to destroy the camp so that no traces of its existence would remain. According to many eye witnesses at the camp, five to six gratings were set up on the ground. The grates, which consisted of iron rails, were supported by cement posts about two feet above the ground. A grate like that was 33 ft. long and 13 ft. wide. A fire was started underneath. Bodies were layered on the burning grate with an excavator machine. Once the bodies caught fire they would continue burning by themselves. The ashes that remained after the burning were thrown back into the pits where the bodies had been dug out earlier. Sweet-peas were sown over the top and trees brought over from the forest were planted to camouflage the site. A farm was built on the Treblinka site and it was offered to a Ukrainian to run it for income. Visitors to Treblinka today find there lies a memorial for the victims in the middle of an open field. When Treblinka was "checked", they inspected the area where the memorial stands, with the assumption that the mass grave was there. According to numerous eye witnesses, that is not it's location.
Also, it's interesting that the man who headed this "scientific analysis" was Richard Krege...he and his team is associated with and funded by the Adelaide Institute, a south Australia revisionist group headed by German born revisionist Dr. Frederick Toben, who couldn't join Krege at Treblinka for the inspection because he was incarcerated at the time... Needless to say, a person with a revisionist preset agenda is going to "discover" what they want to.
I will take the word of the survivors over a speculative revisionist investigator any day.
870,000 people went into Treblinka, less than one hundred survivors came out.
870,000 people went into Treblinka... less than one hundred survivors came out.
Treblinka, One of hundreds!
this is as stupid as saying we never invade iraq....get a life gagoonies
Open up the case again! If it is real, then why is it a "hate crime" to ask for a new body count?
The number of victims was so enormous that the nazis had to burn them down in crematoriums.
The most convincing fact, to me, and the saddest one is that Israel would'nt have been established if it hadn't been for the holocaust's many victims.
Poll rated as worst. Again, this is highly offensive and should be deleted from this website according to its official rules.
by pRn on Tue Mar 16, 04 7:49pm
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In most democratic countries, the revisionism and the negationism are crimes. Their authors can be sent in jail.
by pRn on Tue Mar 16, 04 7:59pm
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What's this quote ? Where does it come from ? How are you sure that what you refer to hasn't been recorded on the old film support used in the cinema at its beginning. It can have been saved on a more resistant tape from the film format just after 1947-48 when the magnetic videotape precursor technology has been invented.
You are a lame propagandist !
by pRn on Thu Mar 18, 04 10:52am
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There is a difference between free speech and dangerous speech.
Opinion ? You can think what you want. Speech ? It depends if it causes a trouble.
I live in a democratic country, and I give you a non-exhaustive list of things that you can't say or do publicly here :
- negationism (the Loi Gayssot, concerning all crimes against humanity, the Shoah and others),
- revisionism is assimilated to an act, not an opinion (in USA it's an opinion),
- racist slandering,
- encourage to hatred, and violence,
- encourage to commit crime(s),
- commit calumny, and slander,
- insult publicly,
- broadcast messages of a pornographic or violent nature to children,
- disclose personal informations belonging to the private life domain,
- disclose information or data protected by the defence secret, or by trade secrets, or which are kept protected until a long period has expired (like information about the health of governants),
- disclose certain informations of judicial nature (for example: to protect investigations),
- etc.
My opinion it that all of these rules are reasonable. You can't say anything without your responsibility to be engaged.
by pRn on Thu Mar 18, 04 4:26pm
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> Guest_b5cc8 : what I say is not directed to you personally, but is intended to inform people that such rules exist in most of our democratic countries.
Thank you for the poll reference.
by pRn on Thu Mar 18, 04 4:53pm
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No question it did. The evidence is overwhelming. I think the people that attempt to discredit the Holocaust share many of the same views as Hitler and their conscience forces them into a state of denial so they won't feel amoral for believing what they do.
Definately not 6 million who died, maybe some thousands.
Voted : 6 million died you ,you nazi
Of course it happened how could somebody make up such a story. And if they did were did they get all the pictures?
how can u be so sure the holocaust happened?
you all are retarted it did happened from all the suvivors so you need to get a life and stop being stupid
As a neutral person I find it amazing how people are unsable to detatch themselves emotionally, and actually discuss this issue rationally and factually, certainly it seems that something happend, but what, how, and why are not being talked about, it is probable that the truth as always lies somewhere in between, history is written by the victors, not the vanquished, the victors also misbehaved but this has gone unnoted
Voted : 6 million died you ,you nazi
I'm the one who's related to Rudolf Hess. What's your excuse?
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