FOR THOSE THAT BELIEVE THE BERG VIDEO IS A HOAX. WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THIS?

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FOR THOSE THAT BELIEVE THE BERG VIDEO IS A HOAX. WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THIS?


[+] ballot by Jinn_the_Kafir
created Mon May 24, 04

What factual information, proof, and evidence is there to support this belief? Keep in mind that Nick Berg's head and body were found, so we certainly know the poor man was murdered.

No hard evidence, just my opinion
I'm an expert on video recordings, it's a hoax
I was there, of course I know it was faked
I've seen a hundred beheadings, I know
I'm an expert on decapitaion, it's a hoax
Islamic terrorists would never commit such an atrocity
I've seen CIA training manual of how to fake a beheading
No human would ever really do such a thing
It's real and all evidence is conveniently buried
It's fake. Deal with it.


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I posted this on another one.

Arab linguists have said the man posing as the Jordanian Zaraqawi did not speak with a Jordanian dialect. Others have suggested the man reading the written statement may not have been a native speaker of Arabic.
 
Zaraqawi was missing one leg and had been outfitted with an artificial leg that did not fit or function properly. He was unable to walk or stand normally with his ill-fitting limb. No man in the group showed evidence of such an infirmity.
 
Numerous indigenous sources have said Zaraqawi was killed by a US helicopter attack months ago when he was unable to move quickly enough to escape the targeted house. While others managed to exit the house in time to survive, he died in the collapsed building.
 
As any surgeon will testify, the alleged beheading was a fake. A beheading would result in a tremendous amount of spurting blood. There would have been blood everywhere had an actual beheading taken place. When the executioner holds up Berg's head immediately following what is represented as an actual decapitation of a living person, there is no significant blood flow from the neck or blood splatters showing anywhere on the executioner. Furthermore, the cut was simply too neat to have been done crudely and with such amazing speed by a man wielding a knife. Anybody who has ever carved a turkey knows there is something wrong with the supposed beheading. The suspended head looks more like Berg had been neatly beheaded by a guillotine.
 
The orange jumpsuit was standard US military issue to men in custody. It is unlikely Berg would have continuing wearing a US custodial uniform if he had been released by the military as they claim. The fact he was still wearing the suit is both anomalous and suggestive. One is forced to speculate as to whether there was an immediate transfer of Berg from the US military to unknown persons, thusly preventing Berg from discarding his US prison garb.
 
Several of the men in the film were fat by Iraqi standards. If they were Feyadeen or mujahadeen, they probably have been living underground since the first days of the occupation. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been shown on news stories as they have marched and demonstrated. One would be hard pressed to point out a single fat man among these thousands.
 
Some men had what can only be described as pasty-white hands. Once again, one would be hard pressed to find Arab men with pasty-white hands.
 
The lack of spurting blood suggests Berg was already dead at the time of the alleged decapitation. It is possible Berg's dead body was displayed with his head already partially or totally severed. In any case, he almost certainly was killed before the staged beheading. If so, it suggests the captors had no stomach for an actual beheading of a living person, and they opted to fulfill their assignment quietly and with the least amount of gore.
 
The scream that is heard has been interpreted as a woman's scream by many viewers. Videotape cognoscenti have further said the scream was amateurishly added to the tape.
 
The U.S. government translation of one statement made on the film is: "Does al Qaeda need any further excuses?" This is a falsification. The actual statement urged fellow insurgents to get off their hind ends and do something. One assumes the translator being used by the US military is a native speaker of Arabic, so this cannot be explained as an innocent flub. This suggests the US government wanted to inject an alleged al- Qaeda group into the murder of Nick Berg.
 
Iraqis who have seen the videotape on Arabic news broadcasts are universally saying the men in the film are not Iraqis. Are they saying this partly because the speaker does not employ an Iraqi dialect? Where does their certainty come from?
 
Firearms experts have stated the AK-47 carried by one man was a "Gilal." This actually is an Israeli-made weapon that improves on the famous AK- 47. Feyadeen and other insurgents almost universally use AK-47s.
 
The man in the videotape who is purported to be Zarqawi is wearing a gold ring. This is absolutely proscribed by Islamic law.
 
The US military has stated that Berg was never in US custody and that he had been in custody of the Iraqi police. The Iraqi police adamantly deny he was ever in their custody. On April 1, an e-mail from Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer in Iraq, was sent to the family of Nick Berg. It stated that Ms. Payne had located Nick, and he was currently in custody of the US military. We have to conclude that either the email was bogus or the US military has been lying.
 
The chair that Berg was seated in during the filming was a standard issue military chair of the exact same kind as seen in a color photo taken at the Abu Ghraib Prison. The chances a terrorist cell would be using this same chair are minimal at best.
by American_Boy on Mon May 24, 04 11:14am [+]

That comment was taken from ''bigmonkeynuts'' and the berg video is 100% fake.
by American_Boy on Mon May 24, 04 11:15am [+]

I don't think the video itself is fake.

I do believe that he was already dead, probably drugged when he was beheaded, but I think the five masked men in the film (and the one guy with the U.S. military hat who pokes his head in for a few frames) were some guilt motherf**kers in the Abu Grhaib prisoner abuse scandal and did this amateur Psy-Op to divert attention from their crimes.

The only thing that Al-Qaeda could produce so far are barely audible cassette recordings delivered to Al Jazeera and 19 dunces with box cutters.
by Stewie on Mon May 24, 04 12:02pm [+]

Because the terrorists are saints who would never stoop so low as to intentionally kill another human being. Whereas the american government is made up of nazis who would do anything to justify stealing oil and killing brown people. /typical liberal douchebag logic.
by herzog on Mon May 24, 04 3:32pm [+]

Well, herZOG the American government did pay for a load of Nazis to head their sapce programme and other things at the end of the war. It was called Project Paperclip. Plus if you look at America's recent policies they are surprisingly like the policies of the Nazis during the Second World War. Civil liberties are being curtailed by the Patriot Act, America is committing troops abroad because a dictator (who bought weapons from America in the past) might seek to make some weapons in the future, foreign people are held without charge, contravening the Geneva Conventions in Gitmo and dissent among the population is now being portrayed as unpatriotic and dangerous. Yeah. America is full of Nazis. They are destroying America.
by cretin_slap on Wed May 26, 04 5:19am [+]

Ha! Ah creTIN, your posts always make for a good laugh. The US took 'germans' out of german following the war, they weren't politicians just scientists. They spent the entire war building missles, not killing jews. Nice try, although I'm not sure what that has to do with nick berg.

And fortunately our policies are nothing like the nazis, or every liberal douchebag who ever participated in a protest would have 'disapeared' by now. I keep telling myself that this is a bad thing, but people like you make it harder and harder. I don't know what your leftwing propaganda sheets which you laughingly call newspapers have been saying, but we haven't lost all of our civil rights. We aren't a dictatorship, we aren't being dragged off to concentration camps, etc etc.

Enemy combatants are held without charge, these are essentially POWs, except that they fight for an organization rather than a country. They'll be released when the war is over, as is custom with prisoners of war.
by herzog on Wed May 26, 04 11:19am [+]

Keep laughing, herZOG.
by cretin_slap on Wed May 26, 04 12:28pm [+]

The Geneva Convention is dated, and adhering to it only makes sense when both sides follow it. It was designed for war between civilized people. Not the animals that we face now.
by NE0 on Thu May 27, 04 4:55pm [+]

Bush, Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz and all their little Al Quaeda puppets in the middle east.
Animals.
by cretin_slap on Thu Jun 03, 04 5:50am [+]

Herzog
The only way that governments were able to continue their barbaric practices of genocide,concentration camps and the rest was to find a way to do it under peoples noses and get away with it.It had to be obscured somehow
The y found a way to do that Its called BIO-PSYCHIATRY.
It is practiced predominatly behind the scenes and general public knows nothing about it
i suggest you begin an investigation of this evil religion and practice to understand what Governments are all about
by bigmonkeynuts on Fri Jun 04, 04 6:16am [+]






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