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WHICH DO YOU PREFER? RONALD REAGAN THE ACTOR, OR RONALD REAGAN THE PRESIDENT?

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WHICH DO YOU PREFER? RONALD REAGAN THE ACTOR, OR RONALD REAGAN THE PRESIDENT?


[+] ballot by mojo
created Thu Jun 10, 04

Personally, I think some of his films are charming. Turner Movie Classics is doing a retrospective.

the President
the Actor
Prefer Him DEAD!
both as actor and president
the Deceased


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I can't believe all of you have forgotten how bad he was. Geez, he bankrupted the nation, there was barely any job growth, interest rates as high as 16 percent, tax cuts for the rich, massive layoffs, billions poured down a rat hole named "star wars".

Commited treason as commander in chief of the armed forces by selling arms to an avowed enemy of America, in direct violation of a Congressional ban on such sales, lying under oath during his deposition into Iran/Contra, forcing George Bush Sr. to PARDON Caspar Weinberger and others involved in the Iran/Contra scandal (Pardons Are For Criminals).

Caused the loss of the space shuttle and it's crew because he wanted to make a speech about a "teacher in space" AFTER the launch to promote his education program. The shuttle was launched in freezing cold weather and was covered in ice. NASA was pressured by the White House to launch under horrible conditions so Reagan could make his "made for the media" speech.

Relaxed banking laws which led to the Saving And Loans disaster which ended up with the taxpayers paying Billions to bail out the industry.

Megermania, unrestricted predatory mergers where big companies bought up little companies that were competators to eliminate competition, and then laying off all those people.

Contronted a national rise in teenage drug use with a lame "Just Say No" to drugs program.

Made Presidental decisions based on advice from Nancy who got her info from Astrologers!

Refused to spend money on AIDS research which made the disease more widespread in the U.S. than it should have been.

Laid a ceremonial wreath at a monument to Nazi SS Troops in Bitburg, Germany, thus insulting all U.S. men and women in our military who fought and died in World War II.

Took false credit for the demise of the Soviet Union claiming his increased military spending was the reason for it. HOGWASH! Then how come it didn't bring about the demise of Communism in China, Cuba, North Korea, etc. Duh! Just spending money won't bring down and empire.

Reagan was a lousy actor and a horrible president.
by Grapost on Fri Jun 11, 04 9:26am [+]

Iran-Contra Prosecutions

In the course of Independent Counsel's investigation, 14 persons were charged with criminal violations.
There were two broad classes of crimes charged:

Operational crimes, which largely concerned the illegal use of funds generated in the course of the operations, and
Cover-up crimes, which largely concerned false statements and obstructions after the revelation of the operations.
Independent Counsel did not charge violations of the Arms Export Control Act or Boland Amendment.
Although apparent violations of these statutes provided the impetus for the cover-up, they are not criminal
statutes and do not contain any enforcement provisions.

All of the individuals charged were convicted, except for one CIA official whose case
was dismissed on national security grounds and two officials who received
unprecedented pre-trial pardons by President Bush following his electoral defeat in 1992.

Two of the convictions were reversed on appeal on constitutional grounds that in no way cast doubt
on the factual guilt of the men convicted. The individuals charged and the disposition of their cases are:

(1) Robert C. McFarlane: pleaded guilty to four counts of withholding information from Congress;
pardoned before trial by President Bush;

(2) Oliver L. North: convicted of altering and destroying documents, accepting an illegal gratuity,
and aiding and abetting in the obstruction of Congress; conviction reversed on appeal;

(3) John M. Poindexter: convicted of conspiracy, false statements, destruction and removal of records,
and obstruction of Congress; conviction reversed on appeal;

4) Richard V. Secord: pleaded guilty to making false statements to Congress;

(5) Albert Hakim: pleaded guilty to supplementing the salary of North;

(6) Thomas G. Clines: convicted of four counts of tax-related offenses for failing to report income from the operations;

(7) Carl R. Channell: pleaded guilty to conspiracy to defraud the United States;

(8) Richard R. Miller: pleaded guilty to conspiracy to defraud the United States;

(9) Clair E. George: convicted of false statements and perjury before Congress;
pardoned before trial by President Bush;

(10) Duane R. Clarridge: indicted on seven counts of perjury and false statements;
pardoned before trial by President Bush;

That means he knew something that would've put Bush in prison.

11) Alan D. Fiers, Jr.: pleaded guilty to withholding information from Congress;
pardoned before trial by President Bush;

(12) Joseph F. Fernandez: indicted on four counts of obstruction and false statements;
case dismissed when Attorney General Richard L. Thornburgh refused to declassify
information needed for his defense; Thornburgh was APPOINTED by Bush, so if he refused to allow a trial,
Fernandez must;ve known something that would've put Bush in prison.

(13) Elliott Abrams: pleaded guilty to withholding information from Congress;
pardoned before trial by President Bush;

(14) Caspar W. Weinberger: charged with four counts of false statements and perjury;
pardoned before trial by President Bush.

...because he publically stated he WOULD NOT go to prison for Iran-Contra.

At the time President Bush pardoned Weinberger and Clarridge,
he also pardoned George, Fiers, Abrams, and McFarlane.

...proving that each of these men had information that would've put Bush in prison.

THERE WERE NO WHITEWATER CONVICTIONS DURING THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION!
by Grapost on Fri Jun 11, 04 9:26am [+]

Partial Reagan Administration Crook List

Corruption ran rampant in the Ronald Reagan administration. This corruption was spread out in many government agencies. In the Department of Commerce, James Watt was a fiercely anti-environmentalist who protested federal control over the rich mineral and timber resources in the western states. Additionally, Watt set out to cripple the EPA and to permit oil drilling in scenic areas.

After telling an off-color ethnic joke in 1983, Watt was forced to resign. He described members of a federal advisory panel as "a black ... a woman, two Jews, and a cripple."

While in the Reagan administration, Secretary of Interior Watt was indicted on 41 felony charges for using his HUD connections to help his clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he intervened. He also was given $100,000 for a project in Puerto Rico.

Testifying before a House committee Watt said, "That's what they offered, and it sounded like a lot of money to me, and we settled on it." After over ten years of investigation, Watt was sentenced to five years of probation and 500 hours of community service for withholding documents from a grand jury which investigated HUD in March 1996.

Corruption spread to the EPA. Anne Burford, who headed the superfund of the EPA, resigned after she bent environmental regulations for dozens of industrial polluters.

One of Burford's subordinates, Rita Lavelle, headed the EPA's toxic waste clean-up program. She was indicted and served three months in a federal penitentiary for lying to Congress. She was able to clean up only a small handful of the nation's thousands of toxic waste sites.

In addition, EPA administrator, John W. Hernandez, resigned after his staff disclosed that he illegally allowed Dow Chemicals to review a report which named it a dioxin polluter.

Assistant EPA administrator John Horton was dismissed for using government employees for private business. Matthew Novick, EPA Inspector General, was fired after he used government officials to work on private business.

Theodore Olson, Assistant Attorney General of the United States, was under investigation for obstructing justice in the investigation of the EPA.

EPA General Counsel Robert Perry resigned after improper participation in a settlement which involved a former employer.

John Tudhunter, assistant EPA administrator, resigned after being accused of meeting privately with chemical company lobbyists. Additionally, the Reagan administration sold and leased billions of dollars worth of coal and oil reserves, timber lands, and mineral reserves.

In addition, Reagan tampered with environmental laws in his crusade to bolster corporate profits. These included the effect which factory pollutants, originating in upper state New York, had on destroying Canadian forests, rivers, and streams.

White House chief of staff Michael Deaver always denied Canada's allegations that sulfides from New York factories caused any harm to the environment. However, when Deaver left the White House, he immediately lobbied on behalf of foreign countries, in violation of The Ethics in Government Act which prohibits anyone for lobbying for one year after leaving a White House post.

Deaver immediately he went to work for the Canadian government, being paid $105,000 to lobby for compensation from the United States for damage inflicted on Canadian territory from acid rain. Deaver also received $250,000 from Daewoo, a South Korean steel corporation, to market its product in the United States.

Other foreign lobbyists included Ed Rollins, a member of Dole's campaign committee in 1995, and former RNC
Chairman Frank Fahrenkopf, were on the payroll as lobbyists for Taiwan. By the time Reagan left the White House and the smoke had cleared, a laundry list of government upper management officials had surfaced.

Some of them included: Anne Burford, Rita Lavelle, James Watt, and Michael Deaver, Richard Allen, National Security adviser, who resigned amid controversy over a $1,000 honorarium after arranging an interview with Nancy Reagan.

James Beggs, chief administrator at NASA, who was indicted for defrauding the government while an executive at General Dynamics.

Guy Flake, Deputy Secretary of Commerce, who resigned after allegations of a conflict of interest in contract negotiations.

Louis Glutfrida, director of Federal Emergency Management Agency, who resigned amid allegations of misuse of government property.

Edwin Gray, chairman of Federal Home Loan Bank, who was charged with illegally repaying himself and his wife $26,000 in travel costs.

Max Hugel, CIA chief of covert operations, who resigned after allegations of fraudulent financial dealings.
Carlos Campbell, Assistant Secretary of Commerce, who resigned after charges of awarding grants to his friends' firms.

Raymond Donovan, Secretary of Labor, who was indicted for defrauding the New York City Transit Authority of $7.4 million.

John Fedders, chief of enforcement for the Securities and Exchange Commission, who resigned after charges of wife-beating.

Arthur Hayes, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, who resigned after being under investigation for illegal travel reimbursements.

J. Lynn Helms, chief of the Federal Aviation Administration, who resigned after a grand jury investigated illegal business activities.

Marjory Mecklenburg, Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Resources, resigned after allegations of irregularities on her travel vouchers.

Edwin Meese, Attorney General, was under investigation by a special prosecutor for his role in helping Wedtech Corporation.

Robert Nimmo, head of Veterans Administration, who resigned when a report criticized him for improper use of government funds.

Lyn Nofziger, White House aide, who was under investigation for his role in helping Wedtech Corporation.

J. William Petro, a United States attorney, who was fired and fined for tipping off an acquaintance about a forthcoming grand jury indictment.

Thomas C. Reed, White House counselor and National Security Council adviser, who resigned and paid a $427,000 fine for stock market insider trade information.

Emanuel Savas, Assistant Secretary of HUD, who resigned after he had assigned staff members to work on a book he was writing.

Peter Voss, Postal Service governor, who pleaded guilty to charges of expense account fraud and to accepting kickbacks.

Charles Wick, director of the United States Information Agency (USIA), who was accused of taping conversations with public officials without their approval.

In addition, charges were brought against several high level officials in regard to Iran-contra. Those included:

National Security Council advisers Robert McFarlane and John Poindexter
Secretary of Defense Casper Weinberger
Deputy Secretary of State Elliot Abrams
Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council
Major Richard Secord of the National Security Council
Deputy Assistant to the President Jonathan Miller
CIA officials:
* Albert Fiers
* Thomas Clines
* CIA chief William Casey died before he was indicted.
* Clair George
* Richard Miller
* Albert Hakim
* Carl Channell
by Grapost on Fri Jun 11, 04 9:27am [+]

Actors should stay the Hell outta politics! They are designed to sell lies with a straight face. Beware an actor in politics.
by xxxxxxxx on Thu Sep 30, 04 11:26pm [+]

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