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The allies could not have been able to defeat even Germany alone, if somehow USSR would've remaind out of the war.
Yes of course we barley won that war.with out russia we probebly would have lost or might have taken longer.But hitler almost developed the Atomic bomb so imagine we had those on the battlefield it would go from a massacre to a living hell.
wow, you're an american and you think that?
by SeaN on Tue Mar 30, 04 10:10am
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Do you mean kept all the land taken up to that point? Yes, probably.
yes sean im usually open minded, exept w/ the french there all pussies.
Good question!
of course its a good question im American
The Nazi-Soviet pack wasn't an allaince. It was a promise by both sides not to attack each other that's it. The allies would of won because Hitler could not keep his hands off his Generals and he would of made a costly mistake like he did at Normandy, the battle of the bulge, and his persitince to try and capture liningrad and stalingrd.
Yes the war would of taken longer however there is no doubt in my mind that the Nazi's would of won.
Plus the likelyhood of an assasination would of risen the longer the war went on, Hitler had alot of haters.
exactly
dammit, made a erroe i was to say that i'm sure the Nazi's would of lost.
Why do you think that?
There is absoloutely no way the allies could have won without the Russians.
The Russains were important however looking at the stratefies used by the Nazi's it safe to say they would of slipped up and would of made a costly mistake such as having to have Hitler order the to attack the coast on D-Day. I just don't see the Axis powers winning this war. With or without the help of USSR.
Hitler threw 4/5ths of his army at the Russians. With that size of an army there is absoloutely no way we could have won in Africa or in any other place for that matter. It wouldn't have taken one costly mistake for the Allies to win it would have taken thousands.
Hitler's ego was too big. He would have made costly errors somewhere along the line. However, and of course this cant ever be proven but if the leadership was diffrent, just as sinister but diffrent it may have been do-able (I think)
you're an idiot as long as the war stayed in Hitler's favour as it would have done had he not invaded Russia then Hitler would not have interferred and Germany would have kicked ass.
For someone who clearly knows nothing about WW2 you are very very confident in your opinions.
No Russia survived in the early years because of the equipment the British sent and the Americans didn't dare make the Artic run we had to do it for you.
Anyway irregardless of this the bread and butter of Russia's victory were enormous manpower, you didn't give them that.
The T-34 you didn't give them T-34's and the Sturmoviks you didn't give them Sturmoviks neither.
The Germans sent 4/5 of their army to beat the Soviets without this Germany would have successfully invaded Britain and knocked us out of the war meaning that
A. You don't have a staging post for an invasion.
B.You lost a value fighting partner
C.No ultra decrypts.
4.No-one to blow Norsk to shit which meant that they would have got the atomic bomb before you and given by late 44 they had a plane with stealth that flew over New York that could comfortably hold an atomic bomb that you would have been shit out of luck.
And if you think the world isn't still suffering today then you are an even bigger idiot just look at the middle east.
VERY good answer, although we would have got 1 BEFORE them they would have dropped it on New York and instead of Hiroshima & Nagashakiy {cant spell it} we would have used it on Germany and Russia over and over again intill half the fuckin world was destroyed so it was a great thing Hitler was retarded.
hahsh
Hitler only had one testicle. How could anyone with one testicle win WWII?
American_Boy
No,No you wouldn't have, I thought I just explained why.
Anyway youknow fuck all about WW2 so stop posting you retarded virgin.
Even without russia, Hitler was a horrible tactician. By the time we entered the conflict(US) he had already murdered half of his best military strategists. The US war machine would still have swept across western europe to defeat the nazi scum. In any case the Ruskies most definately wouldn't have fought along side hitler anyway, the idealogy of fascism and communism don't work very well together. Stalin only signed that non-aggression pact with the nazis to buy himself some more time before they butted heads. It prolly would have been a much longer war, but I believe we still would have gotten the BOMB first and maybe would have used it on germany aswell.
1. You believe wrongly.
2. You could have won the war without Britain and Russia.
So America would have been able to cope with an army roughly five times bigger than America, Brits, Canadians, Aussies, Polish etc. combined.
Without the assistance of the RAF or indeed no where to base your planes.
No Ultra intel which shortened the war by two years.
No Royal Navy assistance in the Atlantic.
Non of the exceptional work of Garbo and M15's superb performance in convincing Hitler and most of his command that the invasion was coming at Calais.
Without the British forces alone it is likely that the D-Day landings would not have succeeded.
Not to mention the land campaign after that where by drawing the great majority of German Army on to us allowed to break out.
And then we captured Antwerp and contributed considerably to the land campaign.
Against you would have been superior tanks, superior troops, superior guns and superior planes (your P51's would not have had merlin engines) and and against an airforce with total air superiority.
And you believe you would have won.
There is often heated debates as to whether as something as small in comparison to what your speculating like what if Hitler had woken up earlier on D-Day or he had had more forces in Normandy or Von Lucks panzers had broken through at Pegasus Bridge and then destroyed the Omaha bridgehead.
And you believe that facing five times the numbers that were actually faced by the Western allies with inferior planes, inferior tanks, inferior guns.
Inferior everything with no Ultra decrypts, no naval assistance from the Royal Navy in the channel or the Atlantic, no assistance from the RAF, no where to build up supplies for an invasion, no where to base your planes cept on carriers. No PLUTO. No deception plans courtesy of the masters and you believe you would have won.
You're so stupid that you're beyond redemption.
Anyone who holds that opinion just really really really does know what they are talking about.
Yes you are wrong that Britain would have folded without America.
Could the War have been won without the Americans?
I don't know.
I'd need more information on how much material came to Britain for British production.
It would have been won without the US forces. I have no doubts whatsoever.
But I don't know whether it could have been won without American supplies, I'd need to know how much material from America was used in actual British military industrial production.
And it's fucking hard to get those kind of specific figures, not to mention if we hadn't got them from America then we could have got them somewhere else. We had many sources of food, so they wern't vital, a source of oil. We manuactured our own steel, so on the face of it, Yeah. It probably could have.
Hitler would have taken Europe out. England was the only thing stopping him. He had Italy as an ally. He had the Japanese in the Pacific keeping China at bay and he had Britain down to a shred. The country was devistated by the constant air raids. Even Churchill was getting ready to admit defeat. But the American's got pulled in and along with pockets of resistance throughout Europe England was able to fight back. They had been ready to become stronger but unable due to the massive losses. The codebreakers were without a doubt a huge help.
America couldn't have won the war without england and England would have lost without America. Germany would have won had he not invaded Russia.
Imagine WWII if it had been: Germany, Russia, Italy, Japan
vs. America/England/Canada/pockets of resistance throughout the world.
Russia would NOT have allied itself with Germany fully. Joe Stalin was almost as big a nutjob as Old Schicklgruber himself, and trusted NO ONE. He would've waited until Germany was weakest before launching an invasion of its own.
Hitler wanted to conquer the world, so I don't see him leaving the USSR alone forever. Besides if he took over Europe, Africa, and Asia don't you think the Russians would start getting a little paranoid. However, without the Russians the war would have been much more difficult for the allies.
probably
by USMC on Thu Oct 21, 04 5:32am
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Not unless they figured out how to supply their troops better than they did.
Hitler and Stalin, playing swingball in the back yard of a Cheshire mansion, orange juice on the table... smell of bullshi tin the air...
if he did that before America got the attomic bomb its possible but if Hitler did cnquer russa we still could have bombed Russia and Germany.
by seon on Sat Jan 01, 05 5:56pm
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as far as britain geeting materials from usa , if we didnt get it from them we would have got it from other countries
if he did that before America got the attomic bomb its possible but if Hitler did cnquer russa we still could have bombed Russia and Germany.
by seon on Jan 01, 2005
Germany almost did have its own bomb, it probably would have got it before the US had British commandos and some Norweigen volunteers not blown up all their heavy water. It also by 1944 had the capability to bomb American. A prototype of this plane actually flew over America in December 1944.
Russia would NOT have allied itself with Germany fully. Joe Stalin was almost as big a nutjob as Old Schicklgruber himself, and trusted NO ONE. He would've waited until Germany was weakest before launching an invasion of its own.
by Truthseeker013 on Aug 22, 2004
I agree with that. We could question the question but as its hypothetical then my opinion remains the same. The war could not have been won without Russia
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