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COMMENTS:
I know already that some ignorant asshole is going to come in here pointing fingers at anyone other than terrorists for what terrorists are doing. Let me put this to you plainly: I don't give a fuck WHY a terrorist straps a bomb to him/herself and blows up innocent civilians, I just know that it is wrong, and that somehow, when life is not valued by the person doing it, you have to find a way to make others who are considering doing it, to think again and never want to do it.
You are wrong, not all people point fingers at people that aren't terrorists. Look at Ariel Sharon, people always point fingers at him.
hmm, jew terrorist and christian terrorists. Why don't you enlighten everyone and tell us who the last jewish/christian terrorist was who strapped himself up with a bomb and blew up a bus load of civilians.
Who was the last christian/jewish terrorist who hijacked an airplane?
Who was the last jewish/christian terrorist who hijacked a cruise ship and killed some passengers?
Who was the last christian/jewish terrorist who drove a car bomb into a crowded cafe full of civilians?
Who was the last christian/jewish terrorist who bombed a nightclub killing hundreds of civilians?
Who was the last christian/muslim terrorist who kidnapped a civilian and cut his fucking head off?
I'm really really interested in knowing the answers to these particular questions I have asked you, mr fucking anonymous, you chicken shit asshole, why don't you use your real name next time.
As I said, the difference between normal decent human beings, and the trash shit fucks that are islamic radical terrorists is that normal decent people value life, including their own, where as these worthless, doomed to hell pieces of shit who continue to blow themselves up, value no life, including their own. Bury em with the fucking pigs!!!
Anonymous, if you haven't noticed, muslim terrorists already abuse dead bodies of their victims, if by cutting their heads off, burning them, chopping them etc.
Burying a muslim with pig remains, is considered by the muslims as "get out of heaven" card, the same heaven with 72 virgins that they killed themselves for. So, yes, this action is immoral and disrespectful towards the dead's sacredness, but we should open our eyes and see the whole picture. Yes, we can brag about our moral superiority over the body abusing savages, but we can actually stop them, and save lives. It'll work, because ultimately they really believe in that BS, at least untill an Imam or something like that will tell them otherwise. And you don't really have to actually do it, just saying you will and acting like that, will have the same effect. I guess you're lucky for still believing in that, because you'll find out that the more casualities you have, the more willing you'll be to use extreme measures to stop that.
by Yosi on Fri Jun 25, 04 2:59am
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No, they should feed their chopped up remains to live pigs, so they can be shat out later.
Once in US history an episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped. It happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. Pershing was in command of the garrison. There had been numerous Islamic terrorist attacks, so "Black Jack" told his boys to catch the perps and teach them a lesson.
Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to posts, execution style. The US soldiers then brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated with hogs' blood. This would mean that they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist martyrs.
All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies. The lone survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years.
Pointing a gun into the face of Islamic terrorists won't make them flinch. They welcome the chance to die for Allah. Like Gen. Pershing, we must show them that they won't get to Muslim heaven (which they believe has an endless supply of virgins) but instead will die with the hated pigs of the devil.
omg, you are ignorant, comparing impropriety by the catholic church to terrorism. Not only that, but it's CATHOLIC, not CHRISTIAN, don't confuse the two. And terrorism and child molesting are two altogether different topics, you damn ass. I'm sure now that you have made a baseless connection between the two that some other jackasses will run with it, because stupidity breeds quite well.
What happens when someone molests a child is a character defect within the person doing it, that person knows it's wrong, they just can't help themselves. That doesn't make it right. However, that's a far cry from having someone loaded down with explosives going into a crowded sunday school and blowing the shit out of everyone, believing what they are doing is a good thing.
"Not only that, but it's CATHOLIC, not CHRISTIAN, don't confuse the two."
- Exactly. A common mistake on this site.
Just because the wonderful, israel owned CNN doesnt focus on the crimes of christians and jews doesnt mean that the bad things arent happening
what I'm saying here is this: When terrorists don't care about losing their own lives in the process of committing terrorism you have to find other ways to strike fear into their hearts. Yes, it IS necessary
Pig remains are to good for the terrorist scum. I'd suggest burrying them with shit but that would still be to good for them. We should do that thing they did in 1911 that sounds like a good idea but this time leave no survivors and let the media broadcast it haha.
by seon on Sat Jun 26, 04 12:07am
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I might support this plan if it were al-Qaeda, because i know personally that they are a bad "terrorist" group, not because of sept.11 but because they are menaces. I wouldnt support it if it were Palestinians because Palestinians have a better motive.
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and because of 9/11
Al-Qaeda wouldnt be a problem if Israel didnt creat it, I hope you know Bin Laden is a puppet of Ariel Sharon
I hope that the sane people here understand that the ideas of Al Qaeda, which is a "bad terrorist group" according to bigdaddy are very similiar to those of radical and fanatical islamist terrorist groups killing innocent Israelis - like Hamas, which is the Palestinian "muslim brothers" and Islamic Jihad. They mix the "secular" justifications of their struggle, with the same fanatical Islamic ideas, of driving the infidels out by blood and holy wars, using every mean possible, regardless of moral or any other barriers. They use the same secular propeganda, used by the "secular" terror groups, like Fatah and Popular front to justify their actions in front of the world, seeking for support and admiration, but in their mosques, schools, internal propeganda etc., you may think that we're back in the middle ages, and they're seeking for modern Salah'adin to drive the Zionist - Crusader enemy out of their holy land. That's why they don't differ between 1967 lines to whole of Israel's territories, that's why they placed Muftis, Imams, Kadis and other people who hold religious authority at the top of their organizations.
by Yosi on Sat Jun 26, 04 5:05am
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Hamas is connected with al-Qaeda although they arent that close with each other to have same beliefs. Al-Qaeda wants all Christian and I mean Christian countries to leave middle east even though any one can tell you that thats immpossiblie cause it would disrupt international commerce. Hammas is a completly other story. Hammas fights for the right cause but does it the wrong way. The right cause is to get back the some 300 miles of land the palestinians lost in the "six day war". Dont compare the two. Id also like to say that you shouldnt compare al-qaeda with SOME of those who fight US in Iraq, al-qaeda choped the heads off not guerrilas who want the US out. The only reason al-qaeda is in Iraq is "in case" the US loses the war, they can have a safe position that they'll never get. The fighters in Fallujah are against Al-Qaeda cause al-Qaeda wants to control Iraq later on.
For your info: the palestinians would stop now if Israel would stop going deeper into palestine.
Both Hamas and Al Qaeda use fanatical relgious arguments to justify their actions. Religion takes a very important role in their war. You said that Hamas fight for the right cause but in the wrong way. The only right way to fight for what you mentioned as their ultimate goal, is by negotiating and compromising for peace. But the 1967 occupied territories aren't Hamas' ultimate goal. Hamas, unlike Fatah for example, admit openly that they won't stop untill every zionist leaves entire Palestine, meanning destruction of Israel. So when you say that Palestinians will stop now, if Israel stop going deeper, you should know that it would be a tactical halt, for those fanatical groups, meant to regroups and repair the damages Israel caused to them. As it turns out the cease fire after the first Intifada in 1990, and the decade of peace talks, were used by all Palestinian faction to increase their force, resulting in much greater number of casualities in the second Intifada. If you're interested in my view of the current situation:
- Palestinians can't mount a serious terror attack in those conditions (IDF in Palestinian territories, terror leaders are being hunted down etc.)
- Israel should withdraw only when it is clear that the silence will last even without its presence there, and not in the short run, but as a first step in the creation of de - miliatrized independent Palestine. Only a cease fire which will rule out any possibility for armed conflict in the future is acceptable, because the 3rd Intifada will probably be bigger than that one, in case of tactical cease fire. So, what it actually means, is full disarmament of terror groups who aren't linked to the Palestinian leadership (Hamas, Jihad, Popular front...), and partial disarmament of the terror groups connected to the leadership (Fatah, Tanzim...), while changing their leadership, and replace the leaders and commanders (Like Arafat)by people who genuinely want peace, based on 1967 lines. The official organizations should be used for internal law enforcement, and for preventing any rise of other terror groups, who initiate independent struggle against Israel. Do that, and Israel will withdraw and do whatever it can to support the new regime, including evacuation of settlements.
by Yosi on Sat Jun 26, 04 2:07pm
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I do not recall Hamas openly declaring that they would stop at nothing to destroy Israel. I do know that Israel will fall apart soon. If Hamas has said that they would slaughter all jews than they are no different than Al-Qaeda. I still do think Israel breaks many Geneva conventions against Palestine and should be dealt with.
"Look at Ariel Sharon, people always point fingers at him. "
He's hard to miss.Wonder if Israel's got maccas
Well, this one is easy to find out, I found an official Israeli report about Hamas and its goals quoting Hamas' own declared goals from 1988, it's in :
http:// www.fas.org /irp/world /para/ docs/ 880818a .htm
Without the spaces.
I'll try to find the original official Hamas link, it's problematic probably because I'm Israeli, so those sites are blocked, but you can find it yourself.
by Yosi on Sun Jun 27, 04 3:59am
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I'm not talking about link or cooperation, I just say that the ideology is the same, but Al Qaeda acts on the international stage, and Hamas currently concentrates on Israel. So the notice that Al Qaeda is bad terrorism while Hamas is good terrorism is wrong, and was probably done becasue you don't like Israel or the jews.
Now, Hamas unlike Al qaeda, operates from densely populated areas, making it harder to precisionely chop its head off, and the targeted killing cannot be carried out by hundreds of cruise missiles and bunker busters on remote caves, so Israel uses more minor force, because of the possible collateral damage, but sometimes that isn't good enough. Those are mistakes and certainly Israel don't mean to harm innocent civilians who happen to be close to terrorists, but giving up on the fight is not an option, just like ignoring Al Qaeda terror isn't an option.
by Yosi on Mon Jun 28, 04 4:02am
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You are right I dont like Israel and I dont like most jews. But thats not the point. I wouldnt treat or judge anyone byy their religion. And you are wrong. Israel doesnt have concern for civilian life. Ever heard about the massacre of Jenin. Well to tell you thats jutst one of many that no one has discovered. I remember back in 1990 I was 18 years old and in the Yugoslav army. They had a new president by the name of Slobodan Milosevic. He eclared war on Albania, slaughtered thousands said he had concern for human life. Well thats when I became a rebel durin '92-'95. The entire time he was slaughtering tens of thousands of civilian Bosnians he said he had concern for life. And then you had that big cheese asshole Ariel Sharon give him 10 million dollars in munitions to fight "terrorism". Thats when I hated Israel and finally understood what it stands for. It stands for killing a slaughtering as many muslims and non-jews as possible. You many consider me ignorant, I dont care what you think, I know the truth and with hope more people will wake up and find out the truth before it bites them on the ass.
The "Jenin massacare" was the perfect example, of the attempt made by Palestinian propeganda to portray Israel as such state, with policies of ethnical cleansing and genocide, like Serbia. The Palestinians inflated the number of casualities, and the damage to the refugee camp, and the international media cooperated, without checking the facts. That way 25 dead became 500, and "vast destruction of Jenin" turned out to be concentrated destruction of small area in the centre of Jenin. This is the A-Sahaf syndrom, but in the other direction. In a region where human life isn't that important, Israel stands above all its neighbors, and respects the lives, even of those who doesn't respect their own lives. Many of my friends want to study medicine, so now they have to be interviewed to test their moral, and this is the most common question - What if you're the only one in the shift, and 2 people arrive to the hospital - suicide bomber in critical condition, who'll die if don't treated immediately, and one innocent lightly wounded bypasser, who got hurt because of that suicide bomber. If you want to be a doctor in Israel, you should treat the suicide bomber first...
by Yosi on Tue Jun 29, 04 1:08am
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When a suicide bomber blows up he automatically dies. The organs are sent flying out of the back at 500mph. Ive seen this before. And you can say anything you want. You obviously are trying to ignore Israels bad side by flushing it with made up Zionist propoganda. You are pathetic, may god deal with you after life.
You remind me of Croatian dictator Karadic. After the Balkan war he said there was a total civilian death rate of 1000
There were some who didn't die, anyway it reflects the values of our society, and instead of just calling it propeganda, you can verify that, and carry out serious research in that area.
by Yosi on Tue Jun 29, 04 7:25am
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I have lived through exactly what the Palestinians are living through now. Lies about how Islamic militants are hidding weapons in mosques,schools,daycare centers,hospitals. Just so they can blow it up and celebrate the deaths of many. Israel does the same thing just like any other despot has. I have heard about the man and child killed in Israel and how Israel makes a big deal out of two deaths when they thmselves do the same to others. I have my personal research. I dont need to look it up on internet. Because the internet has the truth(what Ive been through)and what Israel wants you to know.(the lie)I never support civilian killing so far. I never did, not even when I was in war. I think that those suicide bombers should find more military targets rather than the next bus stop. But you see the suicide bombers dont see what I see. All they see is and Israeli bulldozer leveliing their house with their parents inside. I honestly cant blame them.
You're a strange little man, jappy.
The person is dead. You're feeding your own vengeance fantasies more than you are hurting the perpetrator. And, liek Bush, you'll just succeed in enraging a whole new crop of people to hate your guts and do extreme things to get even.
Don't perpetuate stupidity.
Not a terrible idea. Anyway we can try to stop terrorism I'm for. However, when terrorists go on suicide missions do they even have remains? I imagine a lot of times, they're blown up into nothing (9/11, Jerusalem cafe, etc..) or at least close to nothing.
"The person is dead"
Yes, they are dead, you are missing the point, Carthexis, the person is dead and does not care about losing his life because he believes that his afterlife will automatically be heaven because he died supporting his religion, a fallacy but he believes it even so. However, if they believe that they will be buried in pig remains, and end up in hell, they will not suicide bomb because their eternity will be cursed. DUH, read the ballot please
According to islam if the person commits a crime such as dieing to kill civilians they automatically go to hell with or without the pork. If the person was good and dies with pork they indeed will go to heaven. You wanna fight terrorism start with Israel.
Do you honestly believe that even if Israel were wiped off the face of the earth, that terrorism would stop?
If the destruction of buildings is so random and has no connection to reality, why are so little structures are being destroyed? Israel can litterally not leave one stone on the other in Palestinian territories, yet the bulldozers roll into action relatively rarely. And it's time we contradict the stupid claim that Israel bulldozes houses when people are inside, that just don't happen, you just like to imagine it that way. Israel does what every country, even democratic do - which is to defend its citinzens.
Israel never used random rocket shooting, there was always a justified terrorist target on the rocket's target. The man and child were the first to be killed by such random shooting of Palestinian rockets towards populated Israeli city (not a settlement, but it wouldn't matter anyway).
If you can't blame the suicide bomber, what about the little soldier in an Israeli nuclear missile silo, who finds out that his family was murdered by Palestinian suicide bomber. Will he be held accountable for his actions? Does his own tragedy justifies the killing of tens of thousands? The difference is, that this same soldier here, will be sent to prison for life, or will be executed, according to miliatry court decision. The Palestinians hail their suicide bombers - by grafiti writings in the streets, naming schools after them etc.
Don't you think there is something messed up there?
by Yosi on Wed Jun 30, 04 3:17am
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Its like this Yosi. Israel does not defend itself against its enemie. All it does is take its anger out on Palestine. Right now I think just about every western european country is hiring mercanaries to support the down fall of Israel. Hammas is not the only terrorist group and Palestine isnt the only country or terretory that wants Israel to collapse. Germany,France,Russia,China. In other words, most superpowers other than US and UK want the down fall of Israel because Israel is good for bussiness with the US/UK. And I myself am not in a position to say that all Isralis should be massacred because I have known a few good Israelis here and there. What I am saying is that something should be done about it. As for al-Qaede. Al-Qaeda is a hired militia. Their job is to "kill for Islam" in other words give islam a bad reputation so that people can hate it a declare war on it. I can tell you that these United States openly supported Al-Qaeda during early 80's when they fought against the Soviets. The same al-Qaeda Israels secretly supports today.
Its like this Yosi. Israel does not defend itself against its enemie. All it does is take its anger out on Palestine. Right now I think just about every western european country is hiring mercanaries to support the down fall of Israel. Hammas is not the only terrorist group and Palestine isnt the only country or terretory that wants Israel to collapse. Germany,France,Russia,China. In other words, most superpowers other than US and UK want the down fall of Israel because Israel is good for bussiness with the US/UK. And I myself am not in a position to say that all Isralis should be massacred because I have known a few good Israelis here and there. What I am saying is that something should be done about it. As for al-Qaede. Al-Qaeda is a hired militia. Their job is to "kill for Islam" in other words give islam a bad reputation so that people can hate it a declare war on it. I can tell you that these United States openly supported Al-Qaeda during early 80's when they fought against the Soviets. The same al-Qaeda Israels secretly supports today.
Its like this Yosi. Israel does not defend itself against its enemies. All it does is take its anger out on Palestine. Right now I think just about every western european country is hiring mercanaries to support the down fall of Israel. Hammas is not the only terrorist group and Palestine isnt the only country or terretory that wants Israel to collapse. Germany,France,Russia,China. In other words, most superpowers other than US and UK want the down fall of Israel because Israel is good for bussiness with the US/UK. And I myself am not in a position to say that all Isralis should be massacred because I have known a few good Israelis here and there. What I am saying is that something should be done about it. As for al-Qaede. Al-Qaeda is a hired militia. Their job is to "kill for Islam" in other words give islam a bad reputation so that people can hate it a declare war on it. I can tell you that these United States openly supported Al-Qaeda during early 80's when they fought against the Soviets. The same al-Qaeda Israels secretly supports today.
Al Qaeda tried more than a year ago to shoot down Israeli jet, carrying 70 passengers, as it took off from Mumbasa airport. After that attempt didn't succeded, the group who shot the 2 rockets drove their jeep packed with explosives, into Israelis' hotel in the city. The other stuff you said are too illogical.
by Yosi on Wed Jun 30, 04 1:53pm
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How sure are they it was al-Qaeda. Remember it was 1 year ago. 1 year ago every small thing that happened in the world could have been blamd on al-Qaeda.
I have just read your "If the destruction of buildings is so random and has no connection to reality, why are so little structures are being destroyed?" comment. Just because the family of an Israeli missile silo worker is killed by a Hammas memeber doesnt mean that he should take it out on a Palestinan school,house,etc... What I am saying is that Hammas wants to destroy Israel because of the Gaza strip that is being deprived of the Palestinians. After that 1990's incident where and Israels killed 30 Palestinians, Hammas and the Palestinian gov't chose not to negotiate anymore. But before that Bill Clinton negitiated a peace treaty between the two, the same peace treaty that was broken when that Israeli killed the 30 Palestinans at prayer.
They were pretty sure it was Al Qaeda. Anyway,
"Just because the family of an Israeli missile silo worker is killed by a Hammas memeber doesnt mean that he should take it out on a Palestinan school, house, etc"
You said on the 29th June, "But you see the suicide bombers dont see what I see. All they see is and Israeli bulldozer leveliing their house with their parents inside. I honestly cant blame them. ", so suppose it does happen, will you hold that soldier responsible, or his own tragedy enables him to revenge by killing anyone in any way possible?
Hamas doesn't want to destroy Israel only because of the Gaza Strip or 1967 occupied territories, if that was the case, Hamas would have supported the peace talks, in which the Palestinians already got whole of Gaza Strip and 97% of 1967 occupied territories, and compensation inside Israel for the other 3%. Hamas want to destroy Israel because it deprived entire Palestine from him, including every piece of ground held by Israel, even before the 1967 occupation, even the territories that were declared as Israel's in the UN partiotion plan, everything. The destruction of Israel means that Hamas will get all that, it's not just a revenge.
"After that 1990's incident where and Israels killed 30 Palestinians, Hammas and the Palestinian gov't chose not to negotiate anymore. But before that Bill Clinton negitiated a peace treaty between the two, the same peace treaty that was broken when that Israeli killed the 30 Palestinans at prayer. "
You should get the correct historical facts there. That massacare was in 1994, the peace talks went on untill 2000. And that massacare was in the middle of a period in which radical factions from both sides tried to stop the peace talks by terror, but the difference there was, that Israel acted and restrained and jailed the group members of Goldstein, and in fact, that was the last jewish terror act against Palestinians, but it was not ordered or supported by the government in any way. In that peroid, the Palestinian authority didn't supported terror perpitrated by Hamas and others against Israel, but it didn't act untill 1996, after over 100 Israelis were killed by suicide bombings. In the current Intifada, the Palestinian leadership supported and participated in terror, so they can't claim it's just radical groups that they can't control, while Israel stopped any attempts of creating radical independent jewish terror group in that peroid, and in the last 4 years, only 1 Palestinian was killed, if I'm not mistaken, by independent jewish terrorists, thanks to Israel's actions against those groups.
by Yosi on Thu Jul 01, 04 1:55am
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"After that 1990's incident where and Israels killed 30 Palestinians, Hammas and the Palestinian gov't chose not to negotiate anymore. But before that Bill Clinton negitiated a peace treaty between the two, the same peace treaty that was broken when that Israeli killed the 30 Palestinans at prayer. "
You should get the correct historical facts there. That massacare was in 1994, the peace talks went on untill 2000.
When I said that it happened in the 1990's I meant the decade of 1990. Tell me 1 thing. How do you expect the people of palestine to fight Hammas?
A.Palestine is poor. They have no police system.
B.They will never trust Israel to operate in Palestine.
"How do you expect the people of palestine to fight Hammas?"
As I said, the 1996 terror wave by Hamas, was stopped by the Palestinian authority organizations and police, who arrested the Hamas terrorists. But they were all released at the beginning of the 2000 Intifada. You know that according to 1993 Oslo agreement, Israel gave the Palestinian security forces 40000 AK - 47 rifles, they should start use them against Hamas, rather than against Israel.
Now, the Palestinians don't have police system, because the previous one, was used to hurt Israel rather than help defending it, so after one and a half years, Israel destroyed the Palestinian law enforcement infrastructure, but it offered to rebuild it, only when the Palestinian leadership will change, and serious people, who'll use the security forces against the terrorists, like Muhammad Dahlan rather than to support them, like Yasser Arafat. And if they won't trust Israel, and Israel won't trust them - peace is not possible, but we all like to think that it is, so lets start acting that way. Israel don't really trust that Dahlan, but it's willing to give him another chance.
by Yosi on Sun Jul 04, 04 10:56am
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Why should Israel be giving Palestine another chance? It is Palestine who should be offering. Israel screwed up. This argument gets us no where. You believe what you say or you want to believe it, and i believe what i say. We can agree on 1 thing, that is that we both want peace in that area. ?Unless you dont. If you want to know a little more of what I think go to(get rid of the spaces)-http ://www.third worldtraveler .com/Zepezauer_ Mark/Palestine _Boomerang .html
I think that the current situation is much worse for the Palestinians than for the Israelis, therefore, they are those who supposed to want to change that, even more than we do, and that's why it's up to us to give them another chance.
by Yosi on Mon Jul 05, 04 2:10am
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As you probably expect, I say it's biased propeganda, mixing lies, exagerations, like happens today - like the 500 Jenin massacared myth, and what differs it from today, is that you don't hear about what the Arab side did, before the jews acted, so you hear only about the responses, which are presented as agression, and of course, is not.
So, just short comments on that article, according to their sequence in that article:
by Yosi on Mon Jul 05, 04 3:31am
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And don't forget: doubt anything, even if it's Arab interpe rtations.
- Despite what the zionist leaders wrote discreately, Arabs in 1948 Israel territories are enjoying full democratic rights. and their economic situation is much better than the rest of their brothes...
- The British has left a mess, but: In Mcmahon Hussein letters, promising independent pan Arab state in the mideast, it says specifically that the Arab state won't include area, where the population is not Arab - like western Palestine and parts of Lebanon. The British never promised the Arabs independent state on western Palestine, untill 1939 3rd white book, which was British surrender to Arab terror, during the 1936-1939 Great Arab rebellion.
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by Yosi on Mon Jul 05, 04 3:39am
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- The revisionist movement was the first to understand that the Arabs won't cooperate with the Zionist movement, and there can be no peace between the Zionists and the Arabs, unless the Arabs would know that they can't drive us out by force. Therefore, use of force now, will ensure the zionist goals and peace later, that was around the time the Arabs started use violence against the jews - 1920, 1921 uprising, ended up in dozens of dead jews, and no jewish response to the violence. Quoting Ben Gurion about the partition, is one sided - because the Arabs hadn't accepted any partition plan, as well, but history proves that Israel ultimately agreed to such partition plan - the already buried peace talks, that were stoppped by yet another Palestinian Intifada.
- The tensions between jews and Arabs after the Zionist arrivals only prove that the Palestinians aren't ready to share any piece of their land with anyone else, and that's why they turned to violence, The old Jewish community had no national aspirations in Palestine, so they didn't bothered the Arabs. While the zionist accepted right from the beginning, a cut of about 80% of their historical homeland - east of the river Jordan. Again, the article fails to mention zionist organizations who bought lands, and employed Arab workers, and thus developed the region, to the benefit of both nations. The other group of Zionists had socialistic ideas, according to them - the inhabitants of each Kibbutz should work their own soil, and not exploit others, like happenned for example, in cotton fields in southern America, and the South Africa farms, and all this according to ideas about recreating the jewish people and the return to agriculture, after very little jews did that in the diaspora. "Tension began to rise, leading to uprisings and violent incidents in the 1920s"
- very clean language to say that Arab slaughtered jews by dozens and later by hundreds, just becasue they were jews. For example, the Jewish Hebron community - weren't Zionist and lived peacefully with the Arabs for centuries, untill one day in 1929, 58 of them were slaughtered by Arab mob. They refused to be protected from the Arabs by the Hagana, and of course the British didn't intervined, ending up in massacare and destruction of centuries of peace, without them doing anything wrong, except being jews. "and general strikes by Arabs in 1933 and '36, brutally suppressed by the British." - another clean language for total loss of all barriers and all out terror assault both against the British and the jews in Palestine, called the Great Arab rebellion of 1936-1939. Jews weren't allowed to protect themselves, while the British didn't helped defending the jewish villages and cities, they just really crushed the rebellion brutally, but ensured that that kind of terror qwave won't ever repeat, by surrendering to every Arab demand, and neglecting all their obligations toward the Zionist movement, resulting in soem radical jewish groups terror, but again, that was only a response to the Arab terror success. "Britain eventually promised the irate Palestinians to place limits on immigration, and in 1940 limits were placed on land purchases by foreigners in Arab areas. But these restrictions were widely ignored, and vast amounts of Arab land had been illegally purchased by the time the British pulled out." Yeah, that ignores something pretty critical that happened becasue of the British white book, which discriminated jews by not allowing them to immigrate freely and purchase lands in Palestine. (Arabs from the mideast could freely immigrate to Palestine and purchase lands, like Yasser Arafat who immigrated to Palestine from Egypt in that time). And all that Arab rebellion, happened, if you remember because of "Jewish immigration began to increase". I would call it the escape of jews from Hitler. First in the 1930's, thousands of German jews fleeing Hitler laws and police and state terror, when all the rest of the world closed its gates to those refugees, stood Palestine, their only true homeland where they won't be foreigners, like they were in Germany, and thus living or dying accoring to the local government or population will. But just when WWII broke out and millions of other jews were controlled by Hitler - in Poland and the rest of europe, the gates of Palestine were closed too, thanks to the "rising tensions" between Jews and Arabs in Palestine. So, indirectly, the Arabs and the British prevented rescue of millions of Jews from europe's ovens.
by Yosi on Mon Jul 05, 04 4:10am
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Actually during WWII, the jewish immigration to Britain was in its low for decade, because of the British surrender to Arab terror, and that lead to Jewish attempts, sometimes through terror, to reverse the situation and make the British follow their previous policies in the mideast. The IZL and every other jewish group, except the Stern group, never acted against Palestinians on their own initiative, it was always response and reprisal. Mnay times a group of Arab militants left their villages and terrorized jews in their villages, and that was routinal thing, so at first the Jewish defense groups - like the Haganah, only defended the jewish settlements, but when they saw, that the British won't fight that phenomenon, but will fight against the jewish defenders, by confiscating their weapons etc., the British didn't want to get in to another Arab great revolt, and to lose the Arab world as their ally against Hitler, and they couldn't spare forces to surpress Arab rebellions and fight Hitler, so they adopted more comfortable, but less just anti Zionist policy. Anyway, they didn't allow the jews to organize to defend themselves, and they didn't defend the jews themselves, so the jews illegally set up their defense organizations, which are portrayed here as terror groups, but they only adopted agressive attitude, which didn't accept the current events, that the jews wait for the Arabs to come out of their villages and attack jews, in order to stop hem, so the jews now entered the Arab villages in an attempt to stop the mob there, and make them realise that they shouldn't continue with their agression, because the jews won't just sit back and let it happen. So the IZL, which was more radical than the Haganah, didn't always get only the terrorists, but the vast exageration about hundreds of killed in busses and marketplaces, are similiar to the Jenin massacare myht. Anyway, throughout every peroid before 1948, the number of jewish casualities was larger than the Arab casualities, as a result of much more aggressive Arab unorganized terror. The bombing of King David hotel, was after the IZL and the Haganah decided to fight the British as well, becasue even after the holocaust was known to all, they still insisted that the jews won't have a state, and live as minorities according to the mercy of others. Unlike the Arabs, the IZL and jewish "terror groups" which were merely illegal but necessary defense organizations, didn't targeted civilians, but in that bombing, the telephone warnings came too late - minutes before the explosion - a mistake, but failed to be mentioned there. A more serious attempt to collaborate with the Nazis in order to get rid of the Brits, was Arab ones - and were performed by official leaders, not outskirt fanaticals like Stern, like Haj Amin El Huisseini, who even met and praised Hitler for his final solution, and official Iraqi leaders etc. The official jewish settlement supported the Brtitsh, and about half of the mentioned 60000 militants, were jews who enlisted to the British army, in order to fight Hitler, and later rejoined the struggle for Israel.
- The terrorism worked, but that was the second time, after it worked for the Arabs in 1939, and evn in the previous white books, who graduallly retreated from every British obligation to the Zionists - 1922, 1930.
by Yosi on Mon Jul 05, 04 4:50am
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This article fails to mention, the American state department efforts to cancel the partition plan, after pressure from the Arab world, the French supported it because they wanted the British to lose their hold in the mideast, after the French lost Lebanon and Syria ater WWII, the British hoped actually to regain mandate over Palestine, and thus enable far greater means to crush the jewish uprising. The soviet union wanted the partition plan to get the Brits out of the middle east, becasue of their communist expansio ideas, etc. so almost every nation had clear interest in the partition plan, besides the Arab countries. And did you asked yourselves what is the meaning of rejecting the partition plan? Don't you think that it's only meanning is that Israel shouldn't exist at all?
- Jews were only a third, and owned 10% of the land because of the British discriminating restrictions, while there were vast areas, that nobody owned - Sinai, which is about 50% of Palestine, and it was unsettled desert, untill the Zionist started settling it, and creating Jewish majority in most of Sinai, and thus, Israel recieved most of Simai. The Jewish territories had jewish majority of about 65-35%, so the self determination there is implicated correctly.
by Yosi on Mon Jul 05, 04 5:02am
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In Israel now days. Non-Jews are second class citizens who are below Jews. They have no voting rights nor healthcare in some cases.
I see what you are saying, you are trying to protect your homeland I cant blame you. But remember even you a civilian will never know politics to its fullest nor will you ever know what the military does in palestine. So whenever you hear on the news "Israeli forces move into palestine, kill 40 terrorists" dont always believe it. When I was in Yugoslavia 15 years ago, I though I believed their lie, then I was sent to Kosovo as a soldier. I saw piles of dead bodies and my own soldiers framing the 5 year olds with hand grenades. Remember, "doubt it all"
lies, lies, at the most they are weak population, but many countries deal with those problems, like the Afro Americans, muslim community in europe etc. They can vote, recieve social security payment, appeal to court etc. They recieve muslim education, funded by the state, and even their mosques and religious services are funded by Israel.
by Yosi on Mon Jul 05, 04 12:32pm
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I can believe my media, because it always reports about both the Palestinian sources and the IDF version. The IDF doesn't try to cover up mistakes, but unlike the Palestinians, it verifies its data before releasing it, and when it is unclear, it says so, not assuming stuff that will serve its goal. In the Jenin massacare, where every channel switched the casuality rate almost every minute according to faulsified and unchecked data from the Palestinian sources, we got all the other data, and the results of the IDF investigation, which could confirm only 25 dead, which later turned out to be exact, and even the BBC apologized for inflating the numbers while ignoring the IDF data. Same goes to the rocket fired on protestors in Rafah, we heard it all, that it was the helicopter which fired 4 rockets, killing 22, according to Palestinian sources, and gradually the casualities rate decreased to what the IDF reported initially - and even lower, and the results of the full investigation were presented, proving that the helicopter shot at distant field, for deterance, and it was one tank shell, which unexpectedly passed through empty building, that caused the damage, tragedy, but a mistake.
And don't think that soldiers here are banned from talking to the press about what they really see that happens on the ground. Last month we had some interviews with soldiers who lead to both media and military investigations about isolated abusing cases etc., but random shooting to kill is still very rare, but any soldier can testify about that, and that proves that the situation here is nothing like Yoguslavia etc.
by Yosi on Mon Jul 05, 04 1:47pm
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The situation is the same except at one point Yugoslavia admitted that they wanted to clean the land of muslim Bosnians. That media had both sides just no one choose to believe the right side. The soldiers of Israel are allowed to talk although when general tells soldier no to tell the truth, its different. I have told you what I know is true and you try to deny it. This gets me nowhere so just give up.
jappy, you are a NASTY-minded person. When I take over the Cosmos, I'm HIRING you as my Chief Minister of Justice.
yes because they are terrorists and deserve it.
Islam is a fucking scourge on the face of the Earth that has to be eradicated. There are some good muslims and they must be allowed the opportunity to convert or die. The crusades were in response to the filth invading Europe. These fuckwads say "we invented the nuumber zero" and then try to kill everyone on Earth so there are zero Christians, Jews etc. There is no islamofacist country that allows the free practice of other religions. Religion of peace my ass. They are cowards yelling Allah Akbar as they chop someone's head off. They, Arab and/or Muslims, have never won a war and apart from zero they have never contributed anything to society. Fuck them all, KILL THEM ALL.
Yosi, noone cares what you think. And most hope you die just like your subhuman raghead brethern.
confidentconservativ is either a zionazi himself or is brainwashed by the zionazi controlled media.
However, I am against islamic radicalism as weel.
You know some of these comments really suck. However, I believe it should become an international policy to bury terrorists with pig remains, as long as the pigs aren't hurt to do so (you know, no additional slaughter of innocent beingS!!)
I don't understand this, i think things should be what they are regradless of what has happened people are not going to change their ways or their religion just because you don't like it or what they are doing, because the only way that will happen is if they have a change of heart.So until then just FACE IT!
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