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His actions have shown who he truly serves, for those who buy into the blind rhetoric that he is a godly man you should read up mor ein your bibles to see what it really says and not what GWB says it says.
NHBman,I feel for you but I now know that you are a brave person for you admitted that you helped put that shit-bag in office. Brave step.
Hell no Bush is no Christian, and if any Christian says that he is serving that faith well, they too are out of touch with reality. I am not religous but I am sure the Bible does not condone what is going on at the hands of our fearless leader. He is a liar, a cheat, a crook, a murderer and a slave to money, and I don't believe that is Christian.
he's mocking real Christians
by x__ on Tue Jun 22, 04 3:39pm
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He lies, murders and misleads, sounds christian to me.
What's sad is that people associate people like him with Christianity, not realizing that what he represents is almost the complete opposite of what Christ taught. Bush gives Christ and Christianity bad press.
*Warning...Conservative opinion approaching*
Dubs is certainly an ideological president. By virtue of his office and his own faith, I believe he feels vindicated to tailor his leadership in this vein. He has a vision (post-presidency of course) that the U.S. will permanently adopt tax cuts and democracy will replace Islamist regimes in the Middle East. I don't think we should bash him for these sound policies. He's not a master articulator and that has hurt him the last 4 years. He peppers many of his speeches with Christian undertones, but in case we've all forgotten, the U.S. has always been rooted in the Christian tradition. God was name-dropped far often and more overtly in more pious times by Presidents of the 19th and even 20th centuries. If you want to be cynical, you can also point to the 4 million Christian conservatives who did not vote in the 2000 election as his reasoning for making such appeals, but I think it's really unfair to claim he's a hypocrite or trying to lay down a new precedent of mixing Church and State.
His stem-cell stance and gay-marriage ammendment stances are questionable, but I think even he realizes he won't be able to push those through. Popular opinion is against him and like I said, 4 million Christian Conservatives didn't vote in 2000...they would have made the controversy over his election a moot point.
Some of you may hate or detest religion and the many wars that have started over it. But don't delude yourselves into thinking that our government is in danger of relinquishing its secular tradition. Unlike many countries, we know how to seperate the two.
He may think he's a Christian, but his actions show that he's at best a misguided Christian, for points already stated by Duckhead and Donny.
"He may think he's a Christian, but his actions show that he's at best a misguided Christian, for points already stated by Duckhead and Donny."-597cc
OK Duck, Donny and 597cc, as far as I'm concerned, you're just spinning wheels. You don't buy his Christianity? Build the case. Cite comments, policy and the Bible if you have to, don't take for granted that you're right. Just cuz B&W is nirvana for Bush-hatred doesn't mean anything should be assumed.
A big part of Christian dogma is about forgiveness. Jesus reportedly said that you should turn the other cheek and love your enemy. Bush's pre-emptive war policy and adventures in Iraq can be interpreted as revenge and hatred. What the fuck are you on, supposable thumbs?
The only true thing about Bush is that he is a true NUT...
"Bush's pre-emptive war policy and adventures in Iraq can be interpreted as revenge" -preachin_crap
revenge (n): The act of taking vengeance for injuries or wrongs; retaliation.
How can pre-emption constitute revenge? If you pre-empt something, you've acted first, guv'nor. Proves yet again, that Bush is capable of all things to all people who hate him.
I repeat.. he is mocking Christians and Christianity, and using it. Go look at his eyes then come back and tell how nobel and godly he is. Convince me man, I'm looking for hope.
by x__ on Thu Jun 24, 04 12:47pm
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cretin_slap is correct in the way he used pre-emptive and revenge. Bush's view was that it was pre-emptive against terrorism. But it was partially revenge, as soon as he was in office he wanted to find reasons to invade Iraq.
And as far as being Christian. How much blood (other then his own) was on his hands? None! How much on Bush's? Thousands. If I am not mistaken Jesus was humble correct? Is Bush, no! He steps on the little people to increase his own and his friends in the oil businesses wealth. That doesn't sound Chritian to me. Did Jesus lie often? Nope! Does Bush? Yep! He lied about Iraq having WMD (Rummy even said thehy knew right where they were at) He lied about what he believes in aborition (in TX he used to be pro-choice but that lost him the Christian votes so he changed it the following election year)That doesn't sound Chritian to me, Hell, he didn't even stand up for what he believed in. He said that he served his full service term in the military, funny how nobody can verify that. He is a greedy, lying murderer. Sounds Christian to me.
my second paragraph starting point is referring to Jesus whit the blood on the hands (sorry yall)
If Bush didn't have a chance to prepare, do you honestly think he could tell you who 4 characters from the Bible excluding David, Goliath, Jesus, Mary, Noah and Satan.
Thanks Duckhead. I should be more careful, though. Bush's insistence that there was a connection between secular Saddam and Muslim bin Laden, while baffling, does tend to suggest he might want revenge on Saddam for 9/11. Pre-emption has come to mean making up a load of lies about WMD in order to fuck up the middle east. That doesn't sound very Christian either. Sorry supposable thumbs but if there was a real Christian who actually followed the teachings of Jesus he or she would be doing things very different to the current pond-life that occupies the Whitehouse.
C'mon Duckhead, it sounds as if you confuse the job of president with the job of messiah. Let's face it, Jesus' life though difficult, didn't require him to make tough foreign policy decisions after 3,000 innocent people were murdered. The WWJD analogy to politics does not wash and most intelligent people don't expect it to. It takes one kind of man to assend to the tops of politics and another kind of man to assend to the right hand of the father. It doesn't neccesarily mean that one is good, the other bad, all power-hungry politicians are evil and not acting in what they believe is the best interest of the republic.
You say he lied about WMD. Bogus. The consensus among international intelligence agencies was that WMD were in Iraq. They certainly were before, and they certainly could have been moved or sold before the attack. You say he lied about abortion. People are not allowed to change their stances on issues, without it being seen as political pandering, or worse, lying? After all, these are just issues. You aren't given a foundation of beliefs at an early age that you must maintain forever. You're allowed to evolve in the way you see fit. You're allowed to listen to your constituency and find a middle ground between your values and those you choose to represent.
Sorry cretin, there's one undisbutable connection between secular Saddam and Muslim Osama. They indiscriminately murder innocents and through coercion, lead their constitutents to slaughter for their own selfish reasons. Being in the position to halt this march IS (notice I don't say 'Christian') an ethical response.
Sorry folks, Jesus is not running for president. I'm sure if he were here, he'd be turning oil into environmentally-safe alternative fuel, the homeless into investment bankers, and Las Vegas into Bethelhem. Unfortunately, here on earth, we must deal with fallible human beings as our leaders and real issues. It's so easy to characterize people as either serving evil or good, but don't let cretin_slap's fairy tale version of human nature deceive you.
"The consensus among international intelligence agencies was that WMD were in Iraq."
Where did the international community get their info? The US!
RE: abortion and changing mind, sure I agree it is okay to change you mind, but not because it cost you an election having one view, do you think it was coincidence he changed his view?
Yeah, I see a connection between Osama and Saddam...and Bush, they murder innocents!
I will agree with you on the fact that most policitians are bad, most have an agenda which does not include serving the people the best (except for maybe McCain and Ventura who I believe try to do what is best even the Ventura screwed it up)
Duckhead-
The CIA is not the only international intelligence organization. I think the Brits on this site would be insulted by the suggestion that we give them their intelligence. In the case of Saddam, it was obvious he had WMD because the US, the UK, France, Russia and Germany had all participated in arming him. After Saddam demonstrated he couldn't be trusted with weapons and sanctions were imposed, ALL COUNTRIES developed intelligence dossiers on his arsenal.
It is purely speculative to suggest Bush changed his stance on abortion for political reasons. Unless you heard him admit to this, you don't know, and to say "It cost him an election," is hyperbolic speech. Bush wasn't running for the office of abortion moral high ground. Any number of issues could have cost him that election, not to mention his age, experience, mistrust of his blue-blood background, and the real ironic reason why he lost- Texans thought he was a carpetbagging, New England liberal. Hilarious assertion now, but not in 1978 Texas.
Then you say:
"I will agree with you on the fact that most policitians are bad,"
That's nowhere near what I said. I don't believe in a pessimistic view of mankind. I'm an optimist. I believe most people are good and try to do good. Some are just morally bankrupt, incompetent or unlucky.
Reality dictates that people make mistakes and have personal shortcomings. Bush is no different. Don't expect miracles from your presidents- they are not divine. The best we can hope for is sound policy that prepares us for the future.
P.S. How 'Christian' is it to assume that someone is 'evil' because it's politically beneficial to yourself?
I did mis-read your comment about other politicians, however I still think most are crooked.
In 1978 Bush ran for congress and was defeated he was quoted in the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal as being pro-choice . When he ran again next time his stance had changed and you are saying that is a coincedence? (yeah right)
WMD: yep, we knew he HAD them because we gave them to him, however he said that he has disposed of them, and we stated that we knew he had them and knew right where they were at. We can spot a golf ball on a green from space but we couldnt keep track of these weapons because we sure couldnt find them even though we supposedly have control of almost the whole country? Is it possible he DID get rid of them? of course it is, and he may have still actually had them but we didnt know for sure, we were guessing. And we dont know what the british intel knew because no matter what happened Blair was going to kiss Bush ass and go along with him and Hans Blix even stated that he wasnt sure if they had weapons there.
RE: your "how christian is it to assume someone is evil because it's politically beneficial to yourself?"
Im not sure what you mean by that, if that question in aimed at me, I couldnt give a shit, I'm not Christian.
No, the last question was not aimed at you, just a general question rooted in observation.
Duck- you just have higher expectations that have created a more pessimistic take on politics. I don't expect pious behavior and have come to, if not accept, expect another scandal from some elected official. I judge politicians based on their policies for the future, honesty, competence and leadership abilities. I think G.W. Bush has done O.K. He has been consistent in his decisions and swift in his actions. Is he pure like angels and innocent like children? No. But leave those kinds of expectations for the deranged.
yep, maybe I do. I would like to see someone that I beleive is truly in it for the good of his people without the aim of benefiting a certain demographic, not likely in the near future because the businesses that contribute the most to campaigns want someone that is going to help them in some way.
In my mind George W. Bush is a super-criminal. He is Satanic (deceitful, hypocritical, etc.).
Sorry cretin, there's one undisbutable connection between secular Saddam and Muslim Osama. They indiscriminately murder innocents and through coercion, lead their constitutents to slaughter for their own selfish reasons. Being in the position to halt this march IS (notice I don't say 'Christian') an ethical response.
by supposablethumbs on Jun 25, 2004
That connection can be extended to Bush as well. Over 10,000 innocents have been killed in Iraq since this latest invasion. And the reasons for the invasion were proven to be lies. Unless you think that Saddam really could have bombed or fired missiles at us within 45 minutes of an order to do so or that Iraq had nuclear or chemical weapons. And your supposed connection between Saddam and bin Laden is just pathetic. Give up.
I just heard on the news today that Russia has stockpiled 2.9 million warheads loaded with biological and chemical weapons. When does the invasion start?
God told me to hate you!
' God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them. He told me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem of the Middle East. I'm the commander; I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the President. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation. There will be no more protests if body bags return home. You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator'
George W Bush
Any alarm bells ringing?
A racist can not profess to be a true Christian, you should know that for yourself NHBman ~ Arrivederci!
P.S. He/She may/can profess to be, however, it is impossible being both, you know what I man NHBman? ~ Arrivederci!
Correction: man = mean.
Yes, bush is a true christain, he's a hypocrite, a drunk, a liar, and an idiot.
He is a pathetic puppet, otherwise he would have been murdered by the powers that be, like JFK.
He's using "GOD" to fool the stupid people, if you can't see that then you're one of them and you need to be sterilized or put down.
by x__ on Thu Jul 29, 04 7:53pm
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(I'd like to put aside any idea of how holy he thinks he is but Evangelists are lining up to register to vote so they can all vote for him in november. Because he's such a nobel godly dude, right? They should all be drowned)
by x__ on Thu Jul 29, 04 7:56pm
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NOBLE DAMMIT :
by x__ on Thu Jul 29, 04 9:05pm
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NHB,
It amazes me that you claim to follow the teachings of Christ, then ignore the passages that tell us not to judge another's salvation, to condemn GW.
I suppose it is fortunate for him (and others) that you are not the judge of men's souls.
Do not confuse this with judging men's actions, which is clearly different.
In any case...
Do you believe that the Enron problem began January 20, 2001 with the inauguration of GW? Isn't it more probable that a scam so large began during the Clinton Administration and simply ran its course to publicity under Bush?
Do you believe the Wolrdcom/MCI scandal also began Jan 20, 2001?
How do you respond to Bush's call for corporate abuse laws on June 29, 2002 only a couple of days after the breaking of the MCI story?
You mentioned Bush and Microsoft. What do you say about California State Atty. Gen. Bill Lockyer (D) who has received money from anti-Microsoft corporations to continue antitrust litigation? Kansas State Atty. Gen. Carla Stovall, a Republican, is also a part of the anti-Microsoft nine, having been given money by companies like Oracle and Sun to continue litigation against Microsoft. So, both Republicans and Democrats are receiving money from Microsfot's competition. Where is your condemnation for them?
Bush making money in Iraq? Where? What of the UN members who were paid off by the former Iraqi president? Where is your contempt for them?
You said:
In the past he has snorted coke, goofed off, and caused general mayhem. ...
Based upon the teaching of Christ, (my personal Savior) is GW truly reflecting the heart of what a Christian should be?
First, isn't one of the tenets of Christianity that we are _all_ sinners? That every single one of us has our secrets? Our sins? Our moments of which we would be ashamed if others knew?
Isn't it also a main concept of Christianity that despite what we _might_ have been, Christians are _forgiven_. As such, it no longer matters who we _were_, but now matters who we _are_ and who we are to become.
Bush is NOT a true christian and todays christianity is about christ and his teachings.
Why do so many people hate christians?
I like how the atheist liberals say Bush is not a true Christian.
Are you calling me an atheist liberal?
Yes, I am!
I'm not an atheist!
I am a Liberal though but in Australia.
You strange person. I didn't even get that insult.
"I am a Liberal though but in Australia."- how does that even make any sense?
Susie- sorry, my fault, i read your last comment wrong.
Anybody in Skull And Bones is not a true Christian. Those crazy sickos.
Tidbits From The Jewish Talmud:
Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").
Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals ("she-asses").
Jews are Divine, Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status, Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews, Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).
Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews, Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human, Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Abodah Zarah 67b . "The vessels of Gentiles, do they not impart a worsened flavor to the food cooked in them?"
What the hell?? CouchGnome what was all that for?
Aren't "true Christians" supposed to follow the bible, including the Ten Commandments one of which is "Thou shalt not kill"? What about "Thou shalt not bear false witness" and "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house"? As far as I know Bush goes against what the bible describes as being "a true Christian".
Here is a quote I found in the bible:
"There are seven things that the Lord hates and cannot tolerate:
A proud look,
a lying tongue,
hands that kill innocent people,
a mind that thinks up wicked plans,
feet that hurry off to do evil,
a witness who tells one lie after another,
and someone who stirs up trouble among friends.
Well that seems to describe GW pretty well.
Here are a few more about being a true christian:
"Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Do things in such a way that everyone can see you are honorable. Do your part to live in peace with everyone, as much as possible."
"Those who control their anger have great understanding; those with a hasty temper will make mistakes."
"Sensible people are careful to stay out of trouble, but stupid people are careless and act too quickly."
"Avoiding a fight is a mark of honor; only fools insist on quarreling."
"Remember to live peaceably with each other. See that no one pays back evil for evil, but always try to do good to each other and to everyone else."
"Violent people deceive their friends and lead them to disaster."
"Don't be jealous of violent people or decide to act as they do."
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God."
This is what the bible says God expects of his people. There seems to be an ongoing theme here with a great emphasis on peace.
No, I don't think George W. Bush is a true Christian.
Hope not.
The truth is that George W. Bush is really a simple man. He was raised in a shelterd environment where he barely made it by his fathers coattails. When Bush became an adult he failed at everything he did. He ran his saudi funded oil company (Arbusto) into the ground. He resorted to alcohol abuse just as many a failed business man does. When people hit rock bottom they mind is easily pliable and will hold on to anything that brings a sense of stability to ones life. Thus Bush found religious dogma and a sense of rightiousness as being saved through Jesus. Unfortunately Bush used his somewhat stabilizing conviction only as a illusion to hide his enormous insecurity as most fundamentalist religionists do. So what we have left is a man who has minor brain damage from 20 years of drug and alcohol abuse, a man who beleives he is sent by god to save the world. The sad part is that Bush is not intelligent enough to understand that he is almost completely controlled by Carl Rove and Dick Cheney in every move he makes. So in reality what we have is a man (George W. Bush) who talks with a southern accent and wears the christain label. This image is all you need for the majority of anti-intellectual midwestern and southern masses to follow. Carl Rove and Dick Cheney know this. ..What John Kerry is going up against is just an image, a shell of a man. ..What remains to be seen is if Americans will elect the image of Bush or the lesser evil Kerry....
George W. Bush does what he was told to do by the behind the scene Powers That Be!
An eye for an eye, a life for a life. It's the American criminal justice system. Render unto Caesar what is his,,, which is court justice.
I thought the whole point of Christianity was being able to improve and change yourself for the better-or is that only everyone except George W. Bush?
Your forgot to mention the satanic rituals he performs in the skull and crossbones society with Kerry. Even if they are just all in good fun like he cliams if i were a Christian I'd be outraged.
By the way this isnt a "conspiricy theory" I saw interviews where both kerry and Bush admited to being in the same secret society when they went to yale and someone snuck in and recorded one of the rituals.
Anyway my answer is "No"
by seon on Wed Mar 09, 05 1:24am
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According to the Bible it's not really up to us to judge that. Only the Lord can judge who is a true Christian & who is not.
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